Looking for pictures of 4.9 swapped engine bays. What does a good one look like?

This one went a slightly different route than most, but nothing too fancy or over the top:


This picture shows (or doesn't show) the cover for the bulkhead connectors... everything ran out the bottom of the cover plate:


Here is the routing of the fuel lines (fuel filter by tank) and the conduit used for the chassis side of the 500 harness... painted to match the firewall and blend in.

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mine isnt that clean but here ya got

Here is mine, I just installed it Saturday, so it's not quite done yet. But It does run.

This is an older pic. Its a bit cleaner now. I'll have to get a more current one...

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quote Originally posted by fieroguru: This one went a slightly different route than most, but nothing too fancy or over the top:

In this photo, looks like the 4.9 is coupled to the Izusu 5sp, Is this a good combination?
I also take it that's a direct bolt on too.

I'm asking because I'm considering this same swap for my 84.

Jim

quote Originally posted by Fierosmith: In this photo, looks like the 4.9 is coupled to the Izusu 5sp, Is this a good combination? I also take it that's a direct bolt on too. I'm asking because I'm considering this same swap for my 84. Jim

It's better then the Muncie 4-speed or Getrag 5-speed because of the lower final drive, which suits the low-end torque of the 4.9 better, but its way too weak in my opinion. This is why I went automatic with my swap. I would break that Isuzu. First is way too short anyway.

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quote Originally posted by mattwa: It's better then the Muncie 4-speed or Getrag 5-speed because of the lower final drive, which suits the low-end torque of the 4.9 better, but its way too weak in my opinion. This is why I went automatic with my swap. I would break that Isuzu. First is way too short anyway.

Thanks for the reply,

I'll keep this advise in mind when I finally get around to do it.
First I'd planned to change over my original 4sp in the 84, to a Isuzu 5sp.

I maybe developing engine problems with the duke, so I figured I'd change out
everything at that time.

Jim

quote Originally posted by Fierosmith: In this photo, looks like the 4.9 is coupled to the Izusu 5sp, Is this a good combination? I also take it that's a direct bolt on too. I'm asking because I'm considering this same swap for my 84. Jim

It depends entirely on what you build the car for. This particular car was built for cruising, not 1/4 mile performance. The owner wanted the Isuzu to optimize the fuel efficiency of the swap while still being able to row the gears... plus it came with the chassis so it was also the cheapest route.

Sure 2nd gear can be weak if you like to do burnouts, drag race or be a street racer, and 5th gear can be pushed out the end of the case at 135 mph (with a 2.8)... but it all boils down to how the owner plans to drive the car and what they want.


I have ran the Isuzu behind my 4.5L build back in 2002 and behind a SBC (283 whp/317wtq) without any failures, but did switch the SBC car to a getrag for more piece of mind (plus I was planning to tow a trailer from WI to FL and 5th gear in the isuzu is very, very tiny).

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quote Originally posted by fieroguru: It depends entirely on what you build the car for. This particular car was built for cruising, not 1/4 mile performance. The owner wanted the Isuzu to optimize the fuel efficiency of the swap while still being able to row the gears... plus it came with the chassis so it was also the cheapest route. Sure 2nd gear can be weak if you like to do burnouts, drag race or be a street racer, and 5th gear can be pushed out the end of the case at 135 mph (with a 2.8)... but it all boils down to how the owner plans to drive the car and what they want. I have ran the Isuzu behind my 4.5L build back in 2002 and behind a SBC (283 whp/317wtq) without any failures, but did switch the SBC car to a getrag for more piece of mind (plus I was planning to tow a trailer from WI to FL and 5th gear in the isuzu is very, very tiny).

Thanks!

I just wanted a good cruiser, with a nice V8 rumble. (something I've dreamed about since the first day I bought the car, back in the Summer of '84) (a matter of fact, the first thought that entered my head after looking at the Duke, Humm I'll bet a sbc will fit in there... ) I do plan on some spirited driving, but not like a racer. I'm more about handling, but want extra UMP that a V8 supplies!

I'm currently working on a 3800sc/Isuzu5sp swap for a show 'N' Go type car. Mostly for car shows and cruisin', want to do a little Auto Cross with it too.
Oops! I'm beginning to get slightly off topic, Sorry about that.

Jim

Here's mine

wow some very nice installs. Thanks for all the pics it shows me that these can be done and made to look clean without the birds nest I had seen in some swaps.

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Raydar
88 4.9 Formula IMSA Fastback

Read Nealz Nuze! Praise the Lowered!

quote Originally posted by Raydar:

Where did you get that Chrome air filter? I'm torn between using that one and the factory 4.9 one, but I'm leaning toward the factory one.

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It's just a "parts store" filter. Advance or Autozone.

I think it might be a Mr. Gasket or Edelbrock, but I'm not sure.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: It's just a "parts store" filter. Advance or Autozone. I think it might be a Mr. Gasket or Edelbrock, but I'm not sure.

