I purchased the domain name, but the website won't be up for a week or two. My shop's site is in transition from one hosting to another due to my shop getting a whole new site, so that should take a day according to my web guy. Dave
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kevin Member
Posts: 2722 From: Elk Grove, CA USA Registered: Jan 2000
I cannot get enough of your words. My mind begins to swim in ectacy. Now, any thought of something really extreme?, a BMW engined Fiero! Be the first, you obvioulsy have the skills!
Cordially, Kevin
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hookdonspeed Member
Posts: 7980 From: baltimore, md Registered: May 2008
Good to hear someone in the area will be doing this type of stuff! Maybe sometime when I'm home in PA for a long weekend or something, I'll drive by if it's alright with you.
Keep up the sweet work, oh and don't forget pictures pictures pictures
Matt
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bmwguru Member
Posts: 4692 From: Howell, NJ USA Registered: Sep 2006
Anyone is welcome to stop by as long as we are at the shop. I'm having a Tech Day on April 25th for the Garden State Fieros at the shop. The shop has been a bit messy, though. It is all the road salt that the customer's cars bring in. I wanted to give a sneak peak on the harness. I will post up detailed pics soon. Basically, I removed the pins from the ecm. Cut the wires to the desired length. Then put new pins (or ecm terminals) and reinstalled them into the connector for the ecm. I also wasn't to fond of how close the vss connector is to the exhaust. I see that causing issues in the future, so I added a heat sleeve to that section of the harness.
Here is a pic of the "Haus".
(yes, that is a 1973 VW Thing in our shop. A restoration project we are working on)
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Apr 9th, 2009
bmwguru Member
Posts: 4692 From: Howell, NJ USA Registered: Sep 2006
I just wanted to update this thread. Here is a "near completion" pic. The wiring harness was done a little differently than the common place method I have seen here. I'm not saying that the other methods of cutting, changing the length, and resoldering are bad, but personally, I'd prefer a complete wire. To do this, I ran the ends of the wires to the components. Then I pulled the excess to the ecm. At that point, I added all the loom, Fiero bulkhead connector and cut the wires to the proper length. (If longer wires were needed, I replaced the single wire end to end using the matching factory color to aid in future wiring diagnosis). The new terminal pins were installed making a factory connection. This is the only way I will do my harnesses. I did solder a few wires at the C500, but I did my best to keep it to a minimum. Here are some pics. I'll post up pics of the ecm install and the wiring later. Dave
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TommyT913 Member
Posts: 93 From: Howell, New Jersey USA Registered: Oct 2007
It's really good to see that you're finally doing this. Seeing this thread has prompted me to put my Sierra RS Cosworth up for sale in order to acquire another Fiero. I'm actually thinking about dropping by the shop on Friday to see your progress.
Tommy
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Apr 10th, 2009
Dennis LaGrua Member
Posts: 15442 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
That's a clean and neat looking swap and I thought that mine was clean!!! I agree quality harnesses are made using one piece wires. If you believe that your harnesses are different I'm a member of this club as well. My setup uses the Grand Prix fuse box and power center so there are many ways to construct a working harness. Now that you are no longer a 3800 swap virgin ; this kind of work is sure to attract much of the NE crowd that wants a turn key swap. I've read that the supercharged version of the 3800 was only sold on 1% of the vehicles that came with those engines. As such, the supply is probably limited but there are still many out there. What are you doing for the tune? If you don't have HP Tuners VCM suite as yet , I can run you through the program on my laptop at the open house. I would also suggest taking a look at the LS4 if the supply of 3800SC engines starts to dry up or if someone wants a FWD V8. Its a more difficult swap but anyone who has a Fiero with a Volkswagen engine in it; it should be a cake walk.
