I can't decide if I want to quit or if I want to get fired. I knew I was gonna lose this job as soon as I hired on. Rather, accepted it. As I did, we got a new Grand Pooh Bahh. I have worked for him before when he was just poo. Good thing I really work for myself (shush. They are still giving me a check). Here is the deal. The new Pooh Bahh rules by intimidation. Fine. I can not be intimidated. My work carries me. However, he has put his son on my crew. A snot nosed kid. Long story short (beer to drink), there is a serious nepotism happening. A very fine young man I greatly admire was denied a promotion to a level he did not have the experience for just because he has not done it. I stake my reputation that he is capable and that he has the support and experience of his crew to train him. He was denied because he spoke up about little pooh baah's short comings. Although before, Grand Pooh Bahh respected Ben, Ben is on the $hit list. He did not get the promotion to "Motorman" because the Grand Pooh Baah said he needed someone with experience. Even though the one who got the position that had the experience was willing to train Ben to do it and take the lesser (Ben's) position. Yet.....now his son gets to be motorman. This snot nosed kid has no vehicle and has blown up two of his dad's (grand pooh baah) vehicles because he does not watch guages . Grand Pooh Baah comes in a day early so his son can be on time. I needed a water supply on my pits and son hooked me up to a suction line.... . I played him. He did not want to follow any of my suggestions so I told him to get me water in buckets. Carry them or whatever. Now I am on the $hit list. As if I really frackin care. I can walk away and not have to put up with bull$hit or I can piss on the parade. I lied. I want to get fired. Just the kind of guy I am. I like Ben! I hate the "rule with intimidation and favoritism".
What kind of protection does one have against nepotism ? The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission ? The Labor Board ? I lied again. I do not want to get fired. I want to take this dickhead down some notches.
Ya but does the kid know who has the key to the V door or where you keep the hole softener at. Nepotisim sucks but tha kid is starting out kind of close to the ground, at least he's not starting out at pusher. Keep him away from the brake for a few months, and maybe nobody will end up dead or hurt.
IP: Logged
12:06 AM
NEPTUNE Member
Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
None! And Nepotism is rampant in just about every company also and even political office and up to the Presidency. It sucks! I know. Two of the worst nepotism ran employments are family owned businesses and union shops of any kind.
IP: Logged
06:07 AM
84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
None! And Nepotism is rampant in just about every company also and even political office and up to the Presidency. It sucks! I know. Two of the worst nepotism ran employments are family owned businesses and union shops of any kind.
Be nice Steve, be nice until it’s time to not be nice.
Take a deep breath and count to 10.
Be nice Steve, be nice until it’s time to not be nice.
Take a deep breath and count to 10.
Be nice Steve, be nice until it’s time to not be nice.
Take a deep breath and count to 10.
Be nice Steve, be nice until it’s time to not be nice.
Take a deep breath and count to 10. Wichita I have had all I can stand, and I can’t stand no more.
You ever here of Seniority?
That is a standard operating system used by all Union shops to keep Nepotism at a bay as much as possible, it is better in a Union shop than a family owned business.
You don’t have a clue what you talk about when it comes to unions.
You belonged to one Union in your short career.
Your twisted ideas of how a Union works are so far off base because of your history of being a Union Buster. You crossed a picket line in a Union shop to get a job. Unless you had followed the standard way of getting a job in a Union Shop you don’t have a leg to stand on.
Any statement that you think is fact is something you made up in your mind by your limited experience with one situation. That only you believe to be fact.
Nepotism is held in check as much as is humanly possible by the seniority system.
Be nice Steve, be nice until it’s time to not be nice.
Take a deep breath and count to 10.
Made it.....
------------------ technology is great when it works and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't. Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
IP: Logged
07:15 AM
84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
I'm glad the son's boss doesn't work here that often. When he does, he's out in the field so he's out of my hair. Good kid. Just kind of dense sometimes. Wouldn't last but a couple of days here in the office. Once he fnishes college, I don't know what the boss has in mind for him. Hopefully he's not going to put him here. I'll watch this thread and cheer you on as I say "Down with bad bosses!!!" I wish there was a way to knock bosses down a notch or two. However, what I've found is, especially if the boss is THE boss, there's not a whole lot you can do besides move on. That's what makes situations like this so discouraging. You want justice. But is it worth jeopardizing your own career for it? Then, in the end, most of the time the buttheads get away with what they do. But then again, no one said life is fair. But if it's any condolence, eventually, people who do things like bad bosses do, get what's coming to them. One way or the other. Kind of a what comes around goes around kind of thing. Of course I speak purely hypocritically. I'm dealing with a bad boss situation myself. Sometimes I don't deal well with it either. But I'm slowly but steadily working my way out of it. Keep up the good fight man.
