quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I really didnt want to have to explain this.. but here is why a honda swap is SIGNIFICANTLY harder (than any GM swap, not just talking about the 3800 here, as you have noticed I have yet to say anything specific to a 3800) 1. Axles. building a set of 400whp axles that work correctly will be more or less impossible.(short of $1500ea custom jobs) You could try a respline job on the honda axles if they are long enough to adapt on the fiero outers. If you dont do that, you dont have the option of swapping outer hubs, you may be able to respline the inner tripot end if the honda tripots work the same as the fiero axles. 2. Mounts. The honda motors are 100% designed to be mounted on from the top down, while all GM mount systems operate from a bottom up system. 3. Gauges. No fiero gauges other than tach would work. 4. wiring. A honda motor/ecu is desinged to work with a "main relay" that would have to be integrated or bypassed... its not hard but it basically doubles the wiring job over any gm swap. 5. turbo. The H22 mounts the turbo in front of the motor.. which "may" work i am not sure, but my guess-gniering says that the turbo is a few inches passed the firewall. Either way the c203 and c500 connectors will be extremely close to the ramhorn. 6. Clutch/shifter. I dont think that the accord used a cable clutch, so you MAY be able to use the fiero clutch system if you are lucky... THe shifter on the other hand could be impossible to swap in if it is anything like my CRX. The shifter is designed to be directly connected to the shifter via 2 shafts that are directly behind the trans.... It would take thousands of dollars worth of time/engineering to come up with the right conversion parts to use something like my crx trans in a fiero. then, you have to rebuild the entire turbo kit.. yay.

Wonder what they said to Archie when he said "I'm gonna throw a V-8 in there"


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I would like to thank everyone(especially DH} for helping me fullfill my PFF dream.It has been a long long road but I finally reached it

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quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I wouldnt admit that to anyone.. honda guys will be confused, domestic guys will be thinking what I know, fiero guys dont exist in reality.

Testing the new ratings system I see. I think the OP acknowledged what you said. Your "job" has been done, so no need to waste any more of your precious time or expertise. See you in the next build thread.

sigh...another project that will never get finished.

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11.17@132.6

quote Originally posted by Justinbart: sigh...another project that will never get finished.

You know, most of the time you're annoying at best. Right now you're just an idiot. The guy has the skills to do the work himself, and has the available tools. Why wouldn't it get done? Do you know him? Tell you what, why don't you use your time trolling this thread instead?

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/091053-5.html

First off,

Your car is sick. I may use this for inspiration on how I want mine to look. Hope you don't mind

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I really didnt want to have to explain this.. but here is why a honda swap is SIGNIFICANTLY harder (than any GM swap, not just talking about the 3800 here, as you have noticed I have yet to say anything specific to a 3800) 1. Axles. building a set of 400whp axles that work correctly will be more or less impossible.(short of $1500ea custom jobs) You could try a respline job on the honda axles if they are long enough to adapt on the fiero outers. If you dont do that, you dont have the option of swapping outer hubs, you may be able to respline the inner tripot end if the honda tripots work the same as the fiero axles. 2. Mounts. The honda motors are 100% designed to be mounted on from the top down, while all GM mount systems operate from a bottom up system. 3. Gauges. No fiero gauges other than tach would work. 4. wiring. A honda motor/ecu is desinged to work with a "main relay" that would have to be integrated or bypassed... its not hard but it basically doubles the wiring job over any gm swap. 5. turbo. The H22 mounts the turbo in front of the motor.. which "may" work i am not sure, but my guess-gniering says that the turbo is a few inches passed the firewall. Either way the c203 and c500 connectors will be extremely close to the ramhorn. 6. Clutch/shifter. I dont think that the accord used a cable clutch, so you MAY be able to use the fiero clutch system if you are lucky... THe shifter on the other hand could be impossible to swap in if it is anything like my CRX. The shifter is designed to be directly connected to the shifter via 2 shafts that are directly behind the trans.... It would take thousands of dollars worth of time/engineering to come up with the right conversion parts to use something like my crx trans in a fiero. then, you have to rebuild the entire turbo kit.. yay.

I pretty much agree with everything you said.

Fortunately, I have access to a full fab shop, a few different cnc's, And some very knowledgeable friends.
And please if you think this is a terrible idea, or that I wont finish it, SPEAK UP! Your comments might help me think about something that could be a problem, or at the very least help motivate me to finish.

quote Originally posted by Dbsharp: Fortunately, I have access to a full fab shop, a few different cnc's, And some very knowledgeable friends. And please if you think this is a terrible idea, or that I wont finish it, SPEAK UP! Your comments might help me think about something that could be a problem, or at the very least help motivate me to finish.

