quote Originally posted by Falcon4: "This twit did a lot more than that - he probably told others, added a nice flavoring of "Gay Pride" to the whole message, threw it around, watched it pick up momentum among the literal cocksuckers, and enjoyed the hell out of watching the poor landscaper get bombarded with death threats and other BS."

Hehe. After reading this entire thread, this by far is the funniest literary comment. Sounded like it came from a sitcome comedy.

W-w-w-w-w-w-wait a minute. NAMBLA is real? OMG, I thought it was just a South Park thing. Please say it ain't so. Or at least to the extent that South Park presented it. As in men with underage boys.

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: BBL to reply... Gotta date with a hot blond.

Whats his name?

I find it interesting that in the work place gays will get legal protection when they complain about working in a hostile hetrosexual environment. But hetrosexuals apparently can not obtain that same legal protection when they complain about working in a hostile gay environment. There must be some double standard with alternate lifestyles and their demand for society's approval and acceptance by court action.

Next: the sexual attraction to German shepards and the right to cohabitate and become a life partner.

maybe the guy at the landscaping business didn't want to be watched by a gay guy while he was bending over to plant something... who knows. Personally i don't have a problem with gays as long as they don't try to hit on me... I would prefer that they don't kiss and make out in public but i know people have rights... so i just stay away from the known areas around me like new paltz and rhinebeck new york. Hey maybe i can be labeled a homophobe... but i'm ok with gay marriage... hell what makes them so different that thay can't suffer as i have being married to a woman... lol.

And the platypus gathered of this orange rain and presented it to the beer. "Milk! It does a body good". The beer took the orange rain and presented it to the chocolate gods. "Cheers, people of Namilia! For we have embraced the power of the toilet seat and it has brought forth much less than three!", the beer said. The beer then shot the platypus and doused it in ant blood. The people of the beer were happy and ate well that night.

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quote Originally posted by Old Lar: I find it interesting that in the work place gays will get legal protection when they complain about working in a hostile hetrosexual environment. But hetrosexuals apparently can not obtain that same legal protection when they complain about working in a hostile gay environment. There must be some double standard with alternate lifestyles and their demand for society's approval and acceptance by court action. Next: the sexual attraction to German shepards and the right to cohabitate and become a life partner.

That's not true. Heterosexuals are equally protected. The law is written such that sexual harassment doesn't matter if it's gay or straight.

yup yup... google is a wonderful thing sometimes. other times i wish thay would leave out sites like nambla.

Edit: i can't spell to save my life.

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They don't come out and say it, but I would have to think that they mean underage by using the word "boy". Otherwise, it'd be just a homosexual relationship not needing any special definition. I hope that's not a real website.

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No heat, you just don't understand the Biblical definition of incest. It's clearly spelled out but in general terms, "'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations".

More specifically, immediate relatives, mother, daughter, sisters, step siblings, etc.

The government also has laws describing what is, and isn't, incest but generally, once you get beyond first cousins, it's not incest anymore.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Finally_Mine_86_GT: not to screw up everybody's thought process but if the bible was right aren't we all related? and isn't that incest?... ok i know i'm going to get heat for this one but it's just a thought.

How 'bout this? Substitute 'Muslim Extremist' for 'Gay'. Now Muslims are not violent, right? And not all gays are pedophiles, right? Oh, sure not all of them. .. Sooo... how does the whole thing sound now that people who have heard about this are advocating sodomizing the parents kids... isn't that like 'Behead the Infidels'?

quote Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?: Whats his name?

Have you completely lost your last marble?

quote Originally posted by Formula88: NAMBLA Apparently you CAN find anything on Google.

And much like anyone else with any other wants, they can work towards legalizing it if they want... they have been around for decades, since way before the internet. Just like NORML trying to legalize drugs. It's repugnant behavior to you, to me, but guess what... they can promote legalizing it none the less. There have been times in history where it was considered normal apparently. Heck, I find torture of prisoners repugnant, but our vice president is working towards legalizing that...

....(continuing my own thought here...) Now to me, hate is attacking other people, even if it is with provocative words. I'm not really getting that from the landscapers. Hate would be 'Your blood will run in the streets!' or maybe hijacking some planes and flying them into buildings. Refusing to work for someone? That's an American right. No Communist/Socialist command.

quote Originally posted by whadeduck: They don't come out and say it, but I would have to think that they mean underage by using the word "boy". Otherwise, it'd be just a homosexual relationship not needing any special definition. I hope that's not a real website.