------------------ Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck '87 GT Auto '88 Ferrario
[This message has been edited by whadeduck (edited 05-25-2006).]
IP: Logged
08:08 AM
cliffw Member
Posts: 36759 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by whadeduck: I'm dealing with a bad boss situation myself.
Yes, I have been paying attention.
quote
Originally posted by whadeduck: I wish there was a way to knock bosses down a notch or two.
Oh, there are ways. They have bosses too. An employee can make a boss look good, or......... Heh, I don't need my boss. Except for to make sure I have the tools and supplies to do my job. I actually fulfill the needs and desires of the Mud Engineer who is also hired by the company which hires us. Who both have major pull with the heirarchy above my boss. . Upon their request I will be employed on this rig. I don't usually suck up but I see some sucking up in my future. I also see some major failure in his son's endeavors. , oh so sad. I will be sure to document them. Thing is, Grand Pooh Bahh is a bully with a temper. The enjoyable thing about this is you can see his blood pressure rise when he reacts. So many buttons to push .
quote
Originally posted by whadeduck: But is it worth jeopardizing your own career for it?
Can't happen unless it is my career with him. Then it is more than worth it. Like I said, I am gonna lose my job. Maybe not but if so, it is gonna be fun . I just need to keep my schedule till after the Round-Up. Until then, I will be allowing him to make career altering mistakes.
IP: Logged
09:05 AM
Wichita Member
Posts: 20686 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
In a perfect world seniority would rule over nepotism. Hell, in a perfect world, nepotism wouldn't even exist. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world so sometimes it doesn't work that way. Totally sucks when it happens though. Discouraging when, you do your job, junior doesn't do his, and you take the flack for junior. Grrr is about all I can say. Luckily, your boss has a boss that you could report him to. In smaller companies that's not always possible. In my situation, my boss is THE top guy and owns the company too. So complaining to him about him gets me absolutely nowhere. Either absolutely nothing happesn or there's some kind of backlash for it. But keep up the fight and let us know what happens. Power to the people! Don't the the man bring you down! and all of that motivational stuff.
------------------ Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck '87 GT Auto '88 Ferrario
IP: Logged
10:39 AM
Wichita Member
Posts: 20686 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
So let me get this straight. If a man works for a company for ten years and has the same knowledge to do a job as the bosses son.
Seniority has no place?
The bosses son who just got hired should get the job then right?
This is where seniority would stop nepotism.
Actually it is the other way around. The fat drunk union worker who is buddy buddy with the boss and has his two brothers, uncle, dad, father-in-law, and three cousins working at the same place. When layoffs come around, the nepotism and buddy system people stay and the rest are kick out. Over time, these fat drunk union workers build up so much time that when manager changes, they get to stick around the the younger workers (who come with fresh skills, new skills, and new ideas) get kick out and the fat drunk stays.
That is why you get a problem, like with GM where over 90% of the workforce is over 40 years of age and 75% are over 55.
They don't even give the new guys a chance. They get kick out on first round layoffs, unless they are family members with someone there.
Who you know and who you blow in a union shop.
IP: Logged
11:47 PM
May 26th, 2006
84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
What do you do just make this sht up as you go along and because it’s now in print it must be true?
Somebody shove a Christmas tree up you ass or something?
To say that about all Union workers just goes to show just how twisted your world is.
I had to go in 6 times to get the job at GM. They took the first 10 warm bodies off the street, it didn’t matter who you know.
Lay offs went strictly by seniority. Last higher first laid off.
Next time you post a picture of yourself so I can send it off. You will be the world poster child for planed parenthood.
Because I worked at one and seen it first hand.
Laying off strictly by seniority. LOL. Yeah Right! They don't do that. Let's say that you have 100 1st year workers and 100 5 year workers. Lets say they want to lay off 100 people. You would think that all of the 1st year workers would get laid off right? Nah!
Lets say 50 of the 1st year workers got on the union shop because of family members and people they know, the rest of the 50 got on with their own merit and resume. Those people would get laid off. The second half of the layoffs would go up in the years to the 5 year people and the people in that group that don't have family members or buddy system in place gets laid off.