Sounds great, and you obviously have some strong fabrication skills. Jump on it, and do a build thread with lots of pics. A lot of us love seeing people do out of the ordinary stuff. EVERY swap ran into issues the first time it was done...and they were overcome.

quote Originally posted by Dbsharp: First off, Your car is sick. I may use this for inspiration on how I want mine to look. Hope you don't mind

Thank you sir! I don't mind at all. If you want / need some info, just let me know. Part suppliers, dimensions, etc......

It's amazing when someone is attempting something outside the box how many people put it down. People who act like Nike are the ones who innovate. I believe this all goes back to " are you wonky??? The world is flat sir !!!"
I can't wait to see this long road of a build progress!!! Looks wicked!

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You are sooo going to fit in here! I, for one, will be watching this thread daily hoping for an update...

I don't expect much progress until this summer. Although I will be working on it. My team is behind on the FSAE car and I will have to start spending most of my free time working on that to finish, last year I spent about 70 hours a week working on the FSAE car, I cant spend that much time on it this year. one of the first things I'm going to do is get a laser scan of the engine bay and hopefully a full engine/transmission.

I will be making a few cool parts on the cnc, Ill post em up.

There seems to be a little bit of confusion about my motor. It's not the same as the s2000, its from the older accords/ preludes. They are not very popular engines, and they are underrated. They flow pretty good from the factory.

There is a guy who claims to make 455 hp NA on a f22a motor, and he has had a few world records with it.
NA F22A 455HP

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Axles shouldn't be a problem , after all I am running a Honda/Acura NSX 5 speed in my car. Call Frank @ the Driveshaft shop , as long as you have your inner cups and the half-shaft he can get you all the parts you need. I stayed with the NSX diameter axle 31mm I believe it is, then replaced the races in my outer hubs. As far as I know the outer hubs are my weak followed by the inner tripots then the axle.

ohh and the speedo should work , my VSS outputs a 4000 ppm sine wave . Used Fiero addictions pullup and turned it into a 12v square wave , speedo reads perfect.

as for other sensor you can always add GM sensors I.E. coolant temp for gauge Oil pressure for gauge in reality I am certain you could get all your gauges and lights to work in some manor. I have and I am running my engine on a MS3+MS3x

as for all the other challenges you have with enough time , money and patience I am sure you can get it swapped .

Best of luck

-Kemp

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I have to agree with many here. Out of the ordinary swaps are neat to see, especially if the person has the ability to finish it and executes it. I still think one of my favorite swaps I've seen in the Fiero was a Ford Taurus SHO V6. I'd like to have one, although I'd never attempt the swap myself. I say as before, Go for it!

The speedo is cable driven.

I plan on doing a custom digital dash, possibly incorporating a couple needle gauges.

Is there a thread anywhere on this site where someone took a fiero apart and weighed the parts individually? 2700 lbs seems a little high for such a little car. There has to be some parts that are heavier than they need to be.

quote Originally posted by Dbsharp: I plan on doing a custom digital dash, possibly incorporating a couple needle gauges. Is there a thread anywhere on this site where someone took a fiero apart and weighed the parts individually? 2700 lbs seems a little high for such a little car. There has to be some parts that are heavier than they need to be.

The space frame is heavy, Fieros seem like they would be pretty hard to make light.

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quote Originally posted by Dbsharp: I plan on doing a custom digital dash, possibly incorporating a couple needle gauges. Is there a thread anywhere on this site where someone took a fiero apart and weighed the parts individually? 2700 lbs seems a little high for such a little car. There has to be some parts that are heavier than they need to be.

Doesn't have everything, but there's plenty in here:

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/112942.html

I think this is a great idea! A honda motor can be made to make tons of power, and fit in such a compact space. With the power that you have, you'll be good to go. It's lot like those guys who swap bike engines into MG's, I mean MG's are double the weight and drag co-effieceny of a bike! Yet they still power away harder then the stock motors!

So has this great idea begun yet ?

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: So has this great idea begun yet ?

quote Originally posted by Dbsharp: I don't expect much progress until this summer. Although I will be working on it. My team is behind on the FSAE car and I will have to start spending most of my free time working on that to finish, last year I spent about 70 hours a week working on the FSAE car, I cant spend that much time on it this year. one of the first things I'm going to do is get a laser scan of the engine bay and hopefully a full engine/transmission.

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No fiero progress, the new racecar is getting most of my attention.


and a little for the cnc.

Nice.
We're watching!