For a long time I've take crap from an NCO in the U.S. Army as being accused of an "unsat" service in the U.S. Army. This thread is only meant to set the record straight and clear my name. Cliff feel free to close this thread but this IS my way of clearing the air for everyone to see.
I served this country honorably and was discharged as such.
Some of you owe me an apology but I dont expect it at all, the rest of you owe me nothing... Again, I'm doing this to clear the foul stench in the air created by a few people who have nothing better to do with their time than slander my good name and trust.
In any case, I was and hope again to be so honored as to serve you all... even the POS asshats who aren't even worth an oz of reconstituted piss water, I'd still serve you ALL equally and with honor.... though through girted teeth, I can assure you, I will do.
My ARNG service record. Same as the DD214 which shows service length and character.
My DD214
This is my very proud and honorable service record...
Do not thank me, I thank YOU!!!
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Oops Billy, That's from your Basic and AIT. One becomes an Unsatisfactory Participant from not attending your drill weekends. That's why I didn't give a flying rat's butt about your 214. Can you show me and order sending you to the IRR for completion of your 6X2 contract?
So, this proved nothing. Until you can show an order sending you to the IRR, I'll stand by my gut feeling that is based off of 22 years of dealing with all talk former servicemembers like you.
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07:14 AM
aceman Member
Posts: 4899 From: Brooklyn Center, MN Registered: Feb 2003
Oh.. and I need to clarify.. You will very rarely see an ARNG personnel with "expert rifle." I know what I hit on the range, nothing follows.
Block 13 SHARPSHOOTER BADGE (M-16RIFLE) Sharpshooter is awarded for 32-36 out of 40. I see 10-15% of a unit qualify expert (37-40 out of 40) during any given qualification.
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07:19 AM
aceman Member
Posts: 4899 From: Brooklyn Center, MN Registered: Feb 2003
Aceman I don't even care if you're right. You're a Piece of **** and the forum would be a better place with out you.
------------------ Though I am branded a devil in priests clothing I cast not the raiment I wear for I am not beholden to any flock with which any color has been given to me.
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08:42 AM
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Posts: 1623 From: Flipadelphia, PA Registered: Mar 2005
Aceman I don't even care if your right. You're a Piece of **** and the forum would be a better place with out you.
pokey...
You are entitled to your opinion about aceman, but I feel this statement may be a bit uncalled for.
I agree that Aceman can be a bit crude sometimes, but so can you, and Bill.
I am only making a statement. I know Aceman personally. I have worked with him on Fiero and Non-Fiero projects. While he CAN be very opinionated, and I don't necessarily agree with all of his views, I honestly think he is a great guy.
I know you from online. You, bear and myself have had some great games in G:ZH. I may not know you personally, but I think YOU are a great guy as well.
I leave it up to you to decide if you really feel your statement is justified in all of it's context.
As for 84Bill and his service... I have not kept up on the "debate" about his service. I don't CARE about whether he served or not. BUT, if he served the USA, was discharged honorably, and did his job then I thank him for his service. Regardless of Aceman or any else's opinion.
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You are entitled to your opinion about aceman, but I feel this statement may be a bit uncalled for.
I agree that Aceman can be a bit crude sometimes, but so can you, and Bill.
Thats no justification to smear my good name. I was never "unsat" and I do not deserve to be accused of that status. I served HONORABLY and was discharged HONORABLY so the sh!t digging on my service to this country stops now.
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11:38 AM
Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
Thats no justification to smear my good name. I was never "unsat" and I do not deserve to be accused of that status. I served HONORABLY and was discharged HONORABLY so the sh!t digging on my service to this country stops now.
I understand your anger. But you also missed a key portion of my post...
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Originally posted by Synthesis: As for 84Bill and his service... I have not kept up on the "debate" about his service. I don't CARE about whether he served or not. BUT, if he served the USA, was discharged honorably, and did his job then I thank him for his service. Regardless of Aceman or any else's opinion.
Originally posted by Synthesis: I understand your anger.
This has nothing to do with anger and more to do with proof that I do not deserve the accusations regardless of how you tried to justify it for ace. I may be abrasive but I do not slander peoples military service to boost my ego. Ace is currently serving as an NCO and is quite obviously not a very good one.
He does NOT follow the NCO creed when he attacks my character of service in the way that he has.
