Are revolvers worth much anymore these days in terms of accuracy and durability. I'm not much of a fan of hand guns but I've always kind of wanted a revolver.
Are revolvers worth much anymore these days in terms of accuracy and durability. I'm not much of a fan of hand guns but I've always kind of wanted a revolver.
My girl has a S&W 60 ls in .38 and its very durable. The barrel is only like an inch long so accuracy is iffy at range. The whole gun is small so its mostly a CC weapon. A bigger frame with longer barrel will give better accuracy and durability.
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Posts: 590 From: Watching a once great nation become a 3rd world slum. The power of stockpiles of ammo. Registered: Jul 2002
Originally posted by The Poopsmith: Are revolvers worth much anymore these days in terms of accuracy and durability. I'm not much of a fan of hand guns but I've always kind of wanted a revolver.
most people are more accurate with a revolver than a pistol if used in single action. but with the heavy and long trigger pull, double action really takes it's toll.
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buddycraigg Member
Posts: 13606 From: kansas city, mo Registered: Jul 2002
Originally posted by Arns85GT: It kind of depends on what kind of pistol you currently use, and what weight of bullet you want. There is a pretty big difference between a .45 and a .380 for instance. ARn
I have thier P99C with QA in 40 S&W....but mostly carry my 1st gen P3AT...I'm also in the market for another CCW piece and looking at the Taurus Judge revolver in the 3" barrel...chambered to take both .410 2-1/2" shotshell and .45 colt.
I have a CHL and have been carrying my Taurus PT145 on my belt for the past 6 weeks with a Don Hume holster. My problem is my waist or lack of. The weight pulls my pants down. With long shirts or a pull over nobody seems to notice that I'm carrying but it is a bother to either have my belt uncomfortably tight or keep pulling my pants up. I paid $289 for it last summer online at Bud's Gun Shop in Kentucky. Shipping and transfer cost another $45. I wanted a .45 ACP for the shotshells. One shot kills on rattlesnakes and I never know when I'm going to see one on the farm. But I would consider a smaller caliber (lighter pistol) for self defense. Accuracy and proper bullets should make up the difference. I shot my best pistol group recently with a friends new Colt 1911A1. Better everything except for the price. The Taurus kicks a little more and the trigger isn't quite as good. But it was affordable, the Colt way over what I could reasonable spend. Everything is a compromise. Edited to spell compromise correctly
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My friend carries his 1911A1 concealed in an inside the pants holster. He lost about 30 pounds recently and I guess he has the room. At one time he was carrying his Glock clipped to the inside of his pants at the small of his back. Way too uncomfortable for me. The Colt looks too big for concealed carry but that what he carries. The two inch longer barrel seems to get more energy from the powder since it has a lower pitch boom rather than the loud bang I hear from my Taurus's three inch barrel.
I think I would go for a single stack 9 mm for concealed carry now, just for convenience sake.
I was using Federal Hydroshocks but bought some Speer 230 grain shortbarrel Golddots yesterday. Maybe the powder will burn more efficiently.
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The Taurus 45/410 revolver looks like it packs a punch either way for self defense. The 3" tube loses some muzzle velocity, but, at short range either round would do the job. The 410 with 000 buck shot sounds like it would be loud enough to scare somebody nearby let alone do major damage.
Arn
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for CC I like my Taurus millenium pro titanium. Under $300 used and holds 12 9mm in the mag plus one in the chamber. Nice gun, can't hit shiz with it outside of 20 yds, but good for its designed purpose. Pretty, too.
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westtexas Member
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The Taurus Judge uses 2 1/2" .410 shells. From what I've heard, buckshot loads in that length are very hard to find and the buckshot penetration is poor. I'd load .45 LC for self defense. On the other hand, light shot in the .410 makes an excellent snake/rat/varmit load.
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JohnF Member
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for CC I like my Taurus millenium pro titanium. Under $300 used and holds 12 9mm in the mag plus one in the chamber. Nice gun, can't hit shiz with it outside of 20 yds, but good for its designed purpose. Pretty, too.
Same gun in 9mm I carry every day in a belt slide or a paddle holster. I have posted my targets up to 21 yards that I used to qualify for my Texas CHL. Obviously, I don't have any problem at all with the accuracy of the weapon. The poster seems to need a liitle help (like a LOT of practice, maybe) All in all I am very happy with the weapon. It goes "BANG" everytime I pull the trigger with good defensive hollow points stuffed in it. My next gun (soon) will be the Springfield XD Subcompact in .45, though. The Millenium Pro is under $300.00. The XD is just around the $500.00 mark.
The Taurus Judge uses 2 1/2" .410 shells. From what I've heard, buckshot loads in that length are very hard to find and the buckshot penetration is poor. I'd load .45 LC for self defense. On the other hand, light shot in the .410 makes an excellent snake/rat/varmit load.
I agree penetration won't be great but hey, who needs penetration at the range a 3" tube is used for? You really want to knock the man down if you get my drift.
Arn
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buddycraigg Member
Posts: 13606 From: kansas city, mo Registered: Jul 2002
Good find on the 2 1/2" .410 000 buckshot shells. Those three pellets would cause damage but check this web page out. They tested the Judge as a shotgun and a revolver. I'm just passing along their findings. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm It's fun reading as are their other "experiments". It's an interesting revolver and I'd like to own one someday...but as a very handy snake gun.
