hmpf...I married a redhead.....I guess I'm a sicky too....I like her deviantness....
anyways - gay is NOT WRONG but it is also not normal. deviant? yes. deviant being rooted in diverse & deviation. the word carries backage. just like retard. just like ****** .
being gay does not need a cure. it is not contagous, it is not dangerous. and, in fact, some enjoy being gay. there is actualy no reason to actually discuss the reasons/causes of being gay. it doesnt actually matter. we already know there is not once definite thing you can point to, and say "that made him/her gay". and, there will never be a thing you can point to and say "this will keep you from being gay".
so, your not gonna have gay sex. good for you. so, you have gay sex. good for you. the people who really need the help & discussion - are the ones NOT having sex. These are the REAL deviants. these people have the REAL problems.
Guess I'm a sicko too...I think a good looking redhead has a distinctly unfair advantage over other women.
As for the gay thing, why is anyone worried about it? It's a recessive trait, gays CAN'T reproduce, so eventually the trait will supposedly breed itself out (minus the, uh, switch hitters, lol) in a millenium or so... See? Much ado about nothing. If you don't like it, don't get involved with it, pure and simple.
Man, those brownies are good...now I'm REALLY hungry for some Oreos and milk...(wanders off again in search of said 50-lb bag of Oreo cookies)
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
It seems (from a movie standpoint) that the vilians are stereo typed or dipicted as "Blondes or Albino's" to which I don't know why? The dude in the movie, "DaVince Code" and "Blade Runner" were either blonde or Albino. Even Westly Sipes was a Black-blonde vilian, hehe.
I think that was the idea of the thread in the first place before the other discussion took over. That, if these scientists are succesful, it may no longer take a man and a woman to reproduce. But as long as there's spiders to be squished, lawns to be mowed, oil to be changed, and stuck jars to be open, our jobs as guys are safe. lol j/k
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
Originally posted by Vonov: ...Man, those brownies are good...now I'm REALLY hungry for some Oreos and milk...(wanders off again in search of said 50-lb bag of Oreo cookies)
Brownies? Got any more?
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Lol, I stand corrected...it's amazing how many things are now possible, and even commonplace, that weren't when I was born back in the twentieth century...(boy, does that sound odd)
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The question then becomes at what point do you declare a charactistic that differentiates one group of people from another an abnormality or just an identifying characteristic?
I believe this to be the core and key question.
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The question then becomes at what point do you declare a charactistic that differentiates one group of people from another an abnormality or just an identifying characteristic?
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I believe this to be the core and key question.
I'm sure a statistician could come up with a quantitatve answer, but as far as I'm concerned there is none.
Defining a characteristic as either distastefully- or acceptably different is a matter of personal opinion. Unfortunately some will always believe that their personal opinion is also "right" for everyone else as well.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
It seems (from a movie standpoint) that the vilians are stereo typed or dipicted as "Blondes or Albino's" to which I don't know why? The dude in the movie, "DaVince Code" and "Blade Runner" were either blonde or Albino. Even Westly Sipes was a Black-blonde vilian, hehe.
Probably goes back to Hitler's plans for the "Master Race" which was Aryan - blonde hair, blue eyes, of Nordic decent.
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ryan.hess Member
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Guess I'm a sicko too...I think a good looking redhead has a distinctly unfair advantage over other women.
As for the gay thing, why is anyone worried about it? It's a recessive trait, gays CAN'T reproduce, so eventually the trait will supposedly breed itself out (minus the, uh, switch hitters, lol) in a millenium or so... See? Much ado about nothing. If you don't like it, don't get involved with it, pure and simple.
Man, those brownies are good...now I'm REALLY hungry for some Oreos and milk...(wanders off again in search of said 50-lb bag of Oreo cookies)
BTW, my twin sister is a redhead... multiple minority... red headed jewish irish princess. Or in her words... she's not a JAP, she's a JIP.
Gay isn't something that breeds out, it's something that nature keeps trying at different levels like any other variant. I think it's a possible survival trait, we may not understand when and why... but it probably has proven to be an advantage at some point, I can't speculate if it's related to alpha omega type relationships and is a coping thing, if it relieves population pressures or what, but nature tries things for a reason. But the fact that human sexuality and attraction is so varied is one of it's wonders. No sweat off of my back who someone else wants to form a relationship with as long as they are consenting (so no child molesters, even though historically times can probably be found when that was an accepted practice, like the concept of the whipping boy).