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No one is more professional than I. I am a Noncommissioned Officer, a leader of soldiers. As a Noncommissioned Officer, I realize that I am a member of a time honored corps, which is known as "The Backbone of the Army". I am proud of the Corps of Noncommissioned Officers and will at all times conduct myself so as to bring credit upon the Corps, the Military Service and my country regardless of the situation in which I find myself. I will not use my grade or position to attain pleasure, profit, or personal safety.
Competence is my watchword. My two basic responsibilities will always be uppermost in my mind -- accomplishment of my mission and the welfare of my soldiers. I will strive to remain tactically and technically proficient. I am aware of my role as a Noncommissioned Officer. I will fulfill my responsibilities inherent in that role. All soldiers are entitled to outstanding leadership; I will provide that leadership. I know my soldiers and I will always place their needs above my own. I will communicate consistently with my soldiers and never leave them uninformed. I will be fair and impartial when recommending both rewards and punishment.
Officers of my unit will have maximum time to accomplish their duties; they will not have to accomplish mine. I will earn their respect and confidence as well as that of my soldiers. I will be loyal to those with whom I serve; seniors, peers, and subordinates alike. I will exercise initiative by taking appropriate action in the absence of orders. I will not compromise my integrity, nor my moral courage. I will not forget, nor will I allow my comrades to forget that we are professionals, Noncommissioned Officers, leaders!
I wouldn't even follow ace to the chow hall and I sure as hell don't respect him because he hasn't earned it from me.
Though I recognize the fact that he had enough points to get where he got... so I recognize his rank. In that, all I can say is pokey hit the nail on the head when he called ace a POS, nothing could be further from the truth of it. In my military mind aceman is undisciplined and lacks the ability to be an effective leader among men which is why he disarms locks on desks instead of IEDs in Iraq where he is needed the most.
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12:09 PM
Synthesis Member
Posts: 12207 From: Jordan, MN Registered: Feb 2002
I rarely, if ever, get involved in threads like this.
I understand you completely. I know where you are coming from with your anger about being slandered. I understand what you are feeling. I do not agree with people who unjustly slander someone's character or reputation without cause.
I agree with you on many things I see you post. Again. THANK YOU for your service.
I do not support Aceman by "justifying" anything he says. I support him, as I know him on a personal level. Not a professional level. I do not know his work habits, I do not know what he is like while on duty.
I am done with this thread. I was only sticking my neck out because I feel that saying "I think you are a POS and you should die", or anything along those lines is childish, immature, and not a good example of what we as a community of people who share at least ONE common interest should represent.
Again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
My Military Background:
I did not even get to finish basic before I ended up in the infirmary due to a bad knee. I was shipped home 2 weeks into basic. I lucked out and was given a waiver to get in, even after a knee surgery, and I ended up failing. It kind of sucks not being able to carry on a military tradition in the family.
One last time Bill. I do not know your Military history, nor do I care. If you served, and you served well, I would like to commend you, and again, thank you for your service to our country. You made it further than I did.
Originally posted by aceman: So, this proved nothing. Until you can show an order sending you to the IRR, I'll stand by my gut feeling that is based off of 22 years of dealing with all talk former servicemembers like you.
Read where it says 2 years, 4 months, 25 days total service.
I went from the De. guard unit to IRR for the remainder of my service career and was then discharged with that "character of service".
Also read character of service, Honorable
Also read the RE code, RE-1
Your accusations that I was "unsat" are unfounded and quite frankly very dishonorable. My record shows my "character" and eventual discharge of service as honorable.
I rarely, if ever, get involved in threads like this.
I understand you completely. I know where you are coming from with your anger about being slandered. I understand what you are feeling. I do not agree with people who unjustly slander someone's character or reputation without cause.
I agree with you on many things I see you post. Again. THANK YOU for your service.
I do not support Aceman by "justifying" anything he says. I support him, as I know him on a personal level. Not a professional level. I do not know his work habits, I do not know what he is like while on duty.
I am done with this thread. I was only sticking my neck out because I feel that saying "I think you are a POS and you should die", or anything along those lines is childish, immature, and not a good example of what we as a community of people who share at least ONE common interest should represent.
Again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
My Military Background:
I did not even get to finish basic before I ended up in the infirmary due to a bad knee. I was shipped home 2 weeks into basic. I lucked out and was given a waiver to get in, even after a knee surgery, and I ended up failing. It kind of sucks not being able to carry on a military tradition in the family.