Oh ok. Isn't it true that the TB size of the 4.9 is the same as a 305/350?

quote Originally posted by mattwa: Oh ok. Isn't it true that the TB size of the 4.9 is the same as a 305/350?

I believe so. IIRC, the filter was made for a 4 barrel. Fit right on.
Seems like there may have been a ring that went between the TB and the filter base, but it was just to raise the base. It wasn't a reducer or any other kind of adapter.

Edit - If you decide to go this route, don't buy a filter that requires a plastic spacer or adapter. They'll melt.
Don't ask how I know this.

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quote Originally posted by Raydar:

Is that the alante intake? What advantages does that offer? What needs to be considered when installing it? What is involved? I can't imagine you just plop it on.

An Allante intake would be nice for sure...if you can find one.

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: I believe so. IIRC, the filter was made for a 4 barrel. Fit right on. Seems like there may have been a ring that went between the TB and the filter base, but it was just to raise the base. It wasn't a reducer or any other kind of adapter. Edit - If you decide to go this route, don't buy a filter that requires a plastic spacer or adapter. They'll melt. Don't ask how I know this.

I also have a filter like that that I use when slalom or other race - needs a spacer underneath, I found mine (metal) in the junk yard off a Astro mini van (don't recall the year or engine) - there are different heights as well, I think the one I am using is 1.5" tall.

quote Originally posted by mattwa: Oh ok. Isn't it true that the TB size of the 4.9 is the same as a 305/350?

TB size on a 4.9 is 5 1/8". Its pretty standard on alot of carb engines. The choices are actually quite staggering. You can even build your own using off the shelf parts from summit and the like. Make sure to get the raised base if you go this route or use a spacer. 4.1 caddy's or like MR Moose said chevy astro van have them. The astro one usually have a breather tube added which works perfect with the valve cover breather tube.

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quote Originally posted by Fieroseverywhere: TB size on a 4.9 is 5 1/8". Its pretty standard on alot of carb engines. The choices are actually quite staggering. You can even build your own using off the shelf parts from summit and the like. Make sure to get the raised base if you go this route or use a spacer. 4.1 caddy's or like MR Moose said chevy astro van have them. The astro one usually have a breather tube added which works perfect with the valve cover breather tube.

Cool, thanks for the info.

It really would be nice to have an Allante intake setup...but I don't think it's worth the hassle of redoing all the swap parts, and all the tuning issues.

quote Originally posted by fourpoint9: Here's mine

Our winner so far! Love the way this looks, I want about the same thing but in red.

These are some i found to give me ideas on how to fixup mine...

I posted my picture almost a year ago, so here is what it looks like now, except I replaced the alternator wire with a thicker one.

Mine before it was replaced with the 4 cylinder engine.

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88 Coupe: 2.0L Turbo 4 Cylinder
84 Indy #64: Restoration Project!

quote Originally posted by BOBBY D: Is that the alante intake? What advantages does that offer? What needs to be considered when installing it? What is involved? I can't imagine you just plop it on.

Sorry for the late response to the question...
It just bolts on. The rocker supports have to be removed anyway, so it's a good idea to use the ones from the Allante. Try to grab 'em from the donor when you get the intake.
The IAT and MAP sensor wiring will need to be extended. The TPS wiring will need to be extended, and repinned. (The 4.9 TPS has the wiper in the center. The Allante TPS has the wiper at one end.)
The chip will need some reprogramming. Most notably, the VE vs IAT temp tables. The Allante IAT sensor is in the plenum, where the 4.9 IAT is in the lower intake.
The 4.9 program is looking for much warmer air than it will see with the Allante setup. This will cause the engine to run waaaaay too rich.

I can answer specific questions if you have them. (Since the pics were taken I have also switched to a manual tranny.)

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Raydar
88 Formula IMSA Fastback. 4.9, NVG T550

Praise the Lowered!

EDIT: I just read you were looking for a 'good one'. Mines kind of a wire mess and dirty.



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-Kyle
Email: kakagiraffe@gmail.com
Aim: Littlechugger
1988 Notchback 4.9 V8, 5spd Isuzu, Spec Stage 4
True Dual Exhaust, Delta Cam (212,000 Miles)
1992 Honda Accord LX (220,000 Miles) 5spd

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Wow thread from the dead.

I have mine swapped and let me tell you it is as clean as you are ever going to see.

I will put some pics up tonight.

Mine was done by Olejoedad. Best work I ever seen. and Honest, too honest. But overall great guy

How can one be too honest????

Thanks Bobby!

Would love to see the pics! (and show 'em the underside, too!)

Yea mine doesn't look all that pretty on the underside...mainly the rusty starter and filthy oilpan.

from my Iphone last night.

One pic before turbo.



after turbo.



sry no straight on pics anymore.

Pete

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88 3800 turbo