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Patrick Member
Posts: 37649 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
Gay isn't something that breeds out, it's something that nature keeps trying at different levels like any other variant. I think it's a possible survival trait, we may not understand when and why... but it probably has proven to be an advantage at some point, I can't speculate if it's related to alpha omega type relationships and is a coping thing, if it relieves population pressures or what, but nature tries things for a reason.
Although this is a whole topic in itself, I wonder what's eventually going to happen in China where it's very, very common for couples to abort or kill (after giving birth) their daughters just because they’re female. Although this disgusting practice occurs in many other countries such as India, female infanticide has gotten much worse in China in the last 27 years due to China’s one-child policy.
Although already quite high, there's going to be a HUGE discrepancy between the numbers of "breeding age" men and women in China in the near future. I wonder if homosexuality and/or homosexual behavior between men will become more common there simply because of fewer options (like happens in prison)? It’ll be interesting to see how this evolves.
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Although this is a whole topic in itself, I wonder what's eventually going to happen in China where it's very, very common for couples to abort or kill (after giving birth) their daughters just because they’re female. Although this disgusting practice occurs in many other countries such as India, female infanticide has gotten much worse in China in the last 27 years due to China’s one-child policy.
what will happen is a population crash, if the practice represents any significant percentage of live births. female infanticide is a very primitive - and effective - method of population control among insular cultures. usually the cultural authorization for it takes some other form - among agrarians, for instance, there's a premium placed on the labor-value of a male - but the programming seems to run deep.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
I'm not clear. Are you guessing or do you know of research that supports............'
1) Gay isn't something that breeds out 2) It's something nature "keeps trying at different levels" 3) It has some value as a survival trait 4) It has proven to be an advantage at some point
If you're guessing (or hypothesizing) that's fine. If you have some type of research to support any/all of these points I'd like to see it.
John Stricker
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Originally posted by Scott-Wa:
BTW, my twin sister is a redhead... multiple minority... red headed jewish irish princess. Or in her words... she's not a JAP, she's a JIP.
Gay isn't something that breeds out, it's something that nature keeps trying at different levels like any other variant. I think it's a possible survival trait, we may not understand when and why... but it probably has proven to be an advantage at some point, I can't speculate if it's related to alpha omega type relationships and is a coping thing, if it relieves population pressures or what, but nature tries things for a reason. But the fact that human sexuality and attraction is so varied is one of it's wonders. No sweat off of my back who someone else wants to form a relationship with as long as they are consenting (so no child molesters, even though historically times can probably be found when that was an accepted practice, like the concept of the whipping boy).
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Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
You're absolutely correct on the population crash, that would be my expectation as well. I have a real problem being too terribly concerned about a country on a competitive production basis that uses infanticide as birth control.................
Oh, wait, we do that here. It's called abortion only we aren't so selective as to sex of the infant............
John Stricker
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what will happen is a population crash, if the practice represents any significant percentage of live births. female infanticide is a very primitive - and effective - method of population control among insular cultures. usually the cultural authorization for it takes some other form - among agrarians, for instance, there's a premium placed on the labor-value of a male - but the programming seems to run deep.
I'm not clear. Are you guessing or do you know of research that supports............'
1) Gay isn't something that breeds out 2) It's something nature "keeps trying at different levels" 3) It has some value as a survival trait 4) It has proven to be an advantage at some point
If you're guessing (or hypothesizing) that's fine. If you have some type of research to support any/all of these points I'd like to see it.
John Stricker
1) almost all gays and lesbians (so far) are children of (nominally) straight parents. and there is no evidence to suggest that the incidence of homosexuality isn't comparitively steady. it is not a genetic "mutation". it is a natural and persistent behavioral variation.
2) homosexual behavior is observed in non-human animals. i assume that's what he's talking about.
3) it may operate as a populaton control... though, given (1) above, it would be more of a built-in governor than an acute environmental response. i've read some other hypotheses and can dig them up if you really require it. personally, i think both ends of that argument are far too reductionist. i feel that i am more than either my genetics or my upbringing.
Originally posted by jstricker: I have a real problem being too terribly concerned about a country on a competitive production basis that uses infanticide as birth control.................
by "competitive production," do you mean industrial or with respect to population?
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by Euterpe: 1) almost all gays and lesbians (so far) are children of (nominally) straight parents.
To be fair, aren't almost all children of nominally straight parents? Sure, there are gay couples that have artificial insemination to give birth or use other methods, but wouldn't the vast majority be from breeder parents?