One last time Bill. I do not know your Military history, nor do I care. If you served, and you served well, I would like to commend you, and again, thank you for your service to our country. You made it further than I did.
Not the first time I've misunderstood someone so dont misunderstand my need for clarification from you. Many times I ask, very rarely do I get a validating response.
Seriously, there is no need to thank me at all and I really, sincerely, honestly do mean it.
Thank you! It was and I hope it will be again my honor to serve you. As I said on post one in so many words. Some are worth more than other but all are equally entitled to what I gave my word to do.
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Originally posted by Synthesis: "I am done with this thread. I was only sticking my neck out because I feel that saying "I think you are a POS and you should die", or anything along those lines is childish, immature, and not a good example of what we as a community of people who share at least ONE common interest should represent"
Just as being accused of "unsat" service is equally as "childish, immature, and not a good example of what we as a community of people." I could just as easily go for the throat and not even bother to hold back how I really feel here but all I want is for the bullshit accusations about my military service to stop and I will stop as well.
I have a creed that I live by as well but it is not as long winded and hollow as the one who accuses me of violating.
I am an American Soldier. I am a Warrior and a member of a team. I serve the people of the United States, and live the Army Values. I will always place the mission first. I will never accept defeat. I will never quit. I will never leave a fallen comrade. I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and proficient in my warrior tasks and drills. I always maintain my arms, my equipment and myself. I am an expert and I am a professional. I stand ready to deploy, engage, and destroy, the enemies of the United States of America in close combat. I am a guardian of freedom and the American way of life. I am an American Soldier.
Aceman called me out, I responded. Yet he still maintains his position and dishonors me. That is the hallmark of a POS.
You have a PM
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Originally posted by aceman: Block 13 SHARPSHOOTER BADGE (M-16RIFLE) Sharpshooter is awarded for 32-36 out of 40. I see 10-15% of a unit qualify expert (37-40 out of 40) during any given qualification.
I hit 38.
Find me a guardsman who is an expert shot and I'll show you soldiers who were accused of murdering innocent civilians because experts hit the target they are shooting at more than 99% of the time. I was not permitted to shoot expert, very few guardsman are.
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Originally posted by aceman: One becomes an Unsatisfactory Participant from not attending your drill weekends
Came close once and had to drive nonstop (18 hrs 1170 miles) from Ft. Pierce Fl to New Castle De and make a drill weekend. Made it there in time for morning formation and left the next day to get back to FL and back to my civ job fixing cars. That was my last drill. Had a chat(a formality) with the retention officers before I left too.
Anyway no, I never missed a drill. Missed a bunch being I was IRR but those are expected while inactive.
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I hit 40. (I did it as a member of the USAF though) and with an M-16 that has .22 cal. adapters. LOL
EDIT: To 84Bills credit.... The thing says "Reason: relocated, no unit within....distance." says nothing NOTHING about unsat. (see above.) ------------------ 1988 Fiero Formula T-tops CJB 143 of 1252 "factory T-top cars" 2010 Pontiac G8 "El Camino" (Im waiting GM....)
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I hit 40. (I did it as a member of the USAF though) and with an M-16 that has .22 cal. adapters. LOL
Daum... I'll never forget missing the 50m. The shot hit the dirt right in front of the target, I was like then the 250 right after that because I was so flustered. Pegged the 1000 every shot though. My D Sgt. Baylock was standing behind me the whole time telling me to hit it again Stewart! Hit it again! I know what I hit and what I missed... Some things (like this) you just never forget. Same with nades. Hit the holes every time but one... It was that foxhole with the lip at the front... No problemo the second throw.. Got me some confirmed commies kills on that one. lol!
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EDIT: To 84Bills credit.... The thing says "Reason: relocated, no unit within....distance." says nothing NOTHING about unsat. (see above.)
It's all there, just like I said many many times.
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06:11 PM
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aceman Member
Posts: 4899 From: Brooklyn Center, MN Registered: Feb 2003
You served in the Delaware Nat'l Guard and the PA Nat'l Guard... Good service for like 2 years 04 month 25 Days. Check! Got it! Good to go! Sent to the IRR because you moved and there was no unit within 50 miles (We'll get back to this, Bill.)
You didn't participate with a Unit in Florida? I could be mistaken, but didn't you say previously that you did serve with a Reserve unit in Florida???