Want proof. Next time a company lays off workers in a Union shop ask every person that got laid off how many years they work and you will see that it will be a varity of people from 1 year senority to 20 years.
It's who you know and who you blow in a union shop!
You got laid off from GM right? I bet you had some time in and senority and I bet you $100 that there were people that had less senority than you did that stayed.
IP: Logged
08:12 AM
84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
Laying off strictly by seniority. LOL. Yeah Right! They don't do that. Let's say that you have 100 1st year workers and 100 5 year workers. Lets say they want to lay off 100 people. You would think that all of the 1st year workers would get laid off right? Nah!
Lets say 50 of the 1st year workers got on the union shop because of family members and people they know, the rest of the 50 got on with their own merit and resume. Those people would get laid off. The second half of the layoffs would go up in the years to the 5 year people and the people in that group that don't have family members or buddy system in place gets laid off.
Want proof. Next time a company lays off workers in a Union shop ask every person that got laid off how many years they work and you will see that it will be a varity of people from 1 year senority to 20 years.
It's who you know and who you blow in a union shop!
You got laid off from GM right? I bet you had some time in and senority and I bet you $100 that there were people that had less senority than you did that stayed.
Lets see where to start.
First you have no clue what you are talking about as far as layoffs and seniority goes.
Every time I got laid off at any union shop it was by seniority, last in first to go.
You contradict everything you say, every time you open your mouth. A minuet ago you just said seniority was the reason the new guys never got a chance because they were the first to get laid off. Now it’s not who you know it’s who you blow.
What do you do make this crap up as you go along and just because it’s now in print it must be true?
As far as layoffs go you go by seniority right down to the day you got hired, and even then who got hired first on that day.
Sometimes deferent departments will have different seniority levels so you may have a man in one department laid off with a higher seniority than in another department.
But if you are a deferent job classification then there are also rules for seniority layoffs.
If this is what you think you need to wake up and smell the coffee. You have no idea how a real union shop is run and from what I have read don’t beleive anyone other than you.
Go back to your own little pea brained world, because nothing anyone ever tells you will be right no matter how much proof they give you.
You had one bad experience with one Union and say all unions are that way, you have no way to compare.
Or a leg to stand on.
Go back to your own little world.
------------------ technology is great when it works and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't. Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
IP: Logged
09:27 AM
Wichita Member
Posts: 20686 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
I'm sorry! You have no clue what you are talking about. It doesn't work that way. Yes! Senority has a large part of keeping you from getting laid off, but they pick and choose.
Who you know and who you blow in a union shop.
IP: Logged
09:31 AM
84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
I'm sorry! You have no clue what you are talking about. It doesn't work that way. Yes! Senority has a large part of keeping you from getting laid off, but they pick and choose.
Who you know and who you blow in a union shop.
NO NO NO NO NO NO!
You are wrong and anyone at a union shop will tell you so.
Ain’t you got someone else you can try and bull sht?
It is not working here, you spent 3 years at one union shop.
I spent 15 years at GM,
1 year at an AFL CIO shop,
1 year as a teamster,
Steel workers union as the job required,
and all these unions seniority rules, not who you blow.
Maybe at the ONE union shop you worked at it was who you blew, and you just didn’t blow the right guy.
------------------ technology is great when it works and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't. Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
IP: Logged
09:43 AM
Wichita Member
Posts: 20686 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
You are wrong and anyone at a union shop will tell you so.
Ain’t you got someone else you can try and bull sht?
It is not working here, you spent 3 years at one union shop.
I spent 15 years at GM,
1 year at an AFL CIO shop,
1 year as a teamster,
Steel workers union as the job required,
and all these unions seniority rules, not who you blow.
Maybe at the ONE union shop you worked at it was who you blew, and you just didn’t blow the right guy.
Who you know and who you blow.
Plus! Senority doesn't give the best and most productive workers the right to stay. You just have to be lucky enough to stay there longer during the layoff periods. Plus it helps if nepotism got you the job or the buddy system.
Who you know and who you blow in a union shop.
Let me guess! You only got on GM or your other union jobs because you had a family member that got you on or you knew somebody. Admit it.
IP: Logged
10:09 AM
84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
Plus! Senority doesn't give the best and most productive workers the right to stay. You just have to be lucky enough to stay there longer during the layoff periods. Plus it helps if nepotism got you the job or the buddy system.