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FieroOilAnalyst Member
Posts: 719 From: Indianapolis, IN US Registered: Feb 2004
Sorry, a homosexual lifestyle IS deviant behavior. At least according to most dictionaries. For instance, Princeton:
Noun S: (n) pervert, deviant, deviate, degenerate (a person whose behavior deviates from what is acceptable especially in sexual behavior) Adjective S: (adj) aberrant, deviant, deviate (markedly different from an accepted norm) "aberrant behavior"; "deviant ideas"
Since by the most generous estimates much less than 5% of our society lives a homosexual lifestyle, it is a lifestyle that is "markedly different from an accepted norm". That makes a homosexual lifestyle a deviant lifestyle.
I do not, however, choose to classify a homosexual as a deviant because, to me, if you're going to make it synonomous with pervert and degenerate, that implies harm to others. A homosexual person, by their homosexuality, does not necessarily wish to harm anyone any more than anyone else does. I do agree with the part that states "a person whose behvior deviates from what is acceptable". That, to me, is a problem in that a deviant group from the norm is trying to make that deviation in some way "normal".
It is not. It never will be.
Don't argue with me, argue with Princeton and nearly every other dictionary out there if you don't like the term.
John Stricker
Going strictly by what you have put here as the definitions of "homosexual" as printed by Princeton...If you own a Fiero, you are a deviant.
Did you consciously choose to like these little cars or did you just see one and know it was the one for you? Yes, you consciously choose to buy one and maintain it...but that is what keeps you happy right? Owning a Fiero doesn't harm anyone.
Generally speaking, when I've heard the term deviant to describe a person with sexual abnormalities, the term has been referred to as "sexual deviant" which more precisely describes what the person is talking about.
To folks like FieroFetish, homosexuals are considered sexual deviants because he does not agree with how they live their lives.
Let me ask you...if a man and woman are married...and say they got married because they felt they were deeply in love and this was the person for them...yet either one of the couple felt something was missing emotionally. This often turns the marriage to a negative situation where one or both are no longer happy.
If the man or the woman (since homosexuality covers both) meets someone of the same sex and feels comfortable talking about his/her feelings, then an emotional bond forms. If they start spending more time with that person...remember...nothing sexual...is it not possible for that person to realize that the this person...regardless of sex...is what was missing in his/her life?
Obviously divorces happen every day for a variety of reasons. But if a man or woman finds the person that makes them happy on an emotional level, how is that a choice?
For the record...I am straight. I do have gay friends...hey, my wife is a concert violinist and I design theatrical lighting as a side gig. It comes with the territory. The gay friends that I have have been with their partners for many years. If their partner is the person that fulfills their emotional desires to be happy, what does it really matter? How does that hurt you?
Do I want to see a gay couple making out in public? No. But I also don't want to see a man and woman making out in public. That stuff is for behind closed doors regardless.
Most of my family is catholic. I have an uncle that feels that all homosexuals are destined for he!!. He feels that a straight murderer has a better chance of entering Heaven than someone that is gay...regardless of his/her contribution to society.
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
dont even try to explain the how's & why's of someone being gay or not gay. do you know why you like to have sex with girls? or, do you know why you like to have sex with guys? you can try and grasp at reproductive reasons - tho I doubt you have "reproduced" all that much to explain away your liking for sex with girls/guys. and, if you practice ANY kind fo birth control - any reproductive reasons are completely null. I was gonna say do you know why you like girls/guys - but there is the fact that many people dont actualy "like" the gender that they like to have sex with.
I will say that most people like the gender they like because they have been molded that way. sex is just sex. its taking this thing, and putting it in that thing. most people play with themselves. this would imply most people are gay. having sex with yourself is having sex with a member of the same sex.
I can pretty much say, confidently, that EVERYONE is gay at birth. actually - at birth - you will have sex with ANYTHING - if you could have sex. even animals. and, thru your upbringing & environment your taste develops.
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Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
Going strictly by what you have put here as the definitions of "homosexual" as printed by Princeton...If you own a Fiero, you are a deviant.
The definition wasn't for homosexual it was for deviant. Yes, because I own a Fiero, I am a deviation from the norm. Because I've built a Finale I am even more of a deviation.
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Did you consciously choose to like these little cars or did you just see one and know it was the one for you? Yes, you consciously choose to buy one and maintain it...but that is what keeps you happy right? Owning a Fiero doesn't harm anyone.
Yes I did make a conscious, planned decision to build my cars based on a Fiero. I chose it because of it's versatile, mid-engined platform.