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06:19 PM
aceman Member
Posts: 4899 From: Brooklyn Center, MN Registered: Feb 2003
How's the re-enlistment going? I would imagine if you were UNSAT, you wouldn't be able to get back in. So, once your re-enlistment is completed, that should put any questions to rest.
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06:27 PM
aceman Member
Posts: 4899 From: Brooklyn Center, MN Registered: Feb 2003
How's the re-enlistment going? I would imagine if you were UNSAT, you wouldn't be able to get back in. So, once your re-enlistment is completed, that should put any questions to rest.
DING! DING! DING!
WE HAVE A WINNER! (Partially. Up until 2000, The Army Reserve and National Guard usually just put an Unsat into the IRR and did nothing to "bar" a Soldier from reentering.) And I told Bill that when he posted that Reenlistment....I WOULD APOLOGIZE PUBLICLY!
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06:32 PM
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Posts: 4899 From: Brooklyn Center, MN Registered: Feb 2003
Originally posted by aceman: So what we're getting is half a story.....
You served in the Delaware Nat'l Guard and the PA Nat'l Guard... Good service for like 2 years 04 month 25 Days. Check! Got it! Good to go! Sent to the IRR because you moved and there was no unit within 50 miles (We'll get back to this, Bill.)
Do you know how to read those forms? I mean seriously ace, it's black and white with no hidden meanings or conspiracies for you to capitalize on. You asked to see my papers and there they are. So just get on with the weeping already.
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So you never served in a unit in Florida, Bill? You didn't participate with a Unit in Florida?
That is correct ace. There was no chinook or as I recall UH1units within the allowable travel distance. I was "GIVEN" the option to IRR as a result.
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I could be mistaken, but didn't you say previously that you did serve with a Reserve unit in Florida???
You are mistaken I can assure you. I never served in a Fl guard or reserve unit. I did however have to report to a recruiters office here at one point. I do recall it being on U.S. 1 at the time which is the same office and unit (but different location) I am going to now to resign my happy ass.
I don't really care if Bill served at all after this. I don't care if he went to Florida as a Gaurdsman and received a dishonorable discharge his first day with another unit. That paper shows he was discharged honorably. That's good enough for me. Considering most people never even give a thought about serving this country, I will gladly thank Bill for his service.
The time that anyone serves honorably is something we should all appreciate and respect. Even acemans service. Despite what I think of anyone personally, I respect their service to the country. Its like a senior NCO told me one time, "you don't have to respect the person, you just have to respect the rank" .
Thank you Bill, from a fellow veteran
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06:45 PM
aceman Member
Posts: 4899 From: Brooklyn Center, MN Registered: Feb 2003
I apologize for calling you an Unsatisfactory Participant with the information you have provided.
You served 2 years 5 months of service and took the loophole of I'll go hide in the Individual Ready Reserve fro the next 5 years 7 months of your OBLIGATION because you didn't want to train in another skill? Was it by law Honorable Service. YES 100%! I guess if you can live with the fact that you signed up for something that incurred an obligation of 8 years and you chose to take a loophole out of serving the rest of those years by hiding in the IRR rather than serving them out in another skill.....Good for you!
I still have a gut feeling you served in Florida and there's more to this story.
But, I apologize with the documents laid forth in this thread.
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06:51 PM
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Posts: 4899 From: Brooklyn Center, MN Registered: Feb 2003
aceman must be a really dedicated recruiter! He's not going to quit until he gets more meat!
I've done this for 22 years. Do you know how many BS cases I've seen when previous Soldiers and Recruiters try to make their quota by presenting only the good papers to get into a unit and I pull a file to see the rest of the story????? Gut feelings can be wrong, but they're usually right.
WE HAVE A WINNER! (Partially. Up until 2000, The Army Reserve and National Guard usually just put an Unsat into the IRR and did nothing to "bar" a Soldier from reentering.) And I told Bill that when he posted that Reenlistment....I WOULD APOLOGIZE PUBLICLY!
Can you read the addresses ace? One is in Pennsylvania the other Florida. I left them unblocked for that reason... not to mention no need to in the first place since I no longer live at either.
As I said many many times I had no "unsat", I never missed a drill, I was honorably discharged after my term was completed. There is nothing hidden in my records, I have no reason to lie about it. My service though somewhat short and lack luster was not stellar.. like yours and I certinly dont act like an ass hole which I find disgraceful and very much unNCO like.
