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"UNSAT" by 84Bill
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You served 2 years 5 months of service and took the loophole of I'll go hide in the Individual Ready Reserve fro the next 5 years 7 months of your OBLIGATION because you didn't want to train in another skill? Was it by law Honorable Service. YES 100%! I guess if you can live with the fact that you signed up for something that incurred an obligation of 8 years and you chose to take a loophole out of serving the rest of those years by hiding in the IRR rather than serving them out in another skill.....Good for you!

This, /\ /\
and an apology in the same breath??
WTF??
Is this what his whole thing is about? Good God!!. When Vietnam wound down, do you know how many thousands of damn fine Soldiers, Sailors, Marines, and Airmen did the same thing? My own Father enlisted for 4 yrs, in 1945, took the early release 5 Aug 1946 when Truman offered it. Never left the States.Honoraly discharged--His certificate hangs right beside my desk.
It is NO stain on a man's record or honor to have NOT served in combat!!! The military sends people where they need them--period. It is NO stain on a man's honor NOT to re-enlist.
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Originally posted by aceman:

Bill,
a) I apologized.

b) I served in Iraq for 18 months. I've been awarded the Combat Action Badge for imminent danger of hostile fire......MORE THAN ONCE. I have plenty of convoy experience from being in a Transportation Battalion in Iraq. I have other awards for my service over there, so let's not try to smear my combat service.


horaaah. You and several thousand others which makes you a nobody.

Ace, I cant smear your service, woulde never even try. The only person who can do that is YOU and how you act every day!
On this forum, you act like a punk and not the professional soldier I would want nothing more than to have an oz. of respect for.

I could care less if you were awarded the CMH... I'd still have this nasty desire to puke by the way you carry yourself... Mr.. NCO. You are in the SERVICE so freaking act like a servant and not an arrogant pompous jackass who is "entitled" to something. You aint, neither am I and I aint gonna give it to ya. You could run my ass into the ground Sargent and I'd still consider you a POS NCO with no more redeeming value than a litter can.
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Originally posted by aceman:

Bill, are you a current Soldier? Are you in the service? Are you my soldier? NO to any of them....

You are not entitled to anything from me by virtue of my NCO Creed.


Never said I was ace and I even told you that more than once. You only get my respect because you have a few chevrons and maybe a rocker or two.. but as a man and leader.. Sheeeeeeeit ace, I wouldn't follow you into chow hall. You are a very shoddy example.
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Never said I was ace and I even told you that more than once. You only get my respect because you have a few chevrons and maybe a rocker or two.. but as a man and leader.. Sheeeeeeeit ace, I wouldn't follow you into chow hall. You are a very shoddy example.


He apologized Bill and if you thought it was going to make you feel better you should have known better. Apologizes are for those that make them. Did you think it would gain his respect? Why would you want it? Leave it be, You served. Next time you feel slighted remember you know what you did and no one else has anything to say that matters. **** em.

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Hey Bill......what weapon were you qualifying on.....
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Originally posted by 84Bill:


horaaah. You and several thousand others which makes you a nobody.

Ace, I cant smear your service, woulde never even try.


You say his combat service makes him nobody and then say you would never try to smear his service?
Don't complain about someone smearing your reputation and then turn around and do the same to them.

Come on, both of you. You've both served honorably. You both don't like each other. You've both acted like an ass to each other.
I don't think there's much more to be gained from this thread.
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Bill, you say you are re-enlisting? Make sure you are doing it for the right reasons, not just the goading of some A**hole. Aceman, not reconnaissance, not Air Cav, not Infantry? While I realize the importance of transport and the dangers involved in a frontless war, why aren't you as gung-ho to get into an elite unit at the edge as you are to dump on a reservist? As a NONcommissioned officer you should be prepared to accept the decisions of the COMMISSIONED officers who evaluated Bill's case and issued his honourable discharge. Or you could apply for officer training and become a real Leader, then you could publicly challenge the decisions of your superiors, your service and your country. It's easy to dump on others to make yourself feel bigger, but if you really want to feel bigger, challenge yourself. So, when you are an officer leading a group of throatcutters, get back to me, maybe by then you will have learned the value of reservists.
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Originally posted by Cadillac Jack:

Hey Bill......what weapon were you qualifying on.....


Standard issue M-16

 
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You say his combat service makes him nobody and then say you would never try to smear his service?


