In the next month or so I hope to be cross-breeding an '86 GT with an '88 coupe, retaining the notchie roof line. I have my own idea how I'd like the hybrid to look, but I'm curious if anyone out there has pictures of this combination.

What I envision is basically a Formula nose on an '85 GT.

I'm curious what might be the best way to blend (with a paint scheme) the GT ground effects on the side of the car with the Formula nose and it's rather more pronounced front air-dam.

And if I had my druthers, I'd love to see what a red bodied notchie with silver GT ground effects fitted with a Formula nose would look like.

Any pictures like that out there?

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Isn't that what qwikgta's car used to look like?

quote Originally posted by skuzzbomer: Isn't that what qwikgta's car used to look like?

I'm familiar with a car of his which is a fastback with a Formula nose. Did it used to be a notchie with GT trim?

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I actually was running this combo for a while on an actual '88 Formula, but sadly I did not take any photographs of it. I ran with it while I was trying to figure out what I was going to do with it body-wise, and then ended up doing nothing...

Probably the best way to run with it color-wise is to make the bottom air dam on the base coupe/Formula style nose the same color as the ground effects. So if you were running silver ground effects, you would want the air dam to also be silver. The really big issue that arises with this is that piece was not meant to be painted, and it can be difficult to paint. It's flexible in nature, so eventually any scrubbing of the ground would begin to wear the paint out (it would likely begin to flake off actually). The only other option would be to run black ground effects like what the '86/'87 SE cars had. This would negate having to paint that lower air dam piece, since it would match fairly close to the OEM black ground effects that came on the SE aero cars.

Ask Terry to do one for you in his Photoshop thread.

Jonathan

quote Originally posted by Patrick: I'm familiar with a car of his which is a fastback with a Formula nose. Did it used to be a notchie with GT trim?

Yep... Been years, though. May not have had the GT rockers, however.

Hang on..... His sig from a decade ago. Nevermind. Just looks like a nice coupe.

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quote Originally posted by Fiero84Freak: Probably the best way to run with it color-wise is to make the bottom air dam on the base coupe/Formula style nose the same color as the ground effects. So if you were running silver ground effects, you would want the air dam to also be silver.

I agree, and yes, I was also concerned with how durable silver paint would be on the air-dam.

quote Originally posted by Fiero84Freak: The only other option would be to run black ground effects like what the '86/'87 SE cars had. This would negate having to paint that lower air dam piece, since it would match fairly close to the OEM black ground effects that came on the SE aero cars.

No, no, no... a thousand times no! Sorry, but I really dislike the black ground effects on those models.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: ... I've added GT ground effects (they're supposed to be silver ) along the side of this red Formula. I've also made the front air-dam the same color. The "custom" bit is the angled portion of added color to the right of the front wheel well. This is to help match the height of the ground effects along the side of the car. It needs to be subtle, but this could probably be tweaked a bit. After experimenting a little, I don't think I'd like any more of the nose painted the same color as the ground effects.

I have thoughts on a different way to approach this. (Involves a little bit of fiberglass and fabrication.)

If I ever do, you'll see it here first.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: I have thoughts on a different way to approach this. (Involves a little bit of fiberglass and fabrication.) If I ever do, you'll see it here first.

Aw, you're just teasing me! No fair!
Come on Raydar, dust off your photoshop toolz and let's see what you have in mind.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: In the next month or so I hope to be cross-breeding an '86 GT with an '88 coupe, retaining the notchie roof line. I have my own idea how I'd like the hybrid to look, but I'm curious if anyone out there has pictures of this combination. What I envision is basically a Formula nose on an '85 GT. I'm curious what might be the best way to blend (with a paint scheme) the GT ground effects on the side of the car with the Formula nose and it's rather more pronounced front air-dam. And if I had my druthers, I'd love to see what a red bodied notchie with silver GT ground effects fitted with a Formula nose would look like. Any pictures like that out there?

Lets start with this I wish Forza 4 had notchies too I think the late model coupe is pretty much the same as the Formula let me know if it is not the same? If this will work I will get to making it a notchie here soon.



Here it is as a notchie



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quote Originally posted by 85SEnochie: I think the late model coupe is pretty much the same as the Formula let me know if it is not the same?

Yes, they are the same.

I vote for the Formula nose, Aero (GT or SE) rear bumper and NO SIDE GROUND EFFECTS.

Jonathan

quote Originally posted by Boostdreamer: See? If you use a base rear bumper or a Formula rear bumper the ground effects don't flow with it. Skip them or at least delete the door section. Then you will have a "poor man's widebody". Jonathan

This was my thought for that

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Terry, glad you got my message. Looks pretty good so far.

A couple of tweaks... Could you add the small silver "wedge" where I've indicated below...



And could you make the rear bumper a GT one?

And, if it's not a lot of hassle... could you add the decklid and hood from my Duke in This picture (keeping them black)?

Thanks!

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: Come on Raydar, dust off your photoshop toolz and let's see what you have in mind.

I suck at any kind of image editing. But here...

Picture "wheel spats", blended into the air dam, ala 1970s Trans Am.


Edit - or my old Monza (except smaller, and not that high at the top.)

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: Picture "wheel spats", blended into the air dam, ala 1970s Trans Am.

Ah, that reminds me very much of an '87 that Capt Fiero bought a few years ago and has redone (since this picture was taken).