As I made clear it explains why you are disarming desk locks instead of IED's in Iraq where you're needed the most. You cant do it because you a jaded unsat NCO who quite obviously lacks the necessary element of leadership ability.
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Originally posted by [QUOTE][B]Originally posted by aceman:
Bill, you started this thread. I think I'm entitled to an answer on the Florida service question.
Typical.. You are entitled to nothing but what I give you when I give it.
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06:56 PM
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Posts: 4899 From: Brooklyn Center, MN Registered: Feb 2003
b) I served in Iraq for 18 months. I've been awarded the Combat Action Badge for imminent danger of hostile fire......MORE THAN ONCE. I have plenty of convoy experience from being in a Transportation Battalion in Iraq. I have other awards for my service over there, so let's not try to smear my combat service.
You stand there wearing the uniform of a US serviceman, wrapping yourself in the flag of the United States of America, then spit on the people that have served and continue to service this great country while holding yourself as being better than them?
You do not serve this country with honor.
You do not know the meaning of honor.
You are a worthless piece of meat hiding in the stolen uniform of a real United States serviceperson, hiding behind the flag as a coward hides behind his mother's skirt.
Ace, I'm done with you, done with replying to you. Don't even think about PMing or emailing me as I will discard both without bothering to open them.
The only thing you accomplish by your namecalling, baiting, insulting, and trolling is to prove beyond a shadow of even the smallest doubt just what kind of loser you really are. My one wish would be that your behavior would be noticed by the people in the Service whose job it is to enforce the NCO creed and that they they would proceed to take whatever action is needed to end your constant degrading of the reputation of this nation's service personnel.
JazzMan
Well said. Jazz. NCOs themselves enforce the NCO creed, if US Army is anything like it is in the USMC.
Aceman. as a senior NCO, you should know more than a little of leadership. Lead by example. Let this go. The man served his time, any more than that is more than any have a right to ask. Including you-including me.
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07:05 PM
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Posts: 9114 From: Clear Lake City/Houston TX Registered: Sep 2001
I apologize for calling you an Unsatisfactory Participant with the information you have provided.
You served 2 years 5 months of service and took the loophole of I'll go hide in the Individual Ready Reserve fro the next 5 years 7 months of your OBLIGATION because you didn't want to train in another skill? Was it by law Honorable Service. YES 100%! I guess if you can live with the fact that you signed up for something that incurred an obligation of 8 years and you chose to take a loophole out of serving the rest of those years by hiding in the IRR rather than serving them out in another skill.....Good for you!
I still have a gut feeling you served in Florida and there's more to this story.
But, I apologize with the documents laid forth in this thread.
Thank you but there was no need to apologize. I was and still am more offended at your accusations than anything else. I DO NOT deserve the mud you slung on "my" dress greens, that upsets me bigtime. I have WAY more pride in my prior service to this country than to allow you to do that as a man, let alone an active duty NCO. Honestly ace, I find your actions no less than utterly repulsive. You took and are still taking this way too far.
Yes, it was an easier option but that does not change the character of my service or even reflect badly upon my abilities as a soldier. Even as a puke guardsman, my boots were polished, my cover was sharply crimped as well as my uniform. I actually took and still do pride in what I do, no matter what it is. I didn't earn myself any medals or even rank as evidenced, never wanted to never felt the need to but I did my job
For some reason you think I'm a slouch but I'm nothing of the sort, it depends on who I'm working with and for. You aint much in my books so don't expect anything of me Mr. NCO. I'd rather empty sh!tcans for 3 years than serve 5 minutes with you and your "nose for BS."
Those are ALL my service records short of my ASVAB scores... Want those too?
(I did it as a member of the USAF though) and with an M-16 that has .22 cal. adapters. LOL
then the 250 right after that because I was so flustered. Pegged the 1000 every shot though. My D Sgt. Baylock was standing behind me the whole time telling me to hit it again Stewart! Hit it again! I know what I hit and what I missed... Some things (like this) you just never forget. Same with nades. Hit the holes every time but one... It was that foxhole with the lip at the front... No problemo the second throw.. Got me some confirmed commies kills on that one. lol! 
and I certinly dont act like an ass hole which I find disgraceful and very much unNCO like. 