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JohnF Member
Posts: 2622 From: Redeye's Ride is from D/FW, Tx. Registered: Jul 2001
Buddy, research carefully! Go here: http://journal.drfaulken.com/?p=640 This is a good one. Remember first and foremost, you want a weapon that goes "BANG" everytime you pull the trigger under ANY circumstances and in ANY position (including upside down!).
Good find on the 2 1/2" .410 000 buckshot shells. Those three pellets would cause damage but check this web page out. They tested the Judge as a shotgun and a revolver. I'm just passing along their findings. http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot41.htm It's fun reading as are their other "experiments". It's an interesting revolver and I'd like to own one someday...but as a very handy snake gun.
Good article and real informative. thanks,
Arn
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Glock subcompact is available in 45 caliber. But I believe a little out of your price range. Although I don’t think you can put a price on your own safety.
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JohnF Member
Posts: 2622 From: Redeye's Ride is from D/FW, Tx. Registered: Jul 2001
Justin, the Glock is certainly a nice, dependable, effective (in any caliber offering) and very accurate weapon that goes "BANG" every time you pull the trigger. As for a "concealed carry" weapon, though, it does have its drawbacks from the more modern offerings on the market today. While Glock seems to have been riding on its reputation made since the early 1980s (their offerings, other than a wide offering in calibers, haven't changed much since the Glock 17 was introduced). Other manufacturer's have sprung ahead in the eyes of most "experts", including the professional LEOs around the country. The 4+ inch barrel, the over 30 ounces of weight (loaded) make the Glock 23 a bit too large and a bit too heavy for a lot of people to carry as a constant companion when compared to what the market offers. Most modern high-tech "concealed carry" weapons seem to be those with less than 4 inch barrels (nominally about 3 inch) and usually under 20 ounces in weight (loaded). That extra half pound hanging on the belt can get tiring quickly. Also, the Glock's $500.00 + price tag is a bit too steep for the average consumer considering what other options are around. Of course, the age and popularity of the Glock has resulted in a profusion of accessories on the after market shelves. You can find parts and accessories almost anywhere in the U.S.
The Glock in any model or caliber is a good choice, no doubt, but there are many choices equally as good if not better (and possibly a lot less expensive).
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buddycraigg Member
Posts: 13606 From: kansas city, mo Registered: Jul 2002
Originally posted by JohnF: Buddy, research carefully! Go here: http://journal.drfaulken.com/?p=640 This is a good one. Remember first and foremost, you want a weapon that goes "BANG" everytime you pull the trigger under ANY circumstances and in ANY position (including upside down!).
good read, he complained about the long trigger pull. it pulls about the same lengh of my 45, but at a fraction of the weight. i've only dry fired one, so i dont have any opinion about the trigger slap.
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 CALIBER .45 G.A.P. SYSTEM Safe Action  WEIGHT 548 g / 19.33 oz. LOADED (~) 718 g / 25.33 oz.    LENGTH 160 mm / 6.30 in. HEIGHT 106 mm / 4.17 in.  MAG. CAPACITY Standard: 6 OPTIONAL 8 / 10    WIDTH 30 mm / 1.18 in. BARREL HEIGHT 32 mm / 1.26 in.  TRIGGER PULL 2.5 kg / 5.5 lbs. TRIGGER TRAVEL 12.5 mm / 0.5 in.    LINE OF SIGHT 144 mm / 5.67 in. BARREL LENGTH 88 mm / 3.46 in.  BARREL RIFLING right hand, octagonal LENGTH OF TWIST 400 mm / 15.75 in.  
You may want to look at the SIG-Sauer SIG Pro. It is light weight, accurate, dependable and easy to clean. I carry the 2009 (9MM) on a daily basis but it also comes in a .40 Cal. This is a short discription of the guns. http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg46-e.htm I know I got the P2009 below your price point.
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JohnF Member
Posts: 2622 From: Redeye's Ride is from D/FW, Tx. Registered: Jul 2001
Sheesh! Buddy has stated he has about $300.00 to spend and you guys keep recommending guns that cost 500.00 to 700.00! There are MANY reliable "concealed carry" weapons in the $300.00 price range! In fact, some very good "pre-owned" weapons can be had for that price.
Sheesh! Buddy has stated he has about $300.00 to spend and you guys keep recommending guns that cost 500.00 to 700.00! There are MANY reliable "concealed carry" weapons in the $300.00 price range! In fact, some very good "pre-owned" weapons can be had for that price.
I missed the 300 dollar limit.
In that case i might go for a Bersa or a KelTec. A used Glock around here will get $400. My K9 was used, and right at $400 as well.
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buddycraigg Member
Posts: 13606 From: kansas city, mo Registered: Jul 2002
Originally posted by Fierotaz: You may want to look at the SIG-Sauer SIG Pro. It is light weight, accurate, dependable and easy to clean. I carry the 2009 (9MM) on a daily basis but it also comes in a .40 Cal. This is a short discription of the guns. http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg46-e.htm I know I got the P2009 below your price point.
that looks to be too think
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buddycraigg Member
Posts: 13606 From: kansas city, mo Registered: Jul 2002
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All in all I am very happy with the weapon. It goes "BANG" everytime I pull the trigger with good defensive hollow points stuffed in it. My next gun (soon) will be the Springfield XD Subcompact in .45, though. The Millenium Pro is under $300.00. The XD is just around the $500.00 mark.