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
I wanted to do a "base line" swap....a typical everyday swap that you would most likely see. I do have plans to swap out to a X-P or NIC camshaft, heads, bigger throttle body etc. I want the swaps I will be doing for the public to be the highest quality. My VR6 swap and this 3800s/c swap is in my opinion a clean, reliable, high quality swap. Dave
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bmwguru Member
Posts: 4692 From: Howell, NJ USA Registered: Sep 2006
That's a clean and neat looking swap and I thought that mine was clean!!! I agree quality harnesses are made using one piece wires. If you believe that your harnesses are different I'm a member of this club as well. My setup uses the Grand Prix fuse box and power center so there are many ways to construct a working harness. Now that you are no longer a 3800 swap virgin ; this kind of work is sure to attract much of the NE crowd that wants a turn key swap. I've read that the supercharged version of the 3800 was only sold on 1% of the vehicles that came with those engines. As such, the supply is probably limited but there are still many out there. What are you doing for the tune? If you don't have HP Tuners VCM suite as yet , I can run you through the program on my laptop at the open house. I would also suggest taking a look at the LS4 if the supply of 3800SC engines starts to dry up or if someone wants a FWD V8. Its a more difficult swap but anyone who has a Fiero with a Volkswagen engine in it; it should be a cake walk.
Dennis, Thanks for the kind words. I am interested in seeing the HP tuners software. The people that know me, know that I'll do just about anything for $$$. I'll try a LS4, TDI, or anything unique. I have the time, tools and creativity. Dave
Is it possible to do it without the breather? CA emissions make breathers a big no-no.
Its a bad idea in any state to use a breather. With a stock throttle body, a breather significantly retracts from oiling performance and high vacuum maf sensor accuracy. For people doing northstar swaps that are too lazy to make the proper fresh air draw, a METERED breather can be used, but idle issues are common, and oiling windage reduction is not as effective.
From my research for the 3800s/c swap, I've read that if a s/c overdrive pulley is used, it is a good idea to use a crankcase breather. I know with the German cars, when we add superchargers, we need to reroute the crankcase breather system. But then again, when I remove the oil cap from a running German car, it will idle rough. An American and Asian car will not do that. The reason is the crankcase breather system design. German cars don't have a pcv valve. Personally, I like the look of the breather. There are a few things I would suggest to change on my next swap, but it will be the owner of the car that will decide what they want the swap to look like. I'm planning on itemizing the parts list this weekend to come up with a set price. Dave
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Dennis LaGrua Member
Posts: 15442 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
And dennis, about 35% of all 3800s put into cars that had the option of L36 or L67, were L67's.
Hmmm. Our figures are so far apart that I'll do some additional research on this. I find it hard to believe that one out of every three 3800's was supercharged. As far as I know the supercharged engine was only an option on Grand Prixs, Bonnevilles, Park Avenues and Impalas. Anyone have the production figures?
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
the "rough idle" is relative, the simple fact is you are letting air into the motor that the MAF is not seeing.. although it is just a small amount, and the o2 sensor can usually compensate quickly for it.
Oil windage on the other hand, is not fixed by the o2 sensor.
I have no plans to race this car....or push it to the redline a lot. It is going to be my daily driver. As for oil windage, the oil pan gasket looks to me to be a windage tray as well as the gasket. Dave
ps...sorry about that, I didn't see that my wife was signed in on my laptop when I posted
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aconesa Member
Posts: 374 From: Trenton, New Jersey, USA Registered: Jun 2005
As a recipient of Dave's automotive talent, I feel it is necessary to share my experience and thoughts about his work. Dave and his team recently performed a complete tear-down and rebuild of the front and rear suspension on my 1986 SE in addition to an upgrade from OEM cradle mounts to solid ones.
From the beginning of the project, Dave was easy to communicate with and flexible with a drop-off time.
Once his shop had the car, it was completed in a very reasonable time frame and pickup was also very flexible. He took the time to show me what was done and also solved a few problems that came up at the time.
I am hoping that i will be ready for a 3800 SC swap sometime next year and at that time the car will be back in Dave's hands.
I have been dealing with Dave for mostly two years now through the Garden State Fiero Club. From the beginning he has also shown drive and urgency to complete a task on time and with 100% results. This man takes failure personally. From reading many of his postings, you can agree that he does not like failure.
I have been one of the few luck ones to have a ride in the VR6 powered Fiero early on, and unexpectedly I was speechless. That car magically put a huge grin on my face. :-)) It was hard to describe the rush I got from the ride. Dave truly mastered the VR6 swap.