Who you know and who you blow in a union shop.
Let me guess! You only got on GM or your other union jobs because you had a family member that got you on or you knew somebody. Admit it.
Who you know?
Crawl back under the rock you crawled out from under.
Your perception of life and unions is so far off that it really should be commented on.
Maybe in the union you were in it was that way.
I said before I went to apply for the job at GM 6 times before I got higherd. 5 times they took the first 10 warm bodies off the street, they knew no one. Yet they were higherd because they needed the manpower right then.
My Dad had been at the plant for over 17 years and I got no preferred treatment. As far as getting the job or getting laid off.
You know everything now don’t you Wichita?
Guys I’m sorry for this mans so called knowledge of unions, he has non.
he sees everything in his perception with no willingness to even look at the other side.
------------------ technology is great when it works and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't. Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
Can't y'all just agree that the two of you have had very differing experiences with unions? Perhaps, in one area, even though the idea of why a union exists may be the same, it may be run differently than it is in another area. Where this chapter is run by the book, another one is full of corruption and misdealings. Wouldn't be the first time something like that happened. I know little of unions so I could be wrong.
------------------ Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck '87 GT Auto '88 Ferrario
IP: Logged
02:06 PM
PFF
System Bot
Wichita Member
Posts: 20686 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
I said before I went to apply for the job at GM 6 times before I got higherd. 5 times they took the first 10 warm bodies off the street, they knew no one. Yet they were higherd because they needed the manpower right then.
My Dad had been at the plant for over 17 years and I got no preferred treatment. As far as getting the job or getting laid off.
Try not to take quotes of me that are only half the quote.
------------------ technology is great when it works and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't. Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
IP: Logged
08:26 PM
84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
Plus! Senority doesn't give the best and most productive workers the right to stay. You just have to be lucky enough to stay there longer during the layoff periods. Plus it helps if nepotism got you the job or the buddy system.
Who you know and who you blow in a union shop.
I don't know what union you have been a part of in the past, but if what you say was the norm in your shop... you should have stopped paying the dues.
I worked at GTE (now Verizon) and currently work at SBC (now AT&T)... and seniority makes the world go 'round. Doesn't matter if your the CEO's golden child... if you are not a manager, then seniority is the order of the day. by EVERYTHING. Layoffs, to shifts, to vacation. No room to argue.
As a matter of fact, I want to know what union you were in. Otherwise your 'opinion' reeks of major
sorry dewd... I have been off the forum a while, and was catching up... Cliff is a friend, so I read the thread...
then I read a moron insult something I believe strongly in and *poof* fly the fingers.
Glad I checked back... I meant to also say "Cliff sorry about the work situation." (My whole point in reading for the first place)... and "Cliff, how are things now..." (since this thread went from venting to union mis-information)
Thanks, RPLZ... I honestly meant to say that in the first place!
I just see people do it so often, I was wondering if it was some flaw in the forum software bumping certain threads to the top for them, or something...
IP: Logged
07:55 PM
Jul 21st, 2006
cliffw Member
Posts: 36759 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by blakeinspace: "Cliff sorry about the work situation."
heh......don't worry about me. I would hate for you to be all alone 'cause even I don't worry about me. Although maybe I should. Maybe. I lost the job. In a way that even I did not see coming. I did get fired but not according to plan. The grand pooh bahh even let me write my own seperation paper. He signed it and I still work for the company. . Nice to see you have time for us Blake
IP: Logged
10:37 AM
cliffw Member
Posts: 36759 From: Bandera, Texas, USA Registered: Jun 2003
Originally posted by RWDPLZ: Why do people bump old threads and respond to them like they're new?
I do this somewhat often. There would be many reasons. In this case, it was new to blakeinspace. There was also new information. I should have updated, it was interesting. I vented, my rant was over.
IP: Logged
10:43 AM
PFF
System Bot
Raydar Member
Posts: 40925 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
...lost the job. In a way that even I did not see coming. I did get fired but not according to plan. The grand pooh bahh even let me write my own seperation paper. He signed it and I still work for the company.
Sorry about the firing. Happy that you're still there. Is anybody else thoroughly confused? Or is it just me? (It could easily be "just me". People ask what state I live in and I answer, "confusion".)
IP: Logged
12:43 PM
blakeinspace Member
Posts: 5923 From: Fort Worth, Texas Registered: Dec 2001
Sorry about the firing. Happy that you're still there. Is anybody else thoroughly confused? Or is it just me? (It could easily be "just me". People ask what state I live in and I answer, "confusion".)
Whew, glad I am not the only one! I didn't konw whether to cry or clap!
And Raydar... I gotta hand it to you. I really like the way you joke at yourself. It really helps defuse situations... I've noticed you did it a few times in the 'Israel' thread and I noticed that suddenly heated comment become more civil replies. good call. The forum could take a tip or two from trying to make bully e-personality. Don (maryjane) was pretty good at this too. Must come with age?
Anyway, I'm from 'altered' state... you oughta drive over some day.
IP: Logged
07:08 PM
DL10 Member
Posts: 2350 From: Bloomington IL Registered: Jun 2000
Actually it is the other way around. Over time, these fat drunk union workers build up so much time that when manager changes, they get to stick around the the younger workers (who come with fresh skills, new skills, and new ideas) get kick out and the fat drunk stays.
!
You really don't have a clue what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT..........
It’s true there is nepotism in most union shops, just like there is nepotism in every family run business, state or federal job. But in a union seniority will keep you working instead of getting laid off so the bosses son can stay working.
quote
Originally posted by Wichita: That is why you get a problem, like with GM where over 90% of the workforce is over 40 years of age and 75% are over 55.
They don't even give the new guys a chance. They get kick out on first round layoffs, unless they are family members with someone there.
!
So you think it’s ok to get rid of the older workers because they are keeping younger workers like you from getting a job???
quote
Originally posted by Wichita: Seniority is one of the worst labor concepts that companies are forced to face with because of Unions.
!
They only people who feel that was are the young guy who hasn’t paid he dues and the kiss-as# who likes to as you put it “Blow the Boss”
quote
Originally posted by Wichita: Laying off strictly by seniority. LOL. Yeah Right! They don't do that. Let's say that you have 100 1st year workers and 100 5 year workers. Lets say they want to lay off 100 people. You would think that all of the 1st year workers would get laid off right? Nah!
Lets say 50 of the 1st year workers got on the union shop because of family members and people they know, the rest of the 50 got on with their own merit and resume. Those people would get laid off. The second half of the layoffs would go up in the years to the 5 year people and the people in that group that don't have family members or buddy system in place gets laid off. Want proof. Next time a company lays off workers in a Union shop ask every person that got laid off how many years they work and you will see that it will be a varity of people from 1 year senority to 20 years.
!
Most layoffs go by job class , so a man with 1 year seniority could stay working while another man with 5 years seniority could get laid off if they would be doing different jobs.
I know you won't agree with me either on any of this because you seem to hate unions too much.
I know a lot of people on here feel that way. Unions are no better than the members make them. If you belong to a Union and you are not happy with how it’s run do something about it…. get involved. Run for office and make it better……….
[This message has been edited by DL10 (edited 07-21-2006).]
IP: Logged
08:19 PM
DL10 Member
Posts: 2350 From: Bloomington IL Registered: Jun 2000
Why do people bump old threads and respond to them like they're new?
I didn’t realize it was a old thread. This must be the same thread that I didn’t respond to when it was first posted. I didn’t respond because I knew nothing I said would change anyones mind and I really didn’t want to get in a pi$$ing match. But hey I’m a 30 year union man and proud of it. I get tired of hearing how unions are no good, they are full of old fat lazy men who have priced there selves out of a job. All non union workers should thank the unions for pushing the pay scale up for everyone.
[This message has been edited by DL10 (edited 07-21-2006).]
IP: Logged
08:31 PM
DL10 Member
Posts: 2350 From: Bloomington IL Registered: Jun 2000
heh......don't worry about me. I would hate for you to be all alone 'cause even I don't worry about me. Although maybe I should. Maybe. I lost the job. In a way that even I did not see coming. I did get fired but not according to plan. The grand pooh bahh even let me write my own seperation paper. He signed it and I still work for the company. . Nice to see you have time for us Blake
Sorry to here you lost your job, I'm sure you will find a better one. Maybe you should try a union job
. Grand Pooh Baah comes in a day early so his son can be on time. I needed a water supply on my pits and son hooked me up to a suction line.... 
I'm dealing with a bad boss situation myself. Sometimes I don't deal well with it either. But I'm slowly but steadily working my way out of it. Keep up the good fight man. 
, oh so sad. I will be sure to document them.