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Generally speaking, when I've heard the term deviant to describe a person with sexual abnormalities, the term has been referred to as "sexual deviant" which more precisely describes what the person is talking about.
Then you have been using the term in a very limited way.
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To folks like FieroFetish, homosexuals are considered sexual deviants because he does not agree with how they live their lives.
And that has what to do with my comments?
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Let me ask you...if a man and woman are married...and say they got married because they felt they were deeply in love and this was the person for them...yet either one of the couple felt something was missing emotionally. This often turns the marriage to a negative situation where one or both are no longer happy.
If the man or the woman (since homosexuality covers both) meets someone of the same sex and feels comfortable talking about his/her feelings, then an emotional bond forms. If they start spending more time with that person...remember...nothing sexual...is it not possible for that person to realize that the this person...regardless of sex...is what was missing in his/her life?
I have no idea what you're asking. If you're saying I feel more comfortable talking about some things with my hired hand, for instance, than with my wife, that I'm therefore a homosexual, then you're broadening the definition to the ludicrous.
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Obviously divorces happen every day for a variety of reasons. But if a man or woman finds the person that makes them happy on an emotional level, how is that a choice?
Your comment makes no sense to me, but whatever.
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For the record...I am straight. I do have gay friends...hey, my wife is a concert violinist and I design theatrical lighting as a side gig. It comes with the territory. The gay friends that I have have been with their partners for many years. If their partner is the person that fulfills their emotional desires to be happy, what does it really matter? How does that hurt you?
Where have I said it hurts me?
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Do I want to see a gay couple making out in public? No. But I also don't want to see a man and woman making out in public. That stuff is for behind closed doors regardless.
It's called discretion, propriety, and simple decency. Something our society is losing, IMHO, but that has nothing to do with the topic.
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Most of my family is catholic. I have an uncle that feels that all homosexuals are destined for he!!. He feels that a straight murderer has a better chance of entering Heaven than someone that is gay...regardless of his/her contribution to society.
Then he doesn't understand the concepts of forgiveness and redemption. We are all sinners, all unworthy of heaven, and can get there only through the grace of God and the sacrifice made by Christ. But that's a different topic.
John Stricker
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Vonov Member
Posts: 3745 From: Nashville,TN,USA Registered: May 2004
I was more curious in this situation about how millions of single men will cope over decades of having far too few women to go around from a sociological point of view.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 37649 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
I have a real problem being too terribly concerned about a country on a competitive production basis that uses infanticide as birth control.................
John, I have to admit that I have no idea what you meant by that statement.
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Oh, wait, we do that here. It's called abortion only we aren't so selective as to sex of the infant............
Without debating the reasons and/or ethics of abortion, what we don’t do in western culture is murder female babies after they’ve been born simply because they’re not males.
However, I really didn’t want my initial post to divert the thread topic off into some kind of abortion issue. Female infanticide and China’s one-child policy were only brought up by me to help explain the huge discrepancy between the numbers of men and women in China, and therefore my curiosity in how all these excess Chinese men will/are coping with their sexual and other "relationship" type needs.
Maybe in China it’ll be the men who someday will be able to get pregnant using the new fertility technology.
I was more curious in this situation about how millions of single men will cope over decades of having far too few women to go around from a sociological point of view.
oh. sorry. i have a strong tendency toward literalism, so i missed the second layer of the question.
as to your curiosity... i don't know. and speculation might be... unsavory.
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FieroOilAnalyst Member
Posts: 719 From: Indianapolis, IN US Registered: Feb 2004
Breaking things down by verse? I'll respond accordingly.
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Originally posted by jstricker: The definition wasn't for homosexual it was for deviant.
I should have read better. My bad.
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Originally posted by jstricker:
Yes I did make a conscious, planned decision to build my cars based on a Fiero. I chose it because of it's versatile, mid-engined platform.
That's not what I asked.
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Originally posted by jstricker:
Then you have been using the term in a very limited way.
John Stricker
Where did I say that I have ever used the term? I said, as you quoted, when I've hear the term "deviant" to describe a person with sexual abnormalities, the term has been referred to as "sexual deviant", which more precisely describes what the person is talking about.
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And that has what to do with my comments?
I thought that by this time it was obvious that I was addressing the readers of this thread in general and not just specifically you. My apologies for the confusion.
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I have no idea what you're asking. If you're saying I feel more comfortable talking about some things with my hired hand, for instance, than with my wife, that I'm therefore a homosexual, then you're broadening the definition to the ludicrous.