Abe
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Apr 12th, 2009
bmwguru Member
Posts: 4692 From: Howell, NJ USA Registered: Sep 2006
Abe, Thanks for the kind words. I give 110% to my work because I need to know that it is perfect. When I opened my shop in 2002, I told myself that every car I repaired would be seen and judged by my competitors. A few years of that will make you a perfectionist. Anyway, I spent this weekend making the Haus website and should have it online by tomorrow or Tuesday. Dave
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Apr 13th, 2009
bmwguru Member
Posts: 4692 From: Howell, NJ USA Registered: Sep 2006
I've seen Daves work and it's top notch. I would not hessitate to recommend him for an engine swap. Dave is a proficient mechanic and one who works with honesty and integrity. It is good that the NE now has a Fiero shop capable of doing custom work and we wish him luck in this new venture. I believe that the 3800 swap that he just did will be popular but the Volkswagon engine swap on his very own Fiero may remain the one an only oddity. Just tell Dave what you want and I'm certain that he will consider it and do the job correctly and in a timely manner. As for the name all I can say is Achtung!!!
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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kwagner Member
Posts: 4258 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Apr 2005
I wanted to go more into detail about the wiring. Not trying to beat a dead horse, but I just can't justify cutting and splicing wires, changing the color of the wires (I keep all the wires the original colors to help in future diagnostic issues). Here we brought all the excess back to the computer.
Piece by piece, Joey sorted all the wires out so that the wires near the top of the connector would not cross with the bottom. She has patience!
Removed each wire from the connector and shortened the wire and added a new terminal end to the wire
We even used a new OBDII connector and pins. We did not cut one out of the donor car...especially when the connector was $10.00
Finished product...
I have to hand it to Joey who spent two days situating the wires, double checking the pins, making sure the wiring was perfectly loomed and cut to exact length and making my job easier. The ecm was mounted in a fixed location without modding the rear glovebox or door. Also, we ran it through the drive cycles and no check engine light or codes. Dave
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Nice work, both of you! It's that attention to detail that really separates the backyard jobs from the professionals. Outstanding work.
I'd go blind, and insane going through all that wiring.
I actually found going through the wiring to be relaxing. Once Dave told me what he wanted the wiring to look like, I took it one step further. Dave was telling me it looks fine, but I wasn't happy with it until it was perfect.... or at least as perfect as I could get it. That's what ya get for letting a girl work on your car!!
I ready to take on another wiring job whenever someone is ready to volunteer to be our first victim....
Joey
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fieroguru Member
Posts: 12278 From: Champaign, IL Registered: Aug 2003
I like it when people focus on making the wiring tidy and organized.... this is an area that most people choose not to focus on. It goes a long way in making the swap a dependable daily driver and greatly lessens the chances for wiring issues/gremlins.
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Apr 19th, 2009
bmwguru Member
Posts: 4692 From: Howell, NJ USA Registered: Sep 2006
Thanks for the compliments. One of my goals with my cars is to be able to obtain very high mileage and also be able to drive across the country at a moments notice (my wife has done that a few times in the past). Rumor has it that this summer the VR6 Fiero will be making its way across the country on a long road trip. Dave
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Dennis LaGrua Member
Posts: 15442 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
Thanks for the compliments. Rumor has it that this summer the VR6 Fiero will be making its way across the country on a long road trip. Dave
Heck I can't go away for more than an overnight trip in my Fiero. My wife has a habit of taking 10 pieces of luggage for an overnight trip and when I tell her that we only have room for one small wheeled carry on, she still brings another soft carry bag that she stuffs in the front. She says I need several changes as you never know what the weather will be like or what occasion I will need to dress for. Its a losing battle. No Fieros on more than two overnights and you want to go cross country???? You are a brave man but since you are now a swap shop perhaps you can develop a bigger front trunk insert made especially for women who like to travel. However several years ago in an old FOCOA magazine there was a story about a 71 yr old woman who drove solo going cross country in a 2M4. I guess that its possible but she may have used the passenger side for luggage space.
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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Originally posted by bmwguru: Rumor has it that this summer the VR6 Fiero will be making its way across the country on a long road trip. Dave
Let me know if that trip crosses, Monterey, CA, San Francisco, CA, or anywhere near Cali. Maybe you can even time it around WestFest, or one of our (West) Coast runs.