That is correct. I dont expect you to understand. It's something that is ingrained in you when you serve. You wear the uniform and are no different than anyone else who does the same. The only rank that gets automatic and immediate recognition is an officer but they wear the uniform as well. "We" are all the same. Our blood is red and it doesn't run.

 
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Don't complain about someone smearing your reputation and then turn around and do the same to them.


Who asked you? Did you serve in the U.S. armed forces?

 
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Come on, both of you. You've both served honorably. You both don't like each other. You've both acted like an ass to each other.


Reread the first post. I made a mission statement, that mission has been handed off to the appropriate NCO to be carried out. My part is done... for now. Ace is the one who has the ball from here.

 
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I don't think there's much more to be gained from this thread.


That depends on what you want to get from it. Do you know what you want? I know what I want and I didn't get it nor do I think I ever will considering the individual I am defunking the air WITH. Lets just see how it goes shall we?

Oh and please feel free to go check out some other threads if this one is troubling you that much.

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I woud hijack this thread if it had a different title, but.....
It don't.
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Originally posted by Grandaddy84SE:

Bill, you say you are re-enlisting? Make sure you are doing it for the right reasons, not just the goading of some A**hole. Aceman, not reconnaissance, not Air Cav, not Infantry? While I realize the importance of transport and the dangers involved in a frontless war, why aren't you as gung-ho to get into an elite unit at the edge as you are to dump on a reservist? As a NONcommissioned officer you should be prepared to accept the decisions of the COMMISSIONED officers who evaluated Bill's case and issued his honourable discharge. Or you could apply for officer training and become a real Leader, then you could publicly challenge the decisions of your superiors, your service and your country. It's easy to dump on others to make yourself feel bigger, but if you really want to feel bigger, challenge yourself. So, when you are an officer leading a group of throatcutters, get back to me, maybe by then you will have learned the value of reservists.


I want this for the right reasons.. That I can assure everyone and it just puts an "I just got ****ed" smile on my face when I think about it.

I'm an old man guy but my spirit is very high so we'll have to wait and see what they have for me and I them. If I'm going to marry this biotch she gotta put out as much as I do.

My ASVAB scores do allow me pretty much free reign of career choice in the army. There are only very few occupations I do not qualify for so at this point all options are open. What I want for a flat fact to do is go to Afghanistan. I dont know why but I just have this overwhelming desire to go there...

It's really odd but I have never wanted a "job" this bad in my life, not even the first time I enlisted. Strange huh?
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Originally posted by maryjane:

I woud hijack this thread if it had a different title, but.....
It don't.


Nice...LOL!

It's all yours Don.
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Thanks Bill. Wasn't aware that one qualified out to a 1000m with an M16.
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Originally posted by Cadillac Jack:

Thanks Bill. Wasn't aware that one qualified out to a 1000m with an M16.


Sorry it was the one that when you put the sights on target the target disappears.... which is to be expected and did once the round got there.

All I remember are the two I missed (50 and 250), they are the ones that haunt me the most... Trust me on that.

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Originally posted by Grandaddy84SE:

Bill, you say you are re-enlisting? Make sure you are doing it for the right reasons, not just the goading of some A**hole. Aceman, not reconnaissance, not Air Cav, not Infantry? While I realize the importance of transport and the dangers involved in a frontless war, why aren't you as gung-ho to get into an elite unit at the edge as you are to dump on a reservist? As a NONcommissioned officer you should be prepared to accept the decisions of the COMMISSIONED officers who evaluated Bill's case and issued his honourable discharge. Or you could apply for officer training and become a real Leader, then you could publicly challenge the decisions of your superiors, your service and your country. It's easy to dump on others to make yourself feel bigger, but if you really want to feel bigger, challenge yourself. So, when you are an officer leading a group of throatcutters, get back to me, maybe by then you will have learned the value of reservists.


A) Transportation has the largest dangers in the war in Iraq. (Guess you kinda have to be there.)

B) I MANAGE RESERVISTS. I have for 22 years. I am for all intents and purposes a Reservist.

C) 20 years ago I turned down a commission.

D) I have Sapper and Field Artillery. I've served in the 18th Airborne Corps and a Light Infantry Division...AS A RESERVIST! (Shall I still get back to you or would you like to get back to me?)

So, excuse me for using my 22 years of dealing with Reservists and the BS I've seen to throw out my gut feeling of Bill character of service. From what Bill has presented I was wrong this time and I apologized.
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What I want for a flat fact to do is go to Afghanistan. I dont know why but I just have this overwhelming desire to go there...


