quote Originally posted by FieroBUZZ: I can see the Gent's club attracting some unwanted business 'partners'.

hey watch it bub.They happen to be very close freinds.LOL
Don't worry about that there are only a couple people worse than me .

quote Originally posted by LITEDAZE: Well, I'm up for it no matter how long it would take, all I would have to know is the theme you want to create. This idea of yours will most likely take quite some time to get together, but i guarantee i'll still be up for it when it's ready for execution! James

I was thinking you could sell prints of your work.

quote Originally posted by Uaana: Ok.. back to regular advice. Clubs are run the same as any resturant/bar the only difference is adding some talent to spice the place up. Most problems with this kind of talent tend to end up in areas you deff don't want to get involved in (drugs/prostitution ect) if you run a clean establishment where the talent is friendly but not slutty you can have success but as mentioned earlier it's still all about marketing. If you have no experience in this field, hire a club manager with experience in both bar/dance clubs it'll save you in the long run. Before that look into local and state licensing regs, offshore requirements, Coast Guard regs ect ect.

Well we don't want no stinking drugs here and marketing is going to be tricky as I don't want to be open to the general public.
I need to start talking to some of the way well to dos out here about that.
Now I have no experience in this so I am already seeking out people that have done this.I have an appointment with a guy tuesday.He has a members only club now.It is non profit and seems to be run great so I'm hoping he will be willing to come and help out or at least advise.

Good thinking about the coast gaurd.I need to find out about safety requirments.Being on the water has its dangers so we definitly want to keep a handle on that.

hmm marketing. you could go the Nordstrom's way and just do the word-of-mouth bit. Invite some high-rollers to a grand opening, and hope to high heaven that they tell their rich friends about it.

or you could advertise at private golf clubs, high-end spas...etc.

or... BOTH!
Janell

Ill be a bouncer. See hawt women and beat people up. The best of both worlds.

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Janell reminded me...Will there be any policy against fraternizing with the waitresses?

Wheres an application? I will handle security inside and out the ladies changing room

Hey, pokey, will I get free admission?

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Hey, pokey, will I get free admission?

Well yeah!!!

i wonder why the "moral majority" types haven't jumped in here yet?

quote Originally posted by lurker: i wonder why the "moral majority" types haven't jumped in here yet?

They already know I don't care.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: They already know I don't care.

Few thoughts for you.

Generally private clubs require the same licenses as public establishments when it comes to serving alcohol or having nude or semi-nude entertainment. Every city is different so you need to check your local ordinances to make sure you are complying.

First and foremost, set yourself up as a corporation or limited liabilty company top protect yourself from personal liability if something should go wrong. Also, get proper liability insurance for the company before allowing anyone, employee or clientele, to set foot on the property.

As for opening a private club, you need to guage interest before you start spending too much money. Put together a prospectus of some kind and take it to your potential clientele to determine if they would be interested in this type of establishment. You need to know if the market is going to support the business before investing too much time and effort.

Havce the work either done by or supervised by a professional. Many establishments are shut down before they open due to code violations in the electricity or plumbing. Pull the proper permits before doing any work, or the municipality can force you to undo all work that was done without the proper permits (This all may be basic stuff you already know, if so, I apologize).

Regarding the refreshments avaible, is that going to included in the cost of the club or is it going to be a cash bar. Are you planning on serving food? If so, you need to comply with all local ordinances for food service and food preparation areas.

You need to set up credit accounts for all the local food vendors and liquor vendors so you can get wholesale pricing...don't want to pay full retail if you are buying in bulk.

Maybe I misunderstood. Is the ship meant to ferry people to the island, or is it going to be a stand alone establishment, with a seperate establishment going on the island? I do not know what the California laws are, but if the ship was sold as salvage or scrap, it may not be able to be used as a seafaring vessel anymore. You need to check with local officials to determine if it can be used to ferry people. If you have other means to ferry people to the island or there is a bridge, ignore this comment.

Regarding the private club idea, you would have to either sell a large number of yearly memberships to cover the cost of what you are proposing or your would have to sell them at a premium. You need to decide what works best for your area...high volume low cost or high cost, low volume.

Look into establishing a line of credit for the company so that if there are lean times during the start up phase, you have capital to draw on that is not taking food off your table.

There are hundreds of issues that need to be addressed - it is quite an undertaking. I hope things do work out for you as it sounds like it would be incredibly interesting to visit your club.

I willbe watching with interest and if you ever have any questions you think I could assist with, let me know.

I had thrteen years of experience in the bar/club/tavern industry while putting myself through college and law school, so if I can be of assistance, please let me know.

