I'm in Germany right now and I'm sure I can get them here....
The part number apprears in the PDF catalog link that Fie Ro posted.
Be sure and get some prices and make some good connections for us to buy from them. I found the part numbers but have no luck with anyone having them in stock yet in the U.S.
I assume you're back in Dusseldorf for awhile? Sure wish I was there in the summer. Seems like I only ever get over there in winter. Have a few beers at Himmel & Ahd for me!
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Jul 18th, 2010
yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
One complete set (without the design rings) would come to 338.40 Euro or about $425. If I brought back one set, would you make a prototype?
PS: I've already been to Himmel&Aehnd a few times...!
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Be sure and get some prices and make some good connections for us to buy from them. I found the part numbers but have no luck with anyone having them in stock yet in the U.S.
I assume you're back in Dusseldorf for awhile? Sure wish I was there in the summer. Seems like I only ever get over there in winter. Have a few beers at Himmel & Ahd for me!
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One complete set (without the design rings) would come to 338.40 Euro or about $425. If I brought back one set, would you make a prototype?
PS: I've already been to Himmel&Aehnd a few times...!
Yum!..Haxe and beers at H & A...maybe I need to fly over for a long weekend!
The lights?...Sehr teuer aber sehr schön... It so happens that I have a spare set of GT taillights with fairly good lenses on them. Perhaps we need to think serious about this?
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
damn! I just started making a set of these out of Ebay parts....it'd cost about 10x as much to buy a complete set....but it'd be faster...probably better too. but then i wouldn't have a 1 off part, but.... I'll be watching this one....
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
I'm not sure why but I feel the above lights don't really fit the fiero design .... they stand out like a sore thumb and look like Johnny 5's eyes...anyway its my opinion... I don't want to insult anyone ... just my 2 cents Danyel
Ah, the Wiesmann GT. AWESOME! BMW underprinnings and engines and a body and interior to die for!
Thanks for the photoshop. However, I would not use this color combination in the lights. I will use the red LED rings (not the clear ones) and the clear center lights for blinkers (outer) and backup lights (inner).
I'm thinking about painting the ribbed OEM inserts black and cutting round openings for the Hella lights. That would provide some "structure" to the area behind the clear plastic OEM cover.
Can someone try their hand at a photoshop of that? I couldn't make it work...
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Messin around with photoshop I'm thinking there is some potential here.
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Posts: 3735 From: Soest, The Netherlands Registered: Sep 2001
Reusing the stock inner housing is one way but it may sit too close at the outer lense, making the setup look rather flat ...I found a few PS tryouts I did in 2006 I think the idea was to use a 355 style tailpanel to be cut to become the inner panel in the stock housing..
you could play with the available depth in the housing, especially with these shallow Hella ledrings... You can see everything through a clear outer lense..
Well, I wasn't going to disclose this until the molds were done and we had a few sample parts completed and the test fitting done on my car, but since a few folks already know about what I'm doing and the photoshops are obviously heading the way they are, I'll go ahead and leak the news now.
I have taken a Kahines Euro taillight panel and chopped it up. Here's a photoshop showing the concept of one of the 2 pieces we ended up with:
From these 2 parts we modified them more to reduce them in size and change the shape a little so that they will replace the red and amber insert part behind the stock GT taillight clear lens. The idea is that you simply remove the OEM red and amber insert and replace it with these units and reinstall the clear outer lens. The rear housing / reflectors might need to be modified by cutting some of it away with a Dremel, but the stock tabs for the mounting screws will remain intact as well as enough of the supporting structure of the housing to keep it plenty strong enough. The fiberglass molds for these should be done sometime this next week hopefully. They are about 2/3 finished now, unless we have to make some changes...which seems to always happen.
Initially, the inserts will be made to use these 82' Corvette LED lights sold on Ebay:
Obviously, I'll be able to revise the inserts to accept almost any light that will fit in the space, including the Hella "ring" lights which are about 20mm smaller than the Corvette lights
I'm trying to keep this as affordable for anyone that might want them as I can, and that's why we are making them for the LED Vette lights initially. The complete set of the 8 Hella lights is nearly $700 here in the U.S., whereas the LED Vette lights are less than 25% of that price on Ebay.
This one of Fie Ro's photoshops is closest to what the inserts will look like:
I have the round lights moved a little further outboard on both sides than the above photoshop images show, leaving room for a possible small round backup light inboard on both sides, but the inserts could also be cut a little shorter to leave the stock GT backup lights in place also. (Another of my poor photoshops ) In the image above I have tinkered around with adding 2.50" diameter reflectors to the cover the 6 center LEDs of the Vette lights to make them look similar to the Hella "ring" LED lights. (The reflectors are available in red, amber and clear, so there are a lot of variations that could be done this way) We have also toyed around with the idea of using the small rectangular driving lights for backup lights like Al Lindsey does for his setup he sells, but nobody has really liked the "kludged" look of this so far. I'm still looking for a suitable small backup light to add into the insert. (Bad image due to my poor photoshop skills: ) The same rectangular backup lights can also be mounted in place of the reflectors in the bumper like Al Lindsey has them with his setup. Lot's of choices to make...