Careful what you ask for--I said exactly the same thing when I was 17--about another 'exotic and faraway' place. Got what I wished for and then wished I hadn't.
Ya like camels Bill?
 
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........I'm an old man guy...........
It's really odd but I have never wanted a "job" this bad in my life, not even the first time I enlisted. Strange huh?

Middleaged crazy?
Yur 'sposed to find a young chick to cure this ailment.


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Originally posted by aceman:


A) Transportation has the largest dangers in the war in Iraq. (Guess you kinda have to be there.)

B) I MANAGE RESERVISTS. I have for 22 years. I am for all intents and purposes a Reservist.

C) 20 years ago I turned down a commission.

D) I have Sapper and Field Artillery. I've served in the 18th Airborne Corps and a Light Infantry Division...AS A RESERVIST! (Shall I still get back to you or would you like to get back to me?)

So, excuse me for using my 22 years of dealing with Reservists and the BS I've seen to throw out my gut feeling of Bill character of service. From what Bill has presented I was wrong this time and I apologized.

Thank you again Ace.

Hey, do it again... come on... it feels good.

Seriously Ace. I honor your service as I do everyone else's but please do me a big favor... this is for me. Just behave like an active duty NCO. You may be a reservist but you are a full time reservist... been there done that with the NG. Coulda woulda shoulda dont give a damn bout that right now. My primary focus is on what I want to do next and I need all the positive reinforcement minuse the dead weight I can get. Even from you.

Dare I say.. NOT as we were?
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Careful what you ask for--I said exactly the same thing when I was 17--about another 'exotic and faraway' place. Got what I wished for and then wished I hadn't.
Ya like camels Bill?


It's a heck of a lot different when you have the experience and some prior service. It's not so much a wish as it is a calling... not even that, more like a yelling in my face. ummm yeah... Thats it, yeah... I need that and that needs me so I think this might work out for the better that way. Hard to explain in words but the best I can come up with is I really need to be there and right now or the sooner the better.

 
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Middleaged crazy?
Yur 'sposed to find a young chick to cure this ailment.


Bahh... did that already brutha, downloaded the pics and videos, had cybersex on IM then went out for a beer and shot some pool with the boys... Yes, I showered first... naturally.

Theres nothing holding me here so I'm going to go... like it or not when I get there. I have a mission and I'm on it like ugly on... yo momma.
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Originally posted by aceman:


From what Bill has presented I was wrong this time and I apologized.




 
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Originally posted by 84Bill Thank you again Ace.



So are we all cool? Nobody is re-enlisting just so they have access to long range warheads right? Bill?? LOL

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So are we all cool? Nobody is re-enlisting just so they have access to long range warheads right? Bill?? LOL

Brad


LOL!!!

Ummm... now theres an idea.... Thanks!!!

Oh I'm no doubt at the moment iceberg cool... not even looking for a villain to be killin I'm so big on chillin bro.

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Gotta go do a blood test today at 11:30... Need them cholesterol levels down to normal levels or I'll have yet another month delay.

Damnit man.. I want my gun back.... just eat me!!!! Eat! Me!!!
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There longest army qual target for an M-16 is three hundred meters. I think all of the major players here are a bit full of it. Ace, I can think of only one light infantry unit under the 18th airborne corps so assume you are asserting you served with the 10th?
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Originally posted by Otis249:

There longest army qual target for an M-16 is three hundred meters. I think all of the major players here are a bit full of it. Ace, I can think of only one light infantry unit under the 18th airborne corps so assume you are asserting you served with the 10th?


Reeeeaaaalllllyyyyy!!!! I figured somebody would call that one. God forbid that I call him on that. That would be totally unprofessional of me!

They didn't have a qualification range where you shoot at 1000 meter targets in Army basic training? Huh, would have never guessed. Maybe Bill went to a Marine Corps basic training. I think they go out to 800- 1000 yards with their M-16s.

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Nope, 18th Airborne Corps was when I went to Iraq. 6th ID (L) was when I was a young pup.
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Pretty sure marines shoot to 600, most people cant even SEE an E-type at 1000. So were you with the 10th or the "other" light Infantry unit under the 18th AB Corps?
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Nope, I was in a lowly Transportation Battalion under the 18th Airborne in Iraq. You know, the guys that Bill says sit behind a desk.

I never saw ONE IED in Iraq. (I was up close and personal with more than one.)
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Pretty sure marines shoot to 600, most people cant even SEE an E-type at 1000. So were you with the 10th or the "other" light Infantry unit under the 18th AB Corps?