It's real. South Park made fun of it (The North American Marlon Brando Lookalikes Association....), but it is real. It is men who want to have sex with boys and feel that laws and social non-acceptance need to be modified or removed to allow for their "Love" relationships. One of the first priests to fall in the Catholic Church up here in Boston was among the first involved; Paul Shanley.

I'm afraid that I can't draw any logical conclusions, or I may get castigated....

quote Originally posted by whadeduck: They don't come out and say it, but I would have to think that they mean underage by using the word "boy". Otherwise, it'd be just a homosexual relationship not needing any special definition. I hope that's not a real website.

You are joking-aren't you? Surely you're not that naive? In case you're serious. These perverts are real and they're trying to get their nefarious activities legalized.

Nope. Didn't know it was a real organization. I must've just missed it on the news, in the papers, etc. and I sure as hell wouldn't have gone looking for it. I knew people like that existed. I just didn't think they would actually broadcast it and create an organization.

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here i thought i was sick when i found out peanut butter and bbq sause sandwiches taste good (long story, very drunk) these dorks are just retarded.

quote Originally posted by Old Lar: I find it interesting that in the work place gays will get legal protection when they complain about working in a hostile hetrosexual environment. But hetrosexuals apparently can not obtain that same legal protection when they complain about working in a hostile gay environment. There must be some double standard with alternate lifestyles and their demand for society's approval and acceptance by court action. Next: the sexual attraction to German shepards and the right to cohabitate and become a life partner.

About 30 yrs ago I worked at a chemical company in which all of the employees (males) took showers. I was 18 yrs old at the time and most of the males were older than me however, two guys at the company where gay. Nobody new this at the time but, these guys where having great time viewing naked men, bending over, grabing soap, hehe. It was one great big porno peek-ka-boo for them (bastards).

Anyway, one guy got a little too excited and stuff hit the fan. Granted, the hetro's where bikers, low-riders, and married men so seeing somebody among the group getting their "jollies" wasn't going over too well. A fight didn't break out but it damn near did. The gay guy made up a story about him thinking of a girl from last night or something, and like most men, they dismissed it....until the next episode!

The other gay guy (who btw was the human resouce director) was spotted hanging out near and around the damn shower area. I can go on as to what happened next, but...you get the point.

What's my point? It was a hostile homosexual environment and some guys where showing with the underwear on when one of the guys entered the showers! In the end, the homosexuals were fired. Oh the company made up some bogus lies but, everybody knew the real reason for their dismissal. One of the gay guy's tried to fight in in court but, I never knew if he received any compensation?


On the other hand, a lawsuit was started by women and soon the company started hiring females. A few males where spotted hanging out near and around the female showers but nobody was ever caught or fired, hehe. Prior to hiring women, the company discriminated against "blacks" in hiring them which btw is the reason why I was hired (bastards). Granted this happened back in the 70's in CA of all places! After college the company folded. Back then it was called, "Plant closure" and now it's called "out sourcing" hehe.

quote Originally posted by larryemory: You are joking-aren't you? Surely you're not that naive? In case you're serious. These perverts are real and they're trying to get their nefarious activities legalized.

From 2002: http://www.massnews.com/2002_editions/03_Mar/21402lib.htm

Excerpt:

quote In the early days of “gay liberation”, 1972, a National Coalition of Gay Organizations adopted a “Gay Rights Platform”. This list of demands included one to repeal all laws governing the age of sexual consent – a matter of some obvious concern to pederasts. “Homosexuality is no sicker than heterosexuality,” proclaimed the Third Number of the NAMBLA Journal, “What is sick is society’s efforts to supress [sic] and persecute it.” In those days, every type of sexual activity was considered equally deserving of “liberation”. As pederast theoretician David Thorstad proclaimed it in the pages of Boston’s Gay Community News in January, 1979: “We should present ourselves not merely as defenders of our own personal rights to privacy and sexual expression, but as the champions of the right of all persons – regardless of age – to engage in the sexuality of their choice. We must recognize homosexual behavior for what it is – a natural potential of the human animal.”

Also, the murder and sodomization (in that order) of ten year old Jeffrey Curley of Cambridge, MA (From karisable.com):

quote Jeffrey Curley, 10, - Oct. 10, 1997 Cambridge, MA -- Salvatore Sicari and Charles Jaynes lured Curley into Jaynes' Cadillac with the promise of $50 and a bicycle. The men made sexual advances, then suffocated him. Sicari was found guilty of 1st-degree murder and kidnapping. Jaynes and Sicari are serving life sentences. January 2001, Robert and Barbara Curley filed a $200 million wrongful death lawsuit against North American Man Boy Love Association -- an organization that defends pedophiles. The lawsuit claims NAMBLA encourage the "illegal rape of young male children," which led to the murder of Jeffrey.

