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New issue of Kit Car Builder - Lizardo by larini74
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On page 11 of the new issue of Kit Car Builder is a blurb of Dan Wilkinson's Lizardo.
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Cool. I love the way the Lizardo looks. It seems to not only be a really good starter kit, but you can either build it as intended or with a little bit of work do some of your own customization to really make it stand out.



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Kind of reminds me of the Mastretta MXT from Mexico.
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I like the sides and the back. Not a big fan of the hood, fenders, and bumper.

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Agreed, The kit is nothing if not unique and there are a lot of things to like about it but that front end kills it for me. The car also seems to sit too high for some reason. Also I think the name could have been much better chosen. Lizardo kinda sounds like some kinda green scaly cheesy kit car/ theme car name somehow and not the more upscale exotic looking car the builder was apparently trying to create. The sides and back are the best looks and I actually like the headlights but that grille makes it look like something chopped its nose off and takes away from what could have been a really smooth look. JMHO...peace

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I seriously consider this body kit for several months. But after many hours of review, this is what I came up with.

Its back end is Awesome!

The rest of the car is too boxy.

There are a lot of ideas I like, but she needs some curves added into her.

The biggest issue I couldn't get over is how the sides look like a long flat wall:
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The sides would be improved with big fender flares over the rear wheels. As it sits, it looks like the rear wheels are smaller than the front. I think this look is caused by the horizontal lines above the wheel wells. The line is close to the front wheel and several inches away from the rear wheel.

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I love the Liz I too think it could use some changes and love photo chopping my thoughts of what I would do with it Here are a couple of my favorites



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Although I think the Lizardo has alot of areas that need improvement, its still a good looking kit. If someones unfinshed Lizardo project was to pop up for sale for a decent price, I would jump on it. I think if the front end was tweeked a little more to look like the front of the Gallardo LP560;



And give it a chop top, throw in a LS4 drivetrain in it~~ It would be a great car.....
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These are the areas that bother me the most, but all could be tweeked to look better.....

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Just cutting out the center and grilling it is quite a improvement just in its self don't you think?



Or maybe add a little to tie it in a little more?



I know cut out with the photo chopping ok last one until some one asks



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quick & dirty photoshop-
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Amazing what a little change can do for a design. I would also break up those huge flat black areas with some well chosen driving lights or something perhaps LEDs to swallow up some of that acreage.


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No flow to the design.

It is trying to fit a Lambo like style on too small of a canvas.


Bits and pieces are fine but the sum total together do not work.

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Originally posted by hyperv6:

No flow to the design.

It is trying to fit a Lambo like style on too small of a canvas.


Bits and pieces are fine but the sum total together do not work.



Not that you are not correct on what you said But I am not looking to do a stretch on my fiero well beyond my skill level. So as for a not stretched kit I think it's the best one out their

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Honestly I would take a V8 Archie Madarch widebody kit with mods any day over that car just looks more natural on the fiero to me. Peace

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Honestly I would take a V8 Archie Madarch widebody kit with mods any day over that car just looks more natural on the fiero to me. Peace

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Yah the wide body looks Fantastic! and would love to have one of those too. But were the Liz is meant to give you a Lamborghini looking car I really like it too

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Just another set of my 2 cents, but if you want the most LAMBO car for your buck without a stretch, then I would do a ROB combo.

I would get Rob (Amida's) G1 dash, but of course since I begged him to do it and is completely a Gallardo inspired dash.


Then I would get EVM_Rob's completely restored D&R's 25th Countach (non-stretch), which is one of the best non-stretch LAMBO kits ever designed.

EVM_Rob Quote "The Countach molds are brand new virgin molds. I fixed everything on the body then made molds just like I did with the 308."



Countach Kit Pricing

Main Body $1450
Hood $125
Tail Light Panel $100
Inner and Outer Door (ea) $250
Air Boxes (ea) $125
Engine Cover $200
Trunk Cover $125
Head Light Buckets (ea) $75
Front Spoiler $200
Wing $400
Door Panels (ea) $50
Turn Signals (w/ housings) $155
Rear Lights $350
Bumper Grills $50pr
Turn signal Covers $40pr
Door Hinges $200pr

Kit Price: $3,650.00

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Originally posted by Fiero84Freak:

Cool. I love the way the Lizardo looks. It seems to not only be a really good starter kit, but you can either build it as intended or with a little bit of work do some of your own customization to really make it stand out.