As far as I know, most Marines still qual @ 500 meters---not including specialized training. I'm too lazy to translate to yards........

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Yep. Designated Marksmen in the Marines(Army's equivilent of a Sniper) go up to 800 meters.

(BTW 1,000 meters is the maximum effective range of an M-16.)
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Reeeeaaaalllllyyyyy!!!! I figured somebody would call that one. God forbid that I call him on that. That would be totally unprofessional of me!



Cadillac Jack Beat both of you to the punch so just get over it... Sheesh.. people just love to nit pick.

Maybe it was a max effective range shot, I honestly dont remember but like I said here I only remember the misses. I do remember having to raise the sight above the target in order to compensate for the drop. It was a very difficult shot as I recall but I nailed it every time.

Whatever the "actual" range was in yards or meters I don't remember but it was the furthest target away.

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Originally posted by aceman:

Yep. Designated Marksmen in the Marines(Army's equivilent of a Sniper) go up to 800 meters.

(BTW 1,000 meters is the maximum effective range of an M-16.)


As a young Lt, I volunteered to help out at Ft. Riley, KS for the All Army Marksmanship Competition. Though, it's a bit blurry in my memory, I distinctly remember being amazed at the marksmanship on display. Watched some veteran snipers put rounds dead center of targets repeatedly the size of coke cans from 1000 meters or yards, can't remember. What I do remember is I didn't want to piss any of them off. Some of the finest marksmen in the world. It was truly amazing. I always thought I was good, qualified as expert with every weapon that was assigned to me but, these guys humbled me quickly.


Bill, I thank you for the time you served this country. Whether you re-join or not matters not to me, I tried, I'm too old, fat, blind to fly for the military again. But, I sincerely believe in the mission.

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It was the 1000 FOOT or 500 yard. Just went and looked.

Should I go back and fix the original post?

 
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Bill, I thank you for the time you served this country. Whether you re-join or not matters not to me, I tried, I'm too old, fat, blind to fly for the military again. But, I sincerely believe in the mission.

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No, thank you Ron. Fat, old etc, if you didn't believe in the mission I'd have a hard time believing you a marine.


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NOW listen up pond scum !! I have served in the USMC , I have served in a foreign army.. I ate as much grunt dirt as any man on the forum I am tigalingling with pride about you Bill,thinking about you my nipples were as hard as a day in russian marine boot camp.. I have just return from a dangerous taco bell run.whereas I had to proceed forward flying thru middle class traffic , a most dangerous burrito eruption,, a real flammer shot out my elderly nether regions and with the power of a L A W back blast almost lifted me from the seat shortly thereafter I was forced to lower the window and with my head hanging out the window like a golden lab retreiver because of a lack of a gas mask I made it home to post this.
every Marine from the clerk to the first pvt.in the 1st fire team ,the first squad, the first platoon,A company ,1st bn,1st regement ,1st division the very point of the spear..all the same..all the jobs are needed to field the Marines & army
BILL I salute you and those like you.. I love the photo of your house with the flag flying
I place little stock in the honorable discharge as long as an able bodied man did his job for at least 6 months
Combat ,,, non combat you served Bill if my sister was not so fat(shes still a fox facially) now I would want you to come and breed her
My dd214 is my loud big mouth !! gung ho ,semper fi ,each and every one of you know the USMC is the best,, the few the proud the loud mouths
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NOW listen up pond scum !! I have served in the USMC , I have served in a foreign army.. I ate as much grunt dirt as any man on the forum I am tigalingling with pride about you Bill,thinking about you my nipples were as hard as a day in russian marine boot camp.. I have just return from a dangerous taco bell run.whereas I had to proceed forward flying thru middle class traffic , a most dangerous burrito eruption,, a real flammer shot out my elderly nether regions and with the power of a L A W back blast almost lifted me from the seat shortly thereafter I was forced to lower the window and with my head hanging out the window like a golden lab retreiver because of a lack of a gas mask I made it home to post this.
every Marine from the clerk to the first pvt.in the 1st fire team ,the first squad, the first platoon,A company ,1st bn,1st regement ,1st division the very point of the spear..all the same..all the jobs are needed to field the Marines & army
BILL I salute you and those like you.. I love the photo of your house with the flag flying
I place little stock in the honorable discharge as long as an able bodied man did his job for at least 6 months
Combat ,,, non combat you served Bill if my sister was not so fat(shes still a fox facially) now I would want you to come and breed her
My dd214 is my loud big mouth !! gung ho ,semper fi ,each and every one of you know the USMC is the best,, the few the proud the loud mouths


God I love this guy.