The point behind my statement is that why is it so much more important that a man and woman be together even if they are unhappy if that man and or woman can find the happiness they need with someone of the same sex. Nowhere did I imply anything about you, your hired hand, or your wife. If you took it that way, then please pinpoint what statement made you feel that I was suggesting that you are a homosexual.
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Your comment makes no sense to me, but whatever.
Of course it wouldn't make sense if you are reading each individual sentence as if it's an individual topic. My reasoning for adding that comment was to cover the bases indicating that I understand that people get divorced for various reasons and that getting a divorce doesn't imply homosexuality. I did this in an attempt to avoid needless line by line analysis. Back fired on me. Again, I apologize if this caused further confusion.
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Where have I said it hurts me?
Again, these comments I made were to the general public reading this thread that are so against homosexuality. Again, I apologize for including this in a response where I originally quoted you and then began to address the public in the middle.
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It's called discretion, propriety, and simple decency. Something our society is losing, IMHO, but that has nothing to do with the topic.
Was this suppose to be a debate to what I said? I suppose all I can respond to on this one is, yes, you are right. I believe there was nothing to debate on the sentence for which your comment referred to.
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all unworthy of heaven, ....But that's a different topic.
Yes, that is a different topic.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
You're correct on the abortion thing, that should have been left out. I think you'll follow why I included it and my thoughts wandered to it when you read the rest of my post.
As to my comments on the competitiveness................
Disregarding the ethical questions completely (not that they don't exist, but let's leave them out for a moment) the Chinese are removing from the population an incalculable wealth of potential for their future. Could one of these infants have been a modern day Theano, or Florence Nightingale, or Marie Curie, Williamina Fleming, Dorothy Hodgkin, or even Chien-Shiung Wu. Some of these names may not be familiar to many, but without them the world and our society would be a far lesser place.
While it's true that we are probably accidentally killing some people with huge talents daily, that's not the same as intentional infanticide that is removing what could be brilliant minds from a competitive gene pool. I'm sure you realize that while we bemoan the loss of manufacturing jobs here in the west (and in many cases rightly so) the future currency will be based on intellectual property and the advances it provides and it's going to be a winner take all scenario, of that I'm convinced.
One also has to wonder about the competitive nature of a society that regards human life in such low esteem. Let's be honest, a society that can condone the killing of infants simply because of their sex is no better off than a society that embraces slavery (which, for all practical purposes, also goes on there). While great things can be done with the whip on the back of a slave (reference things like the Pyramids) a society founded on that will not stand because too large a percentage of their population will never strive for the greatness that might exist within them.
Such are the musings of an old tired farmer from KS. I guess the older you get, the more you recognize and lament the waste of it all.
OK, pretty heavy stuff, I know, so I'm off my soapbox now.
John Stricker
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Originally posted by Patrick:
Without debating the reasons and/or ethics of abortion, what we don’t do in western culture is murder female babies after they’ve been born simply because they’re not males.
However, I really didn’t want my initial post to divert the thread topic off into some kind of abortion issue. Female infanticide and China’s one-child policy were only brought up by me to help explain the huge discrepancy between the numbers of men and women in China, and therefore my curiosity in how all these excess Chinese men will/are coping with their sexual and other "relationship" type needs.
Maybe in China it’ll be the men who someday will be able to get pregnant using the new fertility technology.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
I'm not going to respond to each part but I'll sum up.
Yes, I did read it wrong. I thought you WERE specifically asking me these things. They make much more sense after I've read them in the context in which you wanted them understood. Chalk that one up to a miscommunication. There are a couple of points I'd like to clear up, though.
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Yes I did make a conscious, planned decision to build my cars based on a Fiero. I chose it because of it's versatile, mid-engined platform.
"That's not what I asked."
I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood. You asked:
"Did you consciously choose to like these little cars or did you just see one and know it was the one for you? Yes, you consciously choose to buy one and maintain it...but that is what keeps you happy right? Owning a Fiero doesn't harm anyone."
My answer is yes, I made a conscious decision to like the Fiero for many reasons. I looked at several kits before I decided on the Finale and many of them used the MR2 platform, many of the street rod versions used the Mustang II and Vega components, and I found the Fiero to be the one that, in my mind, logically and most completely met my needs. I only own one stock body Fiero (that's drivable, the rest are parts cars) and that's my race car. I also like it because 1) it's US made and GM made and 2) it's mid-engined. If there were a mid-engined Chevy I might just as likely have that. Or an Oldsmobile. Or even a Cadillac. I prefer GM because I have the diagnostic equipment, tools, and training to work on them and I know them. It really is just that simple.
