I think you mean "an affront."

Hey, I am switching back between here and a weather forum (flhurricane.com), so cut me some slack. : )
I am sure if you went through there, you could find a plethora of mistakes needing corrections, but thank you.

I conceed that we are heading on a tangent… which his fine, however I would still like to post some still frames from my XL2. What is the best way to do this?

Jeffery, click on the image poster at the bottom of the page.
Download the program and follow the directions.

In real short... Everything will be moving to digital except some specialty work.

One of the leaders in the Digital Revolution so to say is Robert Rodriguez, the director of the Spy Kids trillogy, Shark Boy and Lava Girl, Sin City and others. You can hear some of what he says about digital in the extras of on of the Spy Kids DVDs. (I don't remember which one. 2 or 3.) http://www.troublemakerstudios.com/

Digital cameras improve by the day. Digital production is far less expensive and way faster. If you don't like a take, you'll know in a few minutes. The return on film is hours at best. With digital you can literally have your daily rushes in an hour or two after filming. Probably less depending just what you want to look at.

If you are on a tight budget... go digital unless film serves a specific need that digital may not do yet.

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So, Patrick (Not my son, since your vintage exceeds mine by ten years), you are as old as my Minolta II:

Interchangable lens (Leica screwmount) rangefinder.

quote Originally posted by Patrick's Dad: So, Patrick (Not my son, since your vintage exceeds mine by ten years), you are as old as my Minolta II:

Nice camera. Everything from the 50's was built to last.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Nice camera. Everything from the 50's was built to last.

Not the shutter. I have a new laser cut shutter curtain. Just need time to swap it in.

quote Originally posted by Patrick's Dad: Not the shutter.

The rest of that camera looks like it's built like a tank.

quote Originally posted by dezie36: Yes I have every negative of every photo I’ve ever taken saved in one of 4 1"binders. Could you explain for me how you would get a file off your vic20 and put it on your new computer... because I don’t believe they sell a drive for those big flat floppy’s (sorry I don’t remember their name). I cant even get games I played on my 486 to play on my 2+ghz computer...

Big difference between games and images... images have formats, games don't. And just transfer by modem. I still have a pile of 8086 computers, an Amiga 500, a P90, a 286 laptop, a 486 laptop and a 486 desktop, 5 1/4" drives, tape drives etc. Not that there is anything on my Vic-20 or Amiga that I feel a need to transfer to PC type format, but I could just upload them to the net and do what I wanted from there. There are even emulators to run the software on a PC.

As far as cameras, I want a nice high resolution digital SLR camera, I don't develop my own film (my dad did his black and white on movie film he wound himself from the big reels), I just want to take the shot and be able to see what I created. I also don't care about printing them out, I'd rather see and explore them on a screen.

On the other hand, I do collect cameras. I have non digital cameras in various formats, some of which you have probably never seen. Heck, I've got 3 Polariod cameras, from a Pronto, a Sun, and a 340... and the competing Kodak Instant that you can't buy film for do to the lawsuit. Brownies, Brownie Jr., Argus. I've got medium format, 110, 220, 35mm, 620, instant, disc and micro. I've got a variety of different video formats from 8mm windups to auto focusing color sound super8. I love the feel and history of the old cameras, but I don't use them anymore, I'd rather take the photos/movie and have the instant gratification of looking at the screen on the camera or popping the disc into my computer (my Sony FD-91... still my favorite digital due to the optics). I'd love a Canon Rebel Digital SLR tuned for astrophotography.

I was just giving my opinion since it was asked for... not trying to contribute to a flame war.

The question about how I would transfer a video or image file from an ancient computer can relate... playing back old fragile 8mm film... or older commercial movie film formats, especially the explosive ones. Have to have the film and the equipment to show them. Modern digital formats can be easily converted to play on just about any system, just a matter of throwing it through a conversion program, and the process doesn't destroy/damage the original like playing a film does.

quote Originally posted by Scott-Wa: I'd rather take the photos/movie and have the instant gratification of looking at the screen on the camera or popping the disc into my computer

And that’s the problem with the world today... no one wants to take the time to get what they want, let alone work for it.

With photography developing is part of the fun, the process... its where I personally get my most enjoyment out of it. There’s nothing like sitting in the dark listing to my favorite tunes as I create another piece of art, molding it, shaping it... making it as I see it in my head, and doing it all with my hands... not with a computer.

Its like the lost art of sward making... its all done by machine now, except for the few artists out there that still fold the steal with an anvil and hammer and those swards cost 3 or 4 times what a sword made by a machine costs, and if you ask me I think the quality is better plus the sward has an aura around it that you cant put you finger on but you can feel it.

yeah, well all of you old guys are outscored by my pinhole camera.

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I remember making one of those :-)

Patrick, yes, it's a well built machine. The leatherette needs replacement as well, but the optics are nice and crisp (no fungus!)

quote Originally posted by Jeffery: yeah, well all of you old guys are outscored by my pinhole camera.

Well, yeah, I got two of those, too (37.5 and 150mm - and a Zone plate camera), but they are only a few years old. I'm looking to build a pinhole in the neighborhood of 800mm, in 4X5 format.

Ive seen my share of ' adult ' movies and theyre shot both directly on film and video. I prefer the videos because they have more of a real/ authentic look to them and film seems to have more of a phony, staged or fake flavor to them....Pardon any unintended puns.

DOwn the road, I see film becoming an ancient dinosaur like 8 tracks myself.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Ive seen my share of ' adult ' movies and theyre shot both directly on film and video. I prefer the videos because they have more of a real/ authentic look to them and film seems to have more of a phony, staged or fake flavor to them....Pardon any unintended puns. DOwn the road, I see film becoming an ancient dinosaur like 8 tracks myself.

I can see your POV, Roger, but film, pardon the continuing pun, has a "feel" to it that video does not. In the particular genre of which you speak, perhaps it is because a Canon XL-2 is about 1/10 the size of a 35mm movie camera, and, therefore, less imposing. The "actors" do not, so to speak, feel that they have to "perform."

I liken film not to 8Track, but to painting. More than 100 years ago, photography was decried as the end of paint. History has proven that far from the case.

EDIT: Speeling and punctuation;

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