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Originally posted by loafer87gt:
God I love this guy.


Dammit me too.


Stan, your descriptions are just the best of the best of the best.
It is beyond my comprehension why you have ANY red in your bar. I must admit right here right now that I have the utmost respect for you simply because you command it and wear it very well. Even if you are a wrinkled up old grizzled cripple who pisses his pants on a regular basis, I'd crawl through 1000 meters of pig pen followed by another 10000 of steaming cow manure just to have the honor of changing your depends.

I really need to catch up with you and clink a bottle... I'll even lick the fuzz off the tires on that heffer sis of yours just to see her smile.
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I think Patton was pretty slick too when he said:

When your grandkids ask, "Grandpa what did you do during the War?"

You can reply (bill and others )

"At least I wasn't shoveling s*it in Louisiana." LOL
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Originally posted by 84Bill:

It was the 1000 FOOT or 500 yard. Just went and looked.

Should I go back and fix the original post?


No, thank you Ron. Fat, old etc, if you didn't believe in the mission I'd have a hard time believing you a marine.


1000ft=300m just in case anyone cares at this point.
Accurate 1000m shots are common (10cm groupings) with a .308 sniper rifle in the hands of those that serve that craft. Hitting a 55 gallon drum at 1000m with a M16 with iron sights is a miracle. 1000m=3280ft or .62mi
No matter who did what for how long, thank you all!

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Originally posted by Cadillac Jack:

1000ft=300m just in case anyone cares at this point.



Yeah, but since at least the 80's the Army has not used "feet" for anything dealing with weapons. He missed that 250m but couldn't hit the 1000m. (They're nearly the same size in a sight picture. But that was years ago, Bill. He calls it a 50m target and a 250m target in his original post and then back pedals to mean 1000 foot target. We have the 50m, 100m, 150m, 200m, 250m, and the 1000 FOOT target

Embellishment and Bullsh!t. This is why I questioned your service. You embellish and bullsh!t about everything to include your service and your desire to go back into the service. To you, you come off as if this is a cool job to rake in some cash and spout off your ideals and have fun for a couple years. To me, it's a way of life. My guard goes up when I see the likes of you wanting to come back in to rake in some cash and have some fun. This is serious business, especially these days.

Use the excuse that it was a memory lapse, but that type of stuff does not get lost in your memory.
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Originally posted by aceman:

Yep. Designated Marksmen in the Marines(Army's equivilent of a Sniper) go up to 800 meters.

(BTW 1,000 meters is the maximum effective range of an M-16.)

Effevtive range of the M16A2 is 800m for an area target and 550m for a point target. Sight elevation adjusts from 300m to 800m.
If it matters.


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Originally posted by aceman:

Yep. Designated Marksmen in the Marines(Army's equivilent of a Sniper) go up to 800 meters.

(BTW 1,000 meters is the maximum effective range of an M-16.)


Not exactly an accurate statement, but close enough. Marines have sniper designation--and then a designated marksman as well. Snipers are usually assigned to recon, or independant duty, (and 'other stuff') and DMs are part of a rifle platoon. This is a change that has come about since I was in uniform, but from what I've heard from a friend currently at Quantico, it has worked out well.
just say no--to Maggie's drawers.


In boot camp, I did not too well at Edson Range--sharpshooter. The other 2 years tho, I qualified expert. The missing year was when I was in RVN--we didn't have to go to the range then.
Sorry Bill--I gotta:

The young Marine was weary
and he sought a little rest
With his helmet for a pillow
And his rifle on his chest.
He has seen the gunships fire.
He had heard the cannons roar.
He had seen the Navy's power
as he made his way ashore.
Then he thought about his rifle
And he found it rather small,
With the gunships and the cannons
It was nothing much at all.
The efforts of a rifleman
Meant little, it would seem.
Then, as he slipped to slumber,
He dreamed himself a dream.

The man who stood beside him
Held a musket in his hand
And close around his neck he wore
A heavy leather band.
"When I was on Old Ironsides"
The apparition said
"There were cannonballs and cutlasses
Wherever danger led.
There were pistols too, and daggers
At every fighter's side
When the ships would come together
On the rolling, heaving, tide.
But when it came to boarding,
With the battle fury hot
It was Rifles, always Rifles
That made the telling shot."