I can't believe this STUPID ARGUMENT has gone on for 5 pages.(again)
Don't you busybodies have anything better to do than to worry/argue about what somebody you don't even know does in their own bedroom?????
Get a life of your own, dudes.

(and NAMBLA has nothing to do with gay marriage. DUH.)

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Hey.. Ive seen the trailer for Broke Back Mountain.. I know what them gays look like. Thems some boy rapers.. anyone got a rope?

It really amazes me what people get their underwear in a bunch over.

The homos are taking over! Protect your kids or they too will become homos! It's all about exposure! If you see or have contact with a homo you risk to become one yourself!

Homos are the vampires of the 21st century! We're doomed!

idiots.

quote Originally posted by edhering: (Don't believe me? Think I'm a bigot? Do a little research. Find out how many pedophiles are homosexuals versus how many are straight, particularly in terms of percentage of parent population. Find out how much of the "gay lifestyle" revolves around promiscuous and frequently anonymous sex. HIV became an "epidemic" in the 1980s because of such practices.) Ed

Worth a repeat! The figure is something like 200 times more likely to molest than a hetro. It's simple math.
That said by no means does that mean that gays are ALL going to engage in that type of behavior, It is just a bajillion times more likely.
I know some gay folks that are pretty decent people but I can't help but think that if they think a gay act is ok what the hell else is going to be ok with them.

Would I allow a gay to baby sit my grandchild? nooop, not a chance in hell. Would I do a remodel job build a house or sell a hovercraft to a gay couple? you bet.

Do what ever you like with your life and with whomever you like (within the law)! just do not think you have a right to MAKE me except it either, then we would have a problem. That is not hate, just indifference until it effects me or our community.

Frankly I thought the email was honest and polite, the gays just did not like what it said, most likely caused by their low self esteem,, which is obviously the basis for the gay pride movement.

quote most likely caused by their low self esteem,, which is obviously the basis for the gay pride movement.

Ahh, there are the words I was looking for earlier.

Now what of that platypus?

I once took a date to see the Golded Gate bridge from undereneath while tied was out. Too my surprise, I didn't know that Breaker's beach was thriving with naked men running on the beach like it was some type of "10" movie. The girl I was with didn't have an issue with it until she saw two guys having oral sex. At that point, I was ready to go. After all, I was the only black guy on the beach wearing leather (coat). Heck, I know when it's time to go...I've seen the Village people, hehe.

At dinner, we had a few chuckles and out of the conversation was this. "If the beach was filled with naked women running everywhere having wanton sex.....the city would shut it down cause there be nobody at work."

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Would I allow a gay to baby sit my grandchild? nooop, not a chance in hell. just do not think you have a right to MAKE me except it either, then we would have a problem. That is not hate, just indifference until it effects me or our community.

Uhh, thats not indifference.. Far from it.. Thats sheer sickening ignorance.

I don’t especially like flamboyant homosexuals, but then again, I don’t especially like flamboyant heterosexuals either. Overly macho guys and brainless bimbos can fall into either category.

I’ve just read the entire five pages of this thread, and I’ve got to say that some of the comments expressed here make me want to puke more than the thought of what gay men might do with each other in the privacy of their own bedrooms.

Initially I was going to quote a few posts and point out the nonsense which was being perpetrated, but as the number of ignorant comments piled up the less I wanted to waste time on them all.

Makes me wonder what some of you guys are the most afraid of - homosexuals, or your own suppressed, latent homosexual desires?

PHOBIA:
–noun:
a persistent, irrational fear of a specific object, activity, or situation that leads to a compelling desire to avoid it.

