HA HA! pictures to come soon :P till then youll have to suffer!
i will tell you i have the notchback cut, the decklid resized and cut and the camaro glass almost ready. all i need is some fiberglass work and a little more cutting possibly.
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Posts: 11151 From: Surrounded by corn. Registered: Feb 2009
No you don't!!!! You can't make a post like that and get away with it! I vote for flogging or a good long walk off a short plank for you.....arrrrgh!!! PICS......NOW Al
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Khw Member
Posts: 11139 From: South Weber, UT. U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2008
There is a Fiero with the 3rd gen rear glass out there somewhere. I don't remember the members name that made it, but it was built on a stretched frame with a longitudinal V8 swap. I'll have to look for pics.
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Khw Member
Posts: 11139 From: South Weber, UT. U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2008
Ok forget the flogging or plank walk...that might make finishing this a bit difficult. looks good, the glass follows the roof line nicely. i am adding this to the watch list. thanks for the pics... now get back to work....lol al
ya it would hurt a tad bit, i have a car show to goto tomorrow and i need to do some work on the car this is going onto (front caliper is hanging up and i need to get a new rim on my tire) but ill be hopefully working more on it.
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Dennis LaGrua Member
Posts: 15453 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
Nice project but I would be concerned with how you will ventilate the engine compartment. Possibly a marine ventilator blower of some sought can be employed in the right wheel well. Boats with inboard engines use these to vent the engine compartments.
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
The purpose of the ventilators on marine engine compartments is to make sure that there are no gasoline fumes in the engine compartment prior to ignition. Gas fumes being heavier than air will settle in the bottom of the boat with no way out unlike in a car. Instant explosion with fumes there. I've always been struck by the similar proportions of the 300zx to the Fiero. One of my favorite Japanese cars.
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Dennis LaGrua Member
Posts: 15453 From: Hillsborough, NJ U.S.A. Registered: May 2000
The purpose of the ventilators on marine engine compartments is to make sure that there are no gasoline fumes in the engine compartment prior to ignition. Gas fumes being heavier than air will settle in the bottom of the boat with no way out unlike in a car. Instant explosion with fumes there. I've always been struck by the similar proportions of the 300zx to the Fiero. One of my favorite Japanese cars.
Are you saying that a sealed engine compartment is no problem on a Fiero? Even with the engine vents it gets very hot under the deck lid. That is why I suggested using a marine ventilator.
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Originally posted by dratts: The purpose of the ventilators on marine engine compartments is to make sure that there are no gasoline fumes in the engine compartment prior to ignition. Gas fumes being heavier than air will settle in the bottom of the boat with no way out unlike in a car. Instant explosion with fumes there.
True, but he's still going to need to find a way to circulate air in the engine bay to keep temps down. That was the biggest problem for GM at the time when they were thinking of using a true fastback design rather than just the flying buttress GT panels. There are ideas out there now including vents that run along both hatch sides.
@Niterrorz: I like your "let's get'er done" approach. I seem to remember another thread from a while back that also explored the possibility of the 3rd gen F body hatch. IIRC, the problem was that the hatch's framework was too long for the available space. By cutting into the sail panel, and setting it further forward will you be able to make it fit lengthwise? If not, do you plan to move the taillight panel further back, or do you have some other secrets you're holding back? How about hinge mount locations for the hatch? Will they interfere with a rear window separating the engine compartment from the passenger compartment?
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Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
Are you saying that a sealed engine compartment is no problem on a Fiero? Even with the engine vents it gets very hot under the deck lid. That is why I suggested using a marine ventilator.
I was hesitant to reply to your post because I know that you are much more knowledgable than I am about Fieros. I agree that there would be a need for venting in this case. I have no idea whether the marine ventilators are up to the job, just that they were designed for a purpose other than cooling the engine. They are normally only used prior to start up.
here ya go it was done with my crappy cell camera but its a start
you have one problem the glas is to long on its own and you will need to move the taillight panel outward 4 inches as you can not cut the rear glass it is tempered and any atempt to cut it will end up in thousands of pieces
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Posts: 11139 From: South Weber, UT. U.S.A. Registered: Jun 2008
You could always go with a low profile roof scoop, like on that Eclipse in the FATF movie. Then, where you have the shortened trunk lid, maybe runn a channel on it that vents tot he rear of the vehicle just above the tailights? Then air would be forced through from the scoop, across the top of the engine pulling the heat that rises out through the rear. I don't know if that explination came out right, but that's how I picture it in my head. I'd use some screen to keep leaves out at both ends.
Originally posted by Niterrorz: @khw i ws thinking of doign a rook scoop but there is no room for it. the hatchback glass is going to have to be directly bolted to the frame and there is not going to be any space to allow for a scoop. now putting scoops on the sides where the air intake is and then the other side is possible but im going to look into venting slots/rear vent like you sugested although without the scoop first, then a blower motor.
Well good atleast I wasn't the only one that thought of that as a possibility! Unfortunate that there won't be enough room. I know you mentioned side scoops, but another possible thing might be the Firebird front fender type vents some have used on there Fiero, but located in the notchback side behind the sail panel. In this area.
With a vent like the ones on the front fender.
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You might have to switch to the fastback rear as it is longer above the tail lights. When I looked at it, I figured I could used the 4th gen camaro glass with the upper Notchie panel and lower fastback panel. The glass doesn't need to be flush with the rear panels for the full length, so you could raise it some to make an under the glass edge vent right above the tail lights.
Here is my 4th gen mockup:
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Originally posted by fieroguru:
Just playing around with a parts car today and decided to do some rough fitting:
This certainly looks do able now... to bad it is way down the priority list.
ya that 4th gen fits nice with the fastback. id have a hard time cutting up a nice fastback clip though. i should go out there and take more pics of the glass on the notchback as it really doesnt stick out past the lower lip of the decklid and it barely stick out past the top of it and i havent even finishe dform cutting the clip to the glass. if you look at the first pic i posted the top left corner hits and the bottom corner hit before it gets seated flush. i think this combined with some round off of the rear of the glass with fiberglass will mold it nicely. that and since the glass is curved side to side there is a small gap i think i can fit a vent in for cooling..
Have a look at how they glassed the decklid and rear clip, there's a nice added lip which flattens off the rear of the car where it's normally sloped. Would work well with the Camaro rear window.
oh ya i see that, it has a lip coming up and it would meet the glass better. how do you think i could seal that though? because that another issue i forsee is sealing the sides although i have somewhat of an idea im sure there are better ones out there.
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Fiero2m8 Member
Posts: 1928 From: Niagara, Ontario, Canada Registered: Feb 2006
Nice project. Don't worry about the heat issue people will try to scare you with. Focus on the fitment and deal with venting later. Remember your stock decklid didn't melt, so your tempered glass hatch won't either. I've driven mine in the rain several times since 2008 without issue. Good luck with the project. Any questions feel free to PM me.
I was hesitant to reply to your post because I know that you are much more knowledgable than I am about Fieros. I agree that there would be a need for venting in this case. I have no idea whether the marine ventilators are up to the job, just that they were designed for a purpose other than cooling the engine. They are normally only used prior to start up.
Its not a matter of who is more knowledgeable as we all learn something new every day or so we hope! This forum is for the open exchange of ideas and opinions. . In this case it is a given that the engine compartment in a hatch back re-design needs some amount of ventillation and hopefully my suggestion might offer a solution but not the only solution.
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How about hinge mount locations for the hatch? Will they interfere with a rear window separating the engine compartment from the passenger compartment? 