I do tend to think more with my brain than my emotions on pretty much everything, and that's the answer to your question.
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Originally posted by FieroOilAnalyst: Then you have been using the term in a very limited way.
"Where did I say that I have ever used the term? I said, as you quoted, when I've hear the term "deviant" to describe a person with sexual abnormalities, the term has been referred to as "sexual deviant", which more precisely describes what the person is talking about."
You actually wrote, originally, "Generally speaking, when I've heard the term deviant to describe a person with sexual abnormalities, the term has been referred to as "sexual deviant" which more precisely describes what the person is talking about. ". My bad for saying that you USED the term.
The point is that if you heard of someone as a "deviant" and thought "sexual abnormalities", then you were limiting your thoughts about it BUT that doesn't mean you were incorrect. Since an open, active, homosexual lifestyle IS such a small percentage, it IS "abnormal". Note that's not an indication of right or wrong, but a quantifiable, undeniable fact based on our population.
A person living an open, active, homsexual lifestyle IS living a lifestyle that is a deviation from our standard norm here in the US.
And finally...........
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Originally posted by FieroOilAnalyst:
It's called discretion, propriety, and simple decency. Something our society is losing, IMHO, but that has nothing to do with the topic.
"Was this suppose to be a debate to what I said? I suppose all I can respond to on this one is, yes, you are right. I believe there was nothing to debate on the sentence for which your comment referred to."
No, it wasn't a debate. Quite the contrary, it was in agreement with you. It is called discretion, amongst other things, and applies not just to sexual matters (whether gay or straight) but to thinks like bodily functions, table manners, and a host of other societal rules.
Language is such a hard thing when writing back and forth in posts. Confusion is almost guaranteed and I appreciate your civility and the opportunity to try to get us on the same wavelength.
John Stricker
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Patrick Member
Posts: 37649 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
I guess the older you get, the more you recognize and lament the waste of it all.
I agree, however some people (for whatever reason) unfortunately never contemplate such matters no matter what their age.
I supplied the links that I did (as opposed to simply just stating what I read) in case anyone might like to be further informed. It could be a real eye-opener for anyone who has never heard of such issues to click on and read one or both of those links.
Originally posted by jstricker: The point is that if you heard of someone as a "deviant" and thought "sexual abnormalities", then you were limiting your thoughts about it BUT that doesn't mean you were incorrect. Since an open, active, homosexual lifestyle IS such a small percentage, it IS "abnormal". Note that's not an indication of right or wrong, but a quantifiable, undeniable fact based on our population.
On this one, I don't think of a sexual abnormality when I hear the word deviant alone. In fact, when I hear the term "sexual deviant" I don't think of a homosexual rather but of a person, gay or straight, that simply cannot control his/her own sexual desires. Take for instance, if a person claims to be straight...married to the opposite sex, but requires sex so much that they resort to homosexual behaviors simply to satisfy a sexual desire...I call that a sexual deviant.
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Language is such a hard thing when writing back and forth in posts. Confusion is almost guaranteed and I appreciate your civility and the opportunity to try to get us on the same wavelength.
Yes, I completely agree. You can't see one's facial expressions, tone inflection, or hand gestures on a forum which does in fact make confusion an easy thing to come by.
I don't generally jump into many debates here or on any other forum...I do appreciate the mutual respect.
I still say that anyone that likes the Fiero, for whatever reason, didn't make a conscious decision about it. Either you like it- or you don't.
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jstricker Member
Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
Yes, I completely agree. You can't see one's facial expressions, tone inflection, or hand gestures on a forum which does in fact make confusion an easy thing to come by.
I don't generally jump into many debates here or on any other forum...I do appreciate the mutual respect.
I still say that anyone that likes the Fiero, for whatever reason, didn't make a conscious decision about it. Either you like it- or you don't.
Well...........I like YOU. OH NO MR BILL, I THINK I'M GAY!!!!!!!!!!!
And I REALLY like Euterpe. I sit at home and fantasize about the stimulating.........uh..............discussions (yeah, that's it) we would have as we grew old together.
( I actually suspect one or both of us wouldn't get out of it alive...........)
John Stricker
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Patrick Member
Posts: 37649 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
OH NO MR BILL, I THINK I'M GAY!!!!!!!!!!!