Kelin

Going flying ? Don't forget you Camera. Whatch'a flyng. Flew an Aeronca Chief a few years ago (18)and that was flying. My first tail dragger landing. Almost killed both of us . Spun the wheels on the top strand of a barbed wire fence. fun test drive but I didn't buy it. We sat down and went through it,s history.It had rolled out out of the factory the day I was born. I read on and the main sitka spruce wing spar had been sistered in 1957. 11 year after it was built..................

Just as a point of clarification, the ship is permanently moored at the island, its not going anywhere. Employees and clientel would be ferried out on a small boat.

Not posted by fierobear posted by Pokeyfiero.Dumbass used my computer to log on and put his crap in memory.Dumb bear.

quote Originally posted by Tytehead: Few thoughts for you. Generally private clubs require the same licenses as public establishments when it comes to serving alcohol or having nude or semi-nude entertainment. Every city is different so you need to check your local ordinances to make sure you are complying. First and foremost, set yourself up as a corporation or limited liabilty company top protect yourself from personal liability if something should go wrong. Also, get proper liability insurance for the company before allowing anyone, employee or clientele, to set foot on the property. As for opening a private club, you need to guage interest before you start spending too much money. Put together a prospectus of some kind and take it to your potential clientele to determine if they would be interested in this type of establishment. You need to know if the market is going to support the business before investing too much time and effort. Havce the work either done by or supervised by a professional. Many establishments are shut down before they open due to code violations in the electricity or plumbing. Pull the proper permits before doing any work, or the municipality can force you to undo all work that was done without the proper permits (This all may be basic stuff you already know, if so, I apologize). Regarding the refreshments avaible, is that going to included in the cost of the club or is it going to be a cash bar. Are you planning on serving food? If so, you need to comply with all local ordinances for food service and food preparation areas. You need to set up credit accounts for all the local food vendors and liquor vendors so you can get wholesale pricing...don't want to pay full retail if you are buying in bulk. Maybe I misunderstood. Is the ship meant to ferry people to the island, or is it going to be a stand alone establishment, with a seperate establishment going on the island? I do not know what the California laws are, but if the ship was sold as salvage or scrap, it may not be able to be used as a seafaring vessel anymore. You need to check with local officials to determine if it can be used to ferry people. If you have other means to ferry people to the island or there is a bridge, ignore this comment. Regarding the private club idea, you would have to either sell a large number of yearly memberships to cover the cost of what you are proposing or your would have to sell them at a premium. You need to decide what works best for your area...high volume low cost or high cost, low volume. Look into establishing a line of credit for the company so that if there are lean times during the start up phase, you have capital to draw on that is not taking food off your table. There are hundreds of issues that need to be addressed - it is quite an undertaking. I hope things do work out for you as it sounds like it would be incredibly interesting to visit your club. I willbe watching with interest and if you ever have any questions you think I could assist with, let me know. I had thrteen years of experience in the bar/club/tavern industry while putting myself through college and law school, so if I can be of assistance, please let me know. Kelin

Ok you got lots of stuff there.
I was just discussing these issues with a future member over dinner about a half hour ago.

Ship and property will be placed in a trust.
Ship is moored and is the place of establishment.
It will not be open to public.Member/owners only set up as non profit organazation.
Food and or drinks will not be sold.There will be no selling of any kind.A tally of costs will be submitted to owner/members monthly.
Forget about the stripper/entertainment thing.This isn't a strip club.There are some after hours provisions being discussed but as a whole that isn't going to be the deal.But I still really like the pirate outfit for the waitresses.
Definetly looking at high cost/low volume.I would like a 200 member cap.We have over twenty people interested in being members now and a couple that want to bank it.
There will be a few controlling members responsible for the goings on and i don't intend on being in totall control though I will retain a veto on any decisions.

Given these parameters what can you tell me is the best way to proceed.
The less I have to have to do with the powers that be the better.
One thing to remember is I am not making this to make money.My insperation comes from just wanting to have people get together and have a place to get together.
There are a numnber of restraunts on the water and every one of them has some kind of special thing going.The one thing they all have in common is the people.They all want to have fun out here and i just want to take that into a more private exclusive deal.

quote Originally posted by Wolfhound: Going flying ? Don't forget you Camera. Whatch'a flyng. Flew an Aeronca Chief a few years ago (18)and that was flying. My first tail dragger landing. Almost killed both of us . Spun the wheels on the top strand of a barbed wire fence. fun test drive but I didn't buy it. We sat down and went through it,s history.It had rolled out out of the factory the day I was born. I read on and the main sitka spruce wing spar had been sistered in 1957. 11 year after it was built..................

