quote Originally posted by Nazareth: They are all out to get you!!!! This is what the 3rd whining a$$ thread you've done in recent months?... perhaps the problem is not "the system" but YOU.. All the edited out words in your post kind of defines your attitude No wonder you keep losing. Thats what losers do. Maybe you should do some shooting... and drinking.. play with a rabid badger or something else fun. You lose because you choose to lose ... anyone not willing to make the effort to improve their station in life simply gets what they deserve...

**** you! I've worked ALL MY ****ING life working my ASS off. I've never stolen anything from anybody, or screwed any one over IN ANY WAY. It's the SYSTEM that's CORRUPT - not me! THAT IS WHY I'M SOOOO ****ING PISSED OFF!!!
Not trying to improve my station in life??? Maybe I would HAVE something if the ****ING THEIVES hadn't STOLEN everything I worked for, OR IF THE GODDAMN POLICE HAD DONE THEIR ****ING JOB IN THE FIRST DAMN PLACE!!!!
I think I will take up drinknig. Then if I drive they'll have something to arrest me for (UNLIKE IN THE PAST WHEN I'VE BEEN ARREASTED FOR **** LIKE DODGING A ****ING HOLE IN THE ROAD!!!

What part of the within 30 days don't you understand? If you couldn't afford to get the car there with a tow or a trailer you should have asked advice from the DMV on how to go about it. Simple really.

No point bitching about a judge enforcing the law as it stands.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: So, I'm supposed to tow it AFTER I got the ticket???

No you should have had it towed there in the first place.........

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Ok, I understand your predicament now. No one in Alabama can have a car. That must be it. No one has ever been able to buy and register a car because you have to have tags to drive it and you can't drive it to the DMV without tags. That must be why I see so many people on horseback on the boulevard in Montgomery.

No one in Alabama can buy a car from out of state, if there is no way to take delivery of it before 30 days - according to the judge.
If you buy a car IN STATE, you don't have to have it inspected in order to tag it. You simply take the PAPERWORK to the DMV & get the tag & title transferred.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Noooo... STATE LAW REQUIRES you to TAKE the car to the DMV to have THEM inspect it!

Here it doesn't, too bad they don't have the 'sheriff onsite' rule there as well. That would make things easier for you guys.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: No one in Alabama can buy a car from out of state, if there is no way to take delivery of it before 30 days - according to the judge. If you buy a car IN STATE, you don't have to have it inspected in order to tag it. You simply take the PAPERWORK to the DMV & get the tag & title transferred.

I might be the odd man out here but I have never purchased a motor vehicle (actually dated the bill of sale and signed/dated a title) without knowing the vehicle would be in my hands in a reasonable time period, usually the same day. Worst case scenerio would be to leave the date open till the transaction was complete. also wondering why the tag you took off the previous car was expired in the first place? Last time I sold a car my tag was current so I just went to the DMV and had it transferred to the new (used) car.

Sounds like the 6 week delivery time automatically put you in conflict with the law, that and the fact that the tag you chose to put on the car once you recieved it was expired. Just having a hard time seeing where anyone other than you were at fault.......

As far as the hard time you have faced in your life, I could write a trilogy! I choose to deal with what life throws my way and try to make the best of things.
Short rundown, got runover by a car while my girlfriend and I were riding a motorcycle, broke her back and learned me what road rash really is. Involves twezzers pulling asphalt and debris from my back, still have patches where hair will not grow (this could be considered a good thing LOL), broken collar bone and left hand. First wife left me for my best friend who was also the best man at the wedding (guess he really was the best man!). Second wife left me and 4 kids for the coke dealer nextdoor, lost my house, was laid off from my job, filed bankruptsy, and ended up with my kids and I living with my mother, all within a year! About 4 years later I was served papers that told me my ex was taking the children back, she decided she wanted to be a mommy again, the judge agreed (because daughters should be with their mother regardless of her past actions). Was just getting over that when I had congestive heart failure. Still fighting to get disability over two years later and now my health is on the mend and hopes of collecting the disability that would somewhat offset the past two years of being unable to work seems to be dwindling. Bad knees from football, thumb on left hand is torn out of the joint and only solution beside dealing with the discomfort would be to have it fused. I'm 44 yrs old, have no monetary assets to speak of, bad health, would seem to have questionable luck (depends on your point of view) and am taking things one day at a time. Have had several run ins with the law when I was younger (they did give me my guns back though LOL) but have never blamed them for my missfortune. Oh, and when I was little I didn't get what I wanted for christmas one year!
Like I said I could write a series of books on what has gone wrong, I just hit a few of the highlights, the details would make a great lifetime movie. LOL But I am sure there are plenty of others that have had just as hard a life if not much worse. Lifes not fair, never has been, never will be! What makes us who we are is how we deal with these things, sometimes it's tough to stand up and be all you really can be but as long as you never give up......... well I think theres an old saying that goes something like "these things too will pass". Try to look at the positives in your life and not dwell on the negative, no matter how the bad seems to outweigh the good, good always wins if you let it!
I have friends and family, more than some, and as of right now tomorrow presents another opportunity for things to get better!

Oh crap, I'm not even sure what I was talking about now, I think I have gone to far, I am rambling!
Daves not back, he never left!

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quote Originally posted by DRA: I might be the odd man out here but I have never purchased a motor vehicle (actually dated the bill of sale and signed/dated a title) without knowing the vehicle would be in my hands in a reasonable time period, usually the same day. Worst case scenerio would be to leave the date open till the transaction was complete. also wondering why the tag you took off the previous car was expired in the first place? Last time I sold a car my tag was current so I just went to the DMV and had it transferred to the new (used) car. Sounds like the 6 week delivery time automatically put you in conflict with the law, that and the fact that the tag you chose to put on the car once you recieved it was expired. Just having a hard time seeing where anyone other than you were at fault....... Try to look at the positives in your life and not dwell on the negative, no matter how the bad seems to outweigh the good, good always wins if you let it!

Well I didn't have a truck dependable enough to go get the car, so I had someone else deliver it. They are very busy, & it took that long to get it. They were the quickest of the three guys that my brother had been using to pickup his cars.
The tag was expired because I had sold the car over a year before that. Did you expect me to renew a tag even when I don't have the car? I didn't think so...
Delivery time notwithstanding, the LAW still requires you to take the car to the DMV for them to inspect it.
One thing I didn't mention: I told the lady at the tag office & SHE COULDN'T BELIEVE I GOT A TICKET BRINGING THE CAR THERE (that's what she told me). Nor could ANYONE else I told about it. Seems EVERYONE knows the law EXCEPT the Ft. Payne police dept.! Then, of course, she said she HAD TO CHARGE ME $15 EXTRA, because I GOT A TICKET FOR DRIVING WITHOUT A TAG!!! What the HELL???
So I am not the ONLY one that thinks I got a raw deal - EVERYONE ELSE IN ALABAMA THINKS SO TOO!!!
I also didn't mention: When I told the cop (I almost typed "officer" - damn sure don't want to show him any respect) about the STATE LAW, he said QUOTE "I've never heard of such a thing!". If the ****ing COP new the state law he would have never even given me a ticket in the first place! Of course, he could have CHECKED the law, to see that I was telling the truth, or he could have FOLLOWED me to the tag office to check it & confirm that it was where I was going, but NOOOOO. He's the GESTAPO, after all, & does WHATEVER HE WANTS. And the same with the judge: he does WHATEVER HE WANTS because he knows there is NOTHING you can do except to bribe him to avoid paying into his cash cow!
I try every day to look at the positives, but it gets harder & harder. It was years before I could listen to music after my 300 CDs were stolen. It's next to impossible to even breathe with my sinus problems, & the daily pain is enough to depress me even if it wasn't for everything else. I'm not going to list all my problems; it would take too long & only serve to depress me even more. I know so many other people have it worse than me, but that only pisses me off even more, when the rich jerks (like some of the people here) show just how LITTLE they care about others. One reason I have so little is because I've given so much of my time to helping others. Then to not have anyone care when I'm ****ed over by corruption - it just BURNS ME UP & MAKES ME WANT TO KILL!
Good NEVER wins in this corrupt country! If I wasn't so poor I'd MOVE.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Well I didn't have a truck dependable enough to go get the car, so I had someone else deliver it. They are very busy, & it took that long to get it. They were the quickest of the three guys that my brother had been using to pickup his cars. The tag was expired because I had sold the car over a year before that. Did you expect me to renew a tag even when I don't have the car? I didn't think so... Delivery time notwithstanding, the LAW still requires you to take the car to the DMV for them to inspect it. One thing I didn't mention: I told the lady at the tag office & