Not a single soul on the internet is going to think "Hey, I wonder what peoples' opinions are on gays", think of PFF, come to this forum, and read this thread. Even fewer (than none) are actually going to read through all 11(+) pages of this **** either.

edit: And so begins the [-]'ing...

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Change doesn't come by those who argue, it only comes to the un-embattled silent whose awareness has been heightened by it. Its not the present I am arguing with but the future I am speeking to.

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: And if anyone thinks they're going to change the world through this topic or their comments, well... god, someone beside me needs to see a shrink.

And do you really think that the rest of us give a hoot what some guy who's been a member here for less than a month believes?

Book another session with the shrink, fella. You need to work on this god complex of yours.

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Not a single soul on the internet is going to think "Hey, I wonder what peoples' opinions are on gays", think of PFF, come to this forum, and read this thread. Even fewer (than none) are actually going to read through all 11(+) pages of this **** either. edit: And so begins the [-]'ing...

And you think that by resrticting others freedom of speech (spacificly in this thread) by threat of giving them a negative is going to make it stop and go away?


You just earned a negative from me for that threat.. Others may rate you amd you wont even know it until you are banned. And being a short timer on this board you are treading on some very thin ice..

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: edit: And so begins the [-]'ing...

Now it's all so clear to me.

I was wondering why you were posting such lame nonsense.

Then you tell me, captain obvious... what is the point of continuing this useless discussion?

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Then you tell me, captain obvious... what is the point of continuing this useless discussion?

You tell us... why are you posting in it?

To get you to shut up, perhaps?

BTW, both of you are much more disliked around here, judging by the fact that your ratings are the lowest I've seen yet (beside under8ted). Might want to get a reality check there. As far as that "god" complex, look who thinks they're going to change the world with a forum topic? Please, do the world a favor, "god", and STFU.

edit: Oh, not to mention getting a few PMs from people thanking me for shutting 84Bill up...

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quote Originally posted by Falcon4: To get you to shut up, perhaps?

Aint gonna happen...

So you one of them religious kooks who believes the rights of business should take presidence over the rights of the people rr are you a gay who feels you are being injured by bad business practices?

Trying to get this pointless topic back on track? Not a chance. Hell, I think I'll ask Cliff to deal swiftly with this topic. To the trash can.

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Trying to get this pointless topic back on track? Not a chance. Hell, I think I'll ask Cliff to deal swiftly with this topic. To the trash can.

Trying to get it off topic... Troll?

Trolls argue just for the sake of arguing.

Hmm... I recognize that description... sounds like, umm... wait, who's the person trying to turn this back into an argument? Ah yes, you. Hi there, textbook troll!

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Trolls argue just for the sake of arguing. Hmm... I recognize that description... sounds like, umm... wait, who's the person trying to turn this back into an argument? Ah yes, you. Hi there, textbook troll!

Again...
Are you one of them religious kooks who believes the rights of business should take presidence over the rights of the people or are you a gay who feels you are being injured by bad business practices?

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quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Might want to get a reality check there. As far as that "god" complex, look who thinks they're going to change the world with a forum topic? Please, do the world a favor, "god", and STFU.

No one's trying to "change the world" here, but to some degree we can change the forum membership to something we can live with. Enjoy your stay Cupcake, it may be short.

wishit was my line but it is an old joke

'''Once there was a marine biologist who loved dolphins. He spent his
time trying to feed and protect his beloved creatures of the sea. One day,
in a fit of inventive genius, he came up with a serum that would make
dolphins live forever!
Of course he was ecstatic. But he soon realized that in order to mass
produce this serum he would need large amounts of a certain compound that was
only found in nature in the metabolism of a rare South American bird. Carried
away by his love for dolphins, he resolved that he would go to the zoo and
steal one of these birds.
Unbeknownst to him, as he was arriving at the zoo an elderly lion was
escaping from its cage. The zookeepers were alarmed and immediately began
combing the zoo for the escaped animal, unaware that it had simply lain down
on the sidewalk and had gone to sleep.
Meanwhile, the marine biologist arrived at the zoo and procured his
bird. He was so excited by the prospect of helping his dolphins that he
stepped absentmindedly stepped over the sleeping lion on his way back to his
car. Immediately, 1500 policemen converged on him and arrested him for
transporting a myna across a staid lion for immortal porpoises.''

there is another version that uses
taking gulls across a staid lion for immortal porpoises

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Question wonder and be wierd
are you kind?

Religion is an illusion. So no, I'm not one of those religious "kooks". And though I couldn't find a girlfriend to save my life (not that I'm looking anyway), I'm not gay either. I fit somewhere in between, someone kinda sick and tired of gays spreading their manlove everywhere they go, then ranting about "intolerance" to soothe their low self esteems.

At any rate, you're the troll here, trying to get people to start arguments with you. Sick bastard.

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quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Religion is an illusion. So no, I'm not one of those religious "kooks". And though I couldn't find a girlfriend to save my life (not that I'm looking anyway), I'm not gay either. I fit somewhere in between, someone kinda sick and tired of gays spreading their manlove everywhere they go, then ranting about "intolerance" to soothe their low self esteems. At any rate, you're the troll here, trying to get people to start arguments with you. Sick bastard.

So as a "defender" of freedom how do you feel about this business not wanting to cut this guys lawn just because he is gay?
No other reason was ever given other than "he was gay."

wishit was my line but it is an old joke

'''Once there was a marine biologist who loved dolphins. He spent his
time trying to feed and protect his beloved creatures of the sea. One day,
in a fit of inventive genius, he came up with a serum that would make
dolphins live forever!
Of course he was ecstatic. But he soon realized that in order to mass
produce this serum he would need large amounts of a certain compound that was
only found in nature in the metabolism of a rare South American bird. Carried
away by his love for dolphins, he resolved that he would go to the zoo and
steal one of these birds.
Unbeknownst to him, as he was arriving at the zoo an elderly lion was
escaping from its cage. The zookeepers were alarmed and immediately began
combing the zoo for the escaped animal, unaware that it had simply lain down
on the sidewalk and had gone to sleep.
Meanwhile, the marine biologist arrived at the zoo and procured his
bird. He was so excited by the prospect of helping his dolphins that he
stepped absentmindedly stepped over the sleeping lion on his way back to his
car. Immediately, 1500 policemen converged on him and arrested him for
transporting a myna across a staid lion for immortal porpoises.''

there is another version that uses
taking gulls across a staid lion for immortal porpoises

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Question wonder and be wierd
are you kind?

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: So as a "defender" of freedom how do you feel about this business not wanting to cut this guys lawn just because he is gay? No other reason was ever given other than "he was gay."

It's his ****ing right! I'm going to move to Canada or Europe or whatever the moment it becomes illegal for businesses to refuse service to people they don't want to serve! It's bad enough businesses have to put up with whiny overweight black women whining their voices out that "My ass doesn't fit in this seat, you have to make it fit!". I've SEEN that **** . The bus driver nearly threw that ***** off the bus, and I was glad! If a business doesn't want to put up with some gay guys hitting on them, that's their damn right. And if a business doesn't want to work with gays, that's their right too. The military can discriminate against gays, as can everyone else.

And I can quote a hundred times in this topic this has already been said. God, this is so ****ing annoying...

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: It's his ****ing right!

Whose right? The gay guys ore the business?

quote I'm going to move to Canada or Europe or whatever the moment it becomes illegal for businesses to refuse service to people they don't want to serve!

You know there was once this little country that did just that... But after a while instead of not doing business with those ****ing people they just rounded them up... and you know what they did???

There was also this other country called America.. Do you know who Rosa Parks was?

quote It's bad enough businesses have to put up with whiny overweight black women whining their voices out that "My ass doesn't fit in this seat, you have to make it fit!". I've SEEN that **** . The bus driver nearly threw that ***** off the bus, and I was glad!

Must be nice to be young and thin... Perhaps one day..

quote If a business doesn't want to put up with some gay guys hitting on them, that's their damn right.

Who says the gay guy was hitting on them? Asking to cut his grass is propsitioning them for sex? Daum... and to think I cut all those ladies lawns and never followed through...

quote And if a business doesn't want to work with gays, that's their right too. The military can discriminate against gays, as can everyone else.

Business don't have "rights" People do.

quote And I can quote a hundred times in this topic this has already been said. God, this is so ****ing annoying...

The by all means.. go for it.

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Part 2:

Make intentionally misleading comments, stated as fact, so the person will flame back with "WHAT? ARE YOU ****ING STUPID??".

quote Originally posted by Falcon4:

You do know about that little country called Germany don't you? At frist the nice german people just refused to do business with them... then they rounded them up and coralled them into a few city blocks... after a while the stench from those nasty dirty people got so bad they built these nifty little "retreats" for them in the back woods... many just vanished...

It was really cool... and you know the military? The US military that you are serving in right now? Well they went and found out and asked the nice German people to stop being so mean.. Kinda nice to know you are one the good guys isnt it?

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: Boon I added you quote to the quotes thread but altered it just a bit... That cool with you?

Cool.
Is it the one where I said, "I'd hit dat like it owed me money!"?

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Cool. Is it the one where I said, "I'd hit dat like it owed me money!"?

LOL
nope but that one should be in there.. Go ahead and add it.

Denial is a river in Egypt.

And people are not born gay.

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Denial is a river in Egypt.

Did you know that there was this guy who wanted his grass cut so he called a local company and asked them to do it.. Did you know that company refused to do it because they felt he would proposition them for sex (or something stupid like that) while working in his yard? So they said no but they would cut his neighbors yard?

Isnt that silly?

quote And people are not born gay.

How do you know? Are you gay?

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: How to flamebait: Ask a question that a person absolutely must answer, lest their manhood be questioned / morals be questioned / etc... then reply in such a way as to they would take your implication as a personal insult. ****ing troll.

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Religion is an illusion. So no, I'm not one of those religious "kooks". And though I couldn't find a girlfriend to save my life (not that I'm looking anyway), I'm not gay either. I fit somewhere in between, someone kinda sick and tired of gays spreading their manlove everywhere they go, then ranting about "intolerance" to soothe their low self esteems. At any rate, you're the troll here, trying to get people to start arguments with you. Sick bastard.

I see why you're not a brain surgeon.

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: And people are not born gay.

How do you know?
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Denial is disbelief in the existence or reality of something.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: How do you know? ----------------- Denial is disbelief in the existence or reality of something.

Because he doesn't know any of them well....

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: Because he doesn't know any of them well....

Ohhh I get it.. De nile.. It's French like the pizza


Ohh bad news Johnny... You posted after Momar laid out his "line of death" at the top of his page... sorry like me, boon rayb and partick you are going to have to die now.. We are all trolls and flamebaiters which seems alot worse because according to isthiswhereiputmyusername we are just flamers..

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: And so begins the [-]'ing...

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quote Originally posted by Falcon4: And though I couldn't find a girlfriend to save my life (not that I'm looking anyway), I'm not gay either. I fit somewhere in between...

So you're bi-sexual?

Sorry, but you probably won't be able to get your grass cut by those landscapers either.

Did I imply that?

I wouldn't want those losers to cut my lawn anyway... religious kooks are almost as bad as gays. *shudder*

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: Did I imply that?

You tell us. It was your words I quoted.

Wow, I never would have thought.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: It's not so much that I find it offensive as ignorant and incorrect. I look forward to reading your source, but I don't think I'd take the work of the New Yorker over that of the AMA Journal.

I still hold that I will do what is in the best interest of the kids and it is MY JOB to try and protect them from harm. As you will see below I was a ways off on the figure but the premise for my decision is quite true.

Here are a couple of links, Frankly I found at least a few that say the opposite of what I said but it is in the wording, yes there are more hetero molestations than homo, but that is deceiving. The conclusion I draw is that liars figure and figures lie. It seems to be agenda driven. I will look at some point for the penitentiary figures because I believe them to be a more accurate accounting.
By the way the AMA is a corrupt money and power driven entity that has been hiding facts and stifling health remedies and medical practice methods since it's inception! I would not believe them about much of anything.

Religious site, but that does not mean the figures are wrong. Also not the estimation of gay males in the population at just 1 to 2%
http://www.lifeandlibertyministries.com/archives/000269.php


Again though hetero number are higher you must take into account the % of the population and numbers become staggering as a statistic.
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_SPECRPT_foster-parent-molestation.html

from PDF at http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/saycrle.pdf
So, lets look at what we have: 19.2 % is definitely heterosexual molestation and 6.3% is definitely homosexual molestation. This equals a ratio of 3:1 (=19.2/6.3) which means that 1 out of 4 (25%) of molestations are by homosexuals and 75% by heterosexuals. The ratio of heterosexuals to homosexuals in the population at large varies greatly from country to country and from one era of human civilization to the next. But the statistical database was from 1991 through 1996 in 12 states of the US, During this time it has been suggested that 2-3% of the population was homosexual. If we use an average of 2.5% we find that 25% of all child molestations were committed by the 2.5 % of the population who are homosexuals. This is an overrepresentation of a factor of 10.

In other words: by using this methodology we find that a homosexual person is 10 times as likely as a heterosexual person to be a child molester.


Again I think the prison records may yield a higher number and am not sure why I can't find them.
I am too tired to look anymore and frankly have lost interest in this topic after coming back home and finding 6 more pages to read from when I left. I will grant you that 200 times as likely is way off,,,,,, I may have been quite wrong on this but that is what I remembered. 10 times as likely should still get your attention though.

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Do you think I would be right or wrong if I said, "I don't think it's wise to let black people near children. They are a bajillion times more likely to be cannibals."

Hehehe that is ridiculous, but point taken. heh

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Like I said, I'm not trying to change your opinion, just correct what appear to be incorrect assumptions and statistics.

My assumptions are not wrong just the figures I used. I will add that it is unfortunate for the non molesting homo's, like any group that is brought down to the lowest common denominator as far as calculating a risk, but hey the price of being wrong is too high for me and at least ten times more likely should not be ignored, and what are they really out other than a baby sitting job? huh?

By the way, the highest figure I saw as a % of the population being gay men was 2.5% so how about chastising these boobs that kept saying 8 to 10%? as ignorant and incorrect?

And hey Falcon, I think it was you who used these stats first, how about a link? or do I just get a (-) for posting again.

quote And hey Falcon, I think it was you who used these stats first

I'd prefer you quote me first...

quote Originally posted by Falcon4: I never would have thought.

That was painfully apparent throughout this entire thread.