The apparition faded
And standing in its place
Beneath a shallow helmet
He saw another face.
"When we were in the trenches
In the wood they called Marine
There were mortars, tanks and cannons,
More than I had ever seen.
But when the final charge was made
To push the Germans back
It was Rifles, always Rifles
At the point of the attack."

The face changed only slightly
And the helmet stayed the same
But the island that he spoke of
Had a more familiar name.
"They hit us very early
On the day the war begun.
On the wings of all their bombers
We could see the Rising Sun.
Our pilots and our gunners
Who fought and fell at Wake
Wrote a story full of glory
That time can never shake.
But when the enemy drew near
To make his final reach
It was Rifles, always Rifles
That met him on the beach."

There next appeared a shadow
In a swirl of stinging snow
And it breathed a fierce defiance
And its eyes were all aglow.
"In Fifty at the Chosin
When the big guns couldn't talk
And the First Marine Division
Took a fighting, freezing walk,
When all the world, except the Corps
Had counted us as gone
It was Rifles, always Rifles
That let us carry on."

The scene was changed to summer
And the face was hard and lean
And the tired eyes were fired
With the light that says "Marine".
"At Khe Sahn when they shelled us
We were wrapped in rolling smoke
And the thought of our survival
Was a grim and ghastly joke.
But when the waves came swarming in
To finish the assault
It was Rifles, always Rifles
That called the final halt."

There next appeared a General
As solid as a tank
With three stars on his collar
to signify his rank.
His stature and demeanor
Were the military type
And in his hand he carried
A stubby little pipe.
His jaw was squarely chisled,
His eyes were clear and keen
And his bearing left no question.
He was all Marine's Marine.

"The message they're conveying"
The burly General said
"Is that through our troubled history
The rifles always led.
We've had cannons, tank and mortars.
We've had weapons by the score,
We've had Battleships and fighter planes
To complement The Corps.
We've a most impressive arsenal.
That's obviously true,
But the final thrust for victory
Has always been with you.
It was Rifles, always Rifles
When The Corps was sorely pressed
And the rifle that you carry
Must meet the final test.
So sling that rifle proudly,
For everything we do
With mortars, tanks and cannons
Is just an aid to you."

The young Marine awakened
And put the dream aside,
Though now he clutched his rifle
With a certain touch of pride.
And then he chanced to notice
That lying near his hand
Was a stubby little pipe
And a heavy leather band.

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Originally posted by aceman:
He calls it a 50m target and a 250m target in his original post and then back pedals to mean 1000 foot target. We have the 50m, 100m, 150m, 200m, 250m, and the 1000 FOOT target

Embellishment and Bullsh!t. This is why I questioned your service. You embellish and bullsh!t about everything to include your service and your desire to go back into the service. To you, you come off as if this is a cool job to rake in some cash and spout off your ideals and have fun for a couple years. To me, it's a way of life. My guard goes up when I see the likes of you wanting to come back in to rake in some cash and have some fun. This is serious business, especially these days.

Use the excuse that it was a memory lapse, but that type of stuff does not get lost in your memory.


Really looking for that pound of flesh for having to apologize aren't ya?

You questioned my service to this country because you are an unprofessional dipshit who has nothing better to do with his time than to troll around looking to stir up a bunch of bullshit because he smells it. Try looking in your shoes, theres plenty of it to go around.

I missed the 50 & the 100.... nothing follows... other than thanks for the corrections.
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Bill,

Two thousand thumbs up and the utmost respect from myself and my family, my father and his two brothers, having served as marines in vietnam.

Good luck with your reinlistment! I know you've got it in ya to open up a major can of whop azz if need be

Dave

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Bill,

Two thousand thumbs up and the utmost respect from myself and my family, my father and his two brothers, having served as marines in vietnam.

Good luck with your reinlistment! I know you've got it in ya to open up a major can of whop azz if need be

Dave



Thanks Dave..

I'm working hard at getting back in. It's not easy trying to get my bod back in shape after having 20 years of "gas ass" and eating stuff that really isnt fit for human consumption on a daily basis. Many bad habits have changed. Gave up coffee, high fat foods (ohh they are the best tasting) for high fiber and started taking walks (up to somewhere around 3 miles now) on a regular basis and doing static exercises. Lost 10 pounds in the last 4 weeks and I can feel the difference. I'm slowly notching it up. Cant take on too much at once but I'm starting to push myself more and more.
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