I agree this kits is something that needs work in my opinion to give it a stance which not many kits have. Kit cars all need the right stance which is height width suspension wheels and spacing it isn't just all body. Stance has everything to do with the finishing off the kit car and not thinking replica i am just talking stance in general and without it any super car kit is a fail. This does have what is required to make a good looking car but in bolt on form it is certainly more exciting than a Celica but not quite the desired look from what i can make out. i am excited to the possibilites of the kit but so far we have been limited to only a handful of crammed in a garage photos to make any judgments on.
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I have not read page 11 of the new issue of Kit Car Builder so I hope not to be hijacking this Thread to much I am truly trying to help sell the idea because I truly think that it's a cool kit

Here are some pictures that larini74 took at Daytona in 09 Hope you don't mind me reposting them but there not crammed in a garage













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All those with a better idea, start building your cars and post some photos of your work.
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Already on it, but thanks for the motivation!

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Not that you are not correct on what you said But I am not looking to do a stretch on my fiero well beyond my skill level. So as for a not stretched kit I think it's the best one out their




I have seen better rebodies that fit the stock length. Generally most of the Lambo ones never translate well and look have poor flow. For some reason some not all the Ferrari kits tend to pull off the 7/8th down size and look ok.

If it looks too wrong I would just keep looking for a better kit. When it looks like 20 gallons of crap in a 10 gallon bucket I would just rather leave it stock. Now some kits have done a good job but this one is too chopped off in the nose and too tall. They would have been better off going original on the nose vs. the forced Lambo details that did not translate well. You have to remember the real cars are very large and need the space to express the styling. To cram it into such a small space damages the look. Just my 4 cents for what it is worth.

The Boxer Ferrari kits never translated well either.

To be honest I would take the car in your sig long before the kit if given the choice. Nice color original choice.

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I have seen better rebodies that fit the stock length. Generally most of the Lambo ones never translate well and look have poor flow. For some reason some not all the Ferrari kits tend to pull off the 7/8th down size and look ok.

If it looks too wrong I would just keep looking for a better kit. When it looks like 20 gallons of crap in a 10 gallon bucket I would just rather leave it stock. Now some kits have done a good job but this one is too chopped off in the nose and too tall. They would have been better off going original on the nose vs. the forced Lambo details that did not translate well. You have to remember the real cars are very large and need the space to express the styling. To cram it into such a small space damages the look. Just my 4 cents for what it is worth.

The Boxer Ferrari kits never translated well either.

To be honest I would take the car in your sig long before the kit if given the choice. Nice color original choice.



To each their own I don't see crap I see potential But I'll leave it alone and thanks for the complement on the sig I will have that some day sooner then having the Liz

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I think the bar has been raised so high by some of the Fieros that are being built now and have been built recently like some Archies wide bodies, Car-lo, ect. Its easy to find flaws or dislikes in other designs when it comes to changing the the dated Fiero body with examples like those. But if you take in consideration what the Lizardo kit is, a pretty much ready to go "bolt on kit" with out any "necessary" major body work and some minor metal work. Its really one of the better rebody kits on the market right now, of course this is only my opinion and Im sure others view it differently since we all have different tastes.

But there just isnt that many rebody kits out there that dont require a large amount of skillset like the Lizardo. Now if Fiero Fiberglass wants to send me a complete Lizardo kit to show everyone what a great option this kit is just PM me requesting my shipping info......

BTW- Has anyone done a photoshop of a Lizardo with a choptop??
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Originally posted by diabloroadster:

I think the bar has been raised so high by some of the Fieros that are being built now and have been built recently like some Archies wide bodies, Car-lo, ect. Its easy to find flaws or dislikes in other designs when it comes to changing the the dated Fiero body with examples like those. But if you take in consideration what the Lizardo kit is, a pretty much ready to go "bolt on kit" with out any "necessary" major body work and some minor metal work. Its really one of the better rebody kits on the market right now, of course this is only my opinion and Im sure others view it differently since we all have different tastes.

But there just isnt that many rebody kits out there that dont require a large amount of skillset like the Lizardo. Now if Fiero Fiberglass wants to send me a complete Lizardo kit to show everyone what a great option this kit is just PM me requesting my shipping info......

BTW- Has anyone done a photoshop of a Lizardo with a choptop??


Of course I have not at the right angle though but this is the one I did awhile ago

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To each their own I don't see crap I see potential But I'll leave it alone and thanks for the complement on the sig I will have that some day sooner then having the Liz



You got your thing I have mine.
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Originally posted by diabloroadster:

side view???


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