I hope to have the first couple of fiberglass insert sets done in the next 2-3 weeks and one set installed on my GT to show what they actually look like. If all goes well, I'll be offering them for sale very soon, but we have not arrived at a price yet. They will be cheaper than the full Kahines panel. If there is enough interest to justify doing so, we will make another set of molds with the inserts specifically modified to use the Hella taillights.
Maybe also just a "blank" set with no holes to allow folks to put in whatever lights they want??
Comments welcome.
Randy ------------------
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Posts: 8289 From: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jun 2003
Those are actually $99.99 for TWO lights, so a set of 4 is obviously $200.
I should also mention that the LED Corvette lights are also available with a clear lens rather than the red. Both are available in sets of 4 for $130 on Ebay.
Having lots of choices for this is a *good* thing. It allows anyone to have their own unique setup if they want. It's making me think more and more about the "blank" inserts....
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Originally posted by randye: Well, I wasn't going to disclose this until the molds were done and we had a few sample parts completed and the test fitting done on my car, but since a few folks already know about what I'm doing and the photoshops are obviously heading the way they are, I'll go ahead and leak the news now.
Lol, it wasnt me, I dont know anything about your project, I just remembered I did some photoshops once and posted them...! Anyway this is a cool project, it will look great: stock Fiero outer shape, updated lights. Good luck !
Lol, it wasnt me, I dont know anything about your project, I just remembered I did some photoshops once and posted them...! Anyway this is a cool project, it will look great: stock Fiero outer shape, updated lights. Good luck !
I know it wasn't you , but leave it to the Germans and Dutch to be on top of the "Euro Look" Probably my German and Swedish heritage as well.....
I'm very anxious to get the insert molds done as soon as possible. I think there are a lot of variations that can be done with this, plus the stock GT outer lenses just fit MUCH better to the car. This should offer the best in terms of an updated look and proper fit.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
Having lots of choices for this is a *good* thing. It allows anyone to have their own unique setup if they want. It's making me think more and more about the "blank" inserts....
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Posts: 2023 From: College Park, MD Registered: Mar 2006
Sweet! I've had this idea in my head for many years now. There is at least one who did a custom set like these on his GT, I'd have to search for the pics.
Depending on lots of things (heh), I'll bite. I don't want LED taillights though, so if I can find a set of great-condition or replacement stock 'vette lights, it would be perfect for me. I'm all for doing something about the backup lights also, but none of the ideas posted above peak my interest, personally. I was thinking about tinting the stock section a bit to make them less obvious, then installing brighter bulbs or LED's.
I just called my fiberglass guru and told him to plan on a set of molds for "blanks" also. Those who want them will have to figure out their own way to mount whatever lights they use.
We also finalized the design for both styles.. The inserts will be long enough toward the centerline to remove the entire red and amber OEM insert, *including* the stock backup light lens. This way the inserts can be cut shorter by the customer to use the stock backup lights if they wish, or left as-is and put in whatever backup light there you want, (or nothing). To use the stock backup light lens it simply has to be cut in a straight line along one of the raised "ribs" from the rest of the OEM inner lens and installed along with the insert. We are also recessing the mounting flange for the Corvette lights a little deeper so that the face of the lights is not raised above the surface of the insert.
ALLTURBO, The original 82' Corvette incandescent lights will fit the same mounting flange as the LED replacements, so you should have no problem. With the clear OEM outer lens removed during the conversion you can simply spray the backside of it with VHT "Nightshades" tint as dark as you wish.
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Aug 4th, 2010
yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
I was browsing through my old Fiero photo files and ran across this pic:
This appears to be a "one-off" that somebody did, and other than spacing the lights out much wider and deleting the OEM backup lights, this is similar to what I'm doing, without the rubber gaskets around the lights... It looks like the "insert" on this mod is flat instead of contoured like mine are but it still looks good.
Even though the inserts I'm making aren't a "new" idea totally, they haven't ever been made for sale to my knowledge.
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Corvette LED taillights lit up. (no center reflectors on the light lenses)
Well apparently there aren't any replacement standard 'vette lights, only the LED's. I might rather do that then try to find a nice set that's still 30 years old. This picture is the setup I'll go with if these pan out. Clean and simple. Yes, the inner side of my outer lenses will be tinted 'slightly' darker than the stock lenses. They're almost dark enough for my liking, but not quite.
The picture above of the 'real' one is what I was remembering seeing I think. They're nice, but I agree that they're spread apart a bit much.
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I wish my "photoshooping" skills were better, (should have attended one of Infinitewill's classes...), but this is the best I can do with my meager skills right now: It still sort of gets the overall look across, even though the set up looks MUCH better in person.
The molds are coming along nicely and I'm very anxious to get some sample parts popped out soon.
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Aug 6th, 2010
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Posts: 2166 From: Spokane, WA Registered: Apr 2009
I just realized I had saved another pic of someone's custom work. I don't know who the car belongs to so I can't give any credit, but I think it looks very nice. Those taillights look like they might be the bubble style aftermarket lights for the C3 Corvettes.
If the lights were moved outboard maybe another inch and the stock reverse lights were retained, that might be my ideal setup. The bubble style lights look very nice in there when inset a bit.
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