As usual, the English language, and our use of it, lets us down again.
Phobia is as described above.But, when does 'irrational' have any validity? I presume when a majority consider the phobia to be unfounded.
Now, suppose there are,for example, 10% of the population who are MALE gays.And suppose that 35% of the MALE population consider homosexuality to be acceptable.(I quote MALE gays and population in bold type, because females are not threatened in any way by Gay men, and so therefore their opinions are irrelevant).And I have used rather inflated numbers here to emphasise the point. In my experience, a greater majority of my friends, and acquaintances, more than 65%,dislike homosexuality . Perhaps they are my friends BY that rational? I don't know...
Therefore, one can assume that more than 50% of straight males find homosexuality disturbing, distasteful, or downright objectionable, even perverted.It then becomes apparent that these feelings of disgust, aversion and horror are NOT irrational at all, because a majority of the Male population feel the same way. So forget phobia..it is not, by its own definition, a term that can be applied here.It is NOT irrational AT ALL..only in the eyes of those who seek to condone, or justify homosexuality.
Now, some people STILL consider it a viable term for this HUMAN, and therefore NATURAL( ie instilled in one's being from birth by NATURE, to protect the species) dislike etc ceases to be a phobia, and becomes second nature.Now, apply the statistics in reverse: Something which is indulged in a by a small (minority) amount of MALE humans, suddenly becomes a perversion.(perversion: conduct, attitude or demeanour indulged in by a MINORITY, and contrary to accepted standards of behaviour, as judged by the MAJORITY).
Does being afraid of spiders mean you are scared you will turn into one? Or fear of the thunder and lightning mean you are frightened of becoming a storm?Scared of snakes? Think you might BECOME one if you come into contact with one?Dislike alcoholics, because you might become one? Abhor drug abusers, for fear you might become hooked? No. That is the reality of fear, revulsion or abhorrence.It is something instilled in NORMAL creatures to protect them from something which is not good, HEALTHY , or acceptable.
The comment at the end of the last post by Patrick is SO ridiculous, it doesn't bear arguing about.It is a trite, non-substantiated adage that was seized upon in ignorance by pro-gay lobbyists, and perpetuated by people who don't even attempt to prove, or justify the insinuation behind it.A normal, balanced human male would have NO fear of being contaminated, or converted to the source of their dislike.And NO chance of becoming Gay by association.
I believe that there are many homosexual men, who choose this lifestyle, and never ever try to justify their feelings, because it is good enough for them, and don't need endorsement from others. They keep it to themselves, and show decorum and respect. I know several couples like this, and it is only apparent that they are gay, because they live together, and are constant companions. I don't hate them.I don't like the implications that MIGHT be there regarding their sex life, but they DON'T boast about it, or flaunt it, or DEMAND my approval.They are loyal, and faithful to each other.
On the other hand, seeing the overtly Gay males, flaunting their sexuality (or lack of it, in my opinion), screaming about it at the top of their voices, and dressing in salacious attire, make me SICK. In fact, I believe the majority of these types are pseudo gays, seeking some form of publicity, and wishing to be antagonistic toward straight males in general. THESE are the culprits, for bringing condemnation on ALL homosexuals, by their sickening behaviour.They are not 'real' homosexuals.They are not real people at all. they create, and indulge, in a fantasy World, which causes strife and unrest, and does a disservice to those homosexuals who ARE genuinely attracted to the same sex.The Boy Georges of this World should be shunned,and openly denigrated by us ALL, straight or Gay. THEN maybe there might be a more forgiving attitude amongst straight people toward Gays.
Nick

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quote Originally posted by fierofetish: The comment at the end of the last post by Patrick is SO ridiculous, it doesn't bear arguing about.

And yet that’s exactly what you’re attempting to do. I’m flattered that my comments inspired you to post such a long rebuttal.

Nick, in all seriousness, I’m very sorry to hear that you were sexually molested by homosexual men numerous times as a child. Men who prey on children need to be castrated at the very least.

I don’t wish to get into a debate with you over this topic, Nick. We unfortunately know by now how that usually ends.

quote Originally posted by OH MY GOD WHAT IS THAT??: HOLY **** , it looks like a giant PENIS! IT'S COMING TOWARDS US! Hey, dumbass! Quit quoting me! RUN you moron! Get out of the way! Gah!! STOP QUOTING ME!! GAAAH!!! RUUUUUN!!!!

Cheese is good for your health.