I have no idea what we will be flying.I get in whatever John flys out here in.As long as it looks solid and runs good I'm happy.

quote Originally posted by ChaoticMav: Wheres an application? I will handle security inside and out the ladies changing room

no

[This message has been edited by fierobear (edited 01-19-2005).]

Okay. You indicated you would not be seling food or drinks, but then you said that each member would be sent a tally of costs would be sent each month. I'm sorry if it seem that I am repeating myself, but that would mean you are selling food and liquor and therefore you would have to met all of the requirements of a licensed establishment. Again, you would need to check you local ordinances to se what those requiremens are. If the food and alcohol came free with the cost of the yearly membership fees, then you may not have to comply with licensing issues for the liquor. This would probably more true if it was a "bring your own" type of establishment, where you provide the mixers, ice, glasses, beer nuts and loation, but the members bring their own alcohol. But if you are going to serve food, (other than beer nuts) you wll most likely need to comply with local ordinances and health codes, which would include allowing in city inspectors, etc. I am basing these observations on WI law. It could be different in Cali, but I doubt it.

If you are going to have waitresses and hostesses you need to be extremely careful that you screen them carefuly, especially if you expect the clientele to get "friendly" or "handsey" with them. You could be n the hook for sexual harassment or discrimination in the workplace if just one of them files a complaint. To protect yourself, you need to have an anti-harassment policy in place with regards to employees, with instructions on what an employee should do if they feel they are being harassed. You should let your clients/members know what is and is not acceptable behavior when it comes to the wait staff, and you need to enforce it. A failure to enforce policies is jut as bad as not having any policies.

It is good tht the ship and property are going into a trust, but you still need to protect yourself by having proper insurance, afailure to have proper insurance and capitalization in the company could result in personal liability even if the venture is a limited liability or corporation. This is doubly important if you are a) selling alcohol and b) planning on having provacatively dressed women (see above discussion) These issues should be discused with an insurance agent and/or attorney to make sure you are protected.

You indicated in your answer that you are modelling this off a number of restaurants on the waterfront. Those restaurants already have the licenses they need to operate due to the fact that they are public restaurants, even if you do not plan on openinga rstaurant to the public you will most likely be required to get the same permits/licenses.

Also, you need to look at the legality of serving alcohol after bar time. Even if it is a private club, there my be laws against that. Again, there may be exceptions for after hours private clubsin the local ordinances, but there aren't here. Check that.

Once you start selling memberships and charging for food or drinks the rules change compared to having a group of buddies coming over hanging out after bar.

The easiest way to avoid the need to for licenses and governemental interference is to avoid memberships, etc. If you have twenty buddies (or thirty or whateer) who want a place to hang out, everyone just needs to pitch in their fair share. To come and hang out they have to supply food, liquor etc., and if you want a few waitstaff on hand, they all pitch in to pay. Nothing formal should be written up and if someone isn't pulling their wait they cannot partake in the festivities. If they don't have the time to buy the stuff, they pitch in a little more to allow you (or someone else to buy it for them). If you keep it informal (or at least appearing that way), you could avoid the red tape.

This may be easier to discuss over the phone. If you have questions or want to discuss this stuff further, p.m. me you phone number and we can discus it in real time.

There are a number of ways to go about this, you just need to determine what is the best way for you and what you want to acheive.

I'd be more than happy to discuss this further with you.

Kelin

Update for those that give a rats azz.

County is a bunch of idiots getting paid by us to cover the collective asses of other idiots there also getting paid by us.
They have no idea what to do about permits or anything.They can not answer even one question.They want 2600 dollars to research the issues so that it can be brought up at a hearing.

They dont know their job and they want me to pay them to figure it out.
I have been waiting for a call back from them for 2 weeks.2 weeks I have been calling to get my answers.They didn't end up even calling me I just called them to see why they are ignoring me.

LOSERS

sdmason will bartend. although hes only 16 he is one of the most elite irrational thinkers ever and can spur an off-topic idea at his whim.
but hes not apart of this fourm but can easily be found at www.genmay.com

One thing you will learn is the county will never give legal advice regarding permits, zoning etc. They will tell you to hire private counsel to anwer these questions. Befroe choosing counsel, give me a call. While I don't have the name of a local attorney I can give you some tips into what to lok for in a local attorney for what you are looking for. When the county tells you they are "researching the issues", it usually means they are looking for ways to cost you money, not save you money. Do not think that you will have to pay all the costs they suggest without having a competent local attorney review everything first.

I responded to your PM. Call me anytime. I would be happy to discuss this with you at length.

Kelin