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I was thinking something that would taper downward/inward under the sides of the fascia, and blend into the existing airdam. It wouldn't have to be more than a foot or so long. Something way more discreet than you pictured.

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quote Originally posted by 85SEnochie:

This is better but the only purpose of the side effects now are to blend the door to the aero rocker panels. If that is the case (it is), why not leave the ground effects off and keep the base rockers? I think the side of the car looks so much cleaner without the extra lines of the effects.

Jonathan

quote Originally posted by Boostdreamer: ...why not leave the ground effects off and keep the base rockers?

Because I don't like the base rockers. Simple as that.

quote Originally posted by Boostdreamer: I think the side of the car looks so much cleaner without the extra lines of the effects.

Different strokes for different folks.

I happen to like silver ground effects, but I'm not terribly fond of the GT nose. I don't hate it, but basically what I'd like to see is what an '85 GT would look like with a Formula nose.

Another thought...
Has anyone ever built a car with the upper ground effects on the doors and between the wheels, but with the Formula/base rockers?
There's a chance that they'll line up with each other, and may give you the best of both worlds. (Ground effects, but with a taper to match the Formula nose.)

OK maybe one of you guys could help me out here EVERY FREAKEN day at some point my pictures become red X's and PIP can't find server I will have done nothing and come back later and it works fine is there a setting on my end I need to be doing ??? The picture is done just can't post it untell I get PIP to find the server again. Can you see my pictures?

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: Another thought... Has anyone ever built a car with the upper ground effects on the doors and between the wheels, but with the Formula/base rockers? There's a chance that they'll line up with each other, and may give you the best of both worlds. (Ground effects, but with a taper to match the Formula nose.)

I don't think they will match up well.

Jonathan

quote Originally posted by Boostdreamer: I don't think they will match up well. Jonathan

I think it would look something like this? it will show when pip starts working for me again



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quote Originally posted by 85SEnochie: OK maybe one of you guys could help me out here EVERY FREAKEN day at some point my pictures become red X's and PIP can't find server I will have done nothing and come back later and it works fine is there a setting on my end I need to be doing ???

Terry, occasionally I have the same problem (including earlier today as a matter of fact), but now it's working fine. Yes, I can see all your images.

I find that sometimes I'll have problems with PIP hosted images displaying in a thread if I also have photo editing programs open. It's like my computer/display card can't handle too much at once. Sometimes just closing those programs is enough to resolve the issue, sometimes a reboot is necessary.

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: Terry, occasionally I have the same problem (including earlier today as a matter of fact), but now it's working fine. Yes, I can see all your images. I find that sometimes I'll have problems with PIP hosted images displaying in a thread if I also have photo editing programs open. It's like my computer/display card can't handle too much at once. Sometimes just closing those programs is enough to resolve the issue, sometimes a reboot is necessary.

OK so I'll give that ago I have closed everything and rebooted my thread is working again but this one is not and PIP can't find the server yet?

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quote Originally posted by 85SEnochie: I think it would look something like this? it will show when pip starts working for me again

It's working for me. Thanks!

While not a perfect match on the outside edge, it's not bad.

quote Originally posted by 85SEnochie: ...my thread is working again but this one is not and PIP can't find the server yet?

I'm going outside to cut the grass in a half-hour or so, but if you wish, you can send the image(s) to the email addy in my Profile and I'll post them.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: I'm going outside to cut the grass in a half-hour or so, but if you wish, you can send the image(s) to the email addy in my Profile and I'll post them.

I sent it It's working again



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quote Originally posted by 85SEnochie: I sent it

I received, ummm... I received the wrong image. (It's the earlier image of the fastback.)

But I see you've posted a new one. Great. I'll look it over and and post back.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: I don't know how you do it Terry, but these photoshopped Fiero images are great! You've even included a sun-roof which I forgot to mention to add. A few more tweaks, and I think you'll have it. Could you make both the hood and the decklid (including the spoiler) a flat black? And could you put these 16" wheels on the car. These are the Sunfire rims I normally use now when not autocrossing. And any chance of lightening up newly created image(s) a little? I'm not sure what the images are like on other people's monitors, but on mine I can't see the details unless I save the image and "massage" it a bit. Thanks! [EDIT] I have a set of these scoops I'm debating whether or not to use. If you are able to "install" this type of scoop as well (body color) in the image, that would be just peachy.

How is this better?



I know I forgot a little detail



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quote Originally posted by 85SEnochie: How is this, better?

Excellent, excellent... Just this last little bit!

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Could you make both the hood and the decklid (including the spoiler) a flat black?

And if it's easy to do, could you for comparison purposes make the whole car uniformly black (but leave the ground effects silver)?

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: And if it's easy to do, could you for comparison purposes make the whole car uniformly black (but leave the ground effects silver)?

It's a quickie hope that it's ok?

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OooOooo... I like, I like !!!

I really like that charcoal grey/black body color. It allows the regular dark black trim to still stand out.

Excellent!

Thanks so much, Terry. That really gives me something to consider when it comes time to painting this (or any other) Fiero.

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: OooOooo... I like, Iike !!! I really like that charcoal grey/black body color. It allows the regular dark black trim to still stand out. Excellent! Thanks so much, Terry. That really gives me something to consider when it comes time to painting this (or any other) Fiero.

You are very welcome! I am not able to do much for our Fiero madness but I have a tone of fun doing this

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quote Originally posted by skuzzbomer: Isn't that what qwikgta's car used to look like?

Still does.





Rob

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