Patrick, I respect you ..just sometimes you say things that..well..yes you are right, we shouldn't argue, but stay friends. I kinda hoped your reply, which I expected as promptly as it arrived ..would be in the vein it was, inspite of my somewhat disparaging dismissal of your comment,and I am glad we understand each other enough to not get embroiled in more heated disputes
I would be quite happy to hear any views you have on the things I posted above: I put them out there for people to debate with me.Debate, not deride, etc.
And thanks once more, for your remarks about certain episodes in my young life. I have alluded to a couple of them in earlier threads, so it hasn't been something that was made up today, or yesterday,to justify my feelings. I still am haunted by those events, at times.I wouldn't wish them on any young child. Oh, by the way, they stopped just as soon as I realised I was able to defend myself Except for one, where I was put at risk by circumstances which I should have realised might invite trouble. Walking home, 13 miles, at night, after my Lambretta broke down in the middle of nowhere.17 years old, and STILL pretty naive, even after all that had happened to me before.That time, I struck back.A youngish man stopped his car, said he knew my brothers, adn would run me home. Then....He parked up in a layby, undid his clothes, and told me what I had to do, to get home safely. He must have thought I was going to acquiesce, because I leaned over to his side...and snatched the keys from the ignition, leaped out the car, threw the keys into a nearby ditch full of water, and ran like hell. Last view I had was of him, knee-deep in the water, groping for his keys...served him right, the bastage.Never had the courage, or perhaps the shame was too much, to ask my brothers if they DID know him. Wasn't the first time some of their 'friends' had hit on me.
Nick

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Live and let live, why cant both parties do that? I don’t care what you do just so you don’t try to force it on me. If we work together and you do your job what do I care. If you ask me to work for you and I am uncomfortable because your making remarks then I am within my rights to move on or turn down the work. No different than telling the hot chick at work what you would like to do to her, you can think it but keep it to yourself. There are lots of people that lead alternate life styles and you would never know. They are happy and share some of the same hobbies that we do. They don’t try to shock us with it.

I’m a white heterosexual male in my early 40s and I’m tired of being labeled a bigot because I’m just trying to live my life the way I want. I don’t force myself on others and just want the same treatment.
I would mow their lawn if they paid me enough but the first comment about my ass and they would have to finish the job.

Here's a cartoon directed more towards some here.

quote Originally posted by JohnnyK: Uhh, thats not indifference.. Far from it.. Thats sheer sickening ignorance.

So if your parents admitted "uncle bob" (use that fictionous name) was your babysitter growwing up, you wouldnt have minded or be mad at them?

A gay person would be lucky to get 100 ft within my kids before the gaydar sets off. Enough corruption and crap going on in the world without helping it. But I know Johnny will disagree with me just for the sake of disagreeing..

quote Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?: A gay person would be lucky to get 100 ft within my kids before the gaydar sets off. Enough corruption and crap going on in the world without helping it. But I know Johnny will disagree with me just for the sake of disagreeing..

There is nothing wrong with you raising your kids in the environment you want. That’s my point, I don’t feel its discrimination. Its your lifestyle and the way you choose to raise your kids, why is it anyone else’s place to tell you any different. As long as your not hurting your kids then everyone else should butt out.

Too bad Mr. Lackey's and Mr. Lord's grass isn't emo...then it would cut itself.

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Who is John Galt?

Im not going to waste most of my time reading through the other 5 pages, and probably wont read anymore after my reply, but i did read the original post by blackrams, and ill throw in my two cents.

People have the right to refuse service to anyone they want to,

to me though, if he refuses service to gays, thats his own business, however for the homosexuals to put down the business as they have, does that make them bigots for the wrong doings they have done to the landscaping company for not appreciating their religious beliefs?

they could have said ok and went their own ways, but it seems to me that these types of things happen cause people cant leave well enough alone....

If i work for someone cause they are a convicted sex offender, do you think im going to worry about it if he calls up all his sex offender buddys and tells them not to hire me? hell no i wont worry, ill be happy i wouldnt ever have to work for someone like that.

the way i look at it, the landscaping company will now have plenty of business with people who have the same ideals and thoughts that they do, and maybe lackey and lord can open up a Gay landscaping business to cater to people with their ideals.

not real sure if any of what i posted will make sense to anyone else but atleast it made sense to me

matthew

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quote Originally posted by isthiswhereiputausername?: So if your parents admitted "uncle bob" (use that fictionous name) was your babysitter growwing up, you wouldnt have minded or be mad at them? A gay person would be lucky to get 100 ft within my kids before the gaydar sets off.

Whos uncle bob.. A gay, or a pedophile, because THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. Because no, I would not be mad at ALL if my babysitter was gay?! I really can't comprehend why you would be? I chill with a gay almost every day, and I'd have absolutely 100% no problem letting him around anybody. Thats the stupidest thing you've ever said. It's amazing.. Simply amazing..

And fierofetish, patrick is talking about reaction formation, which is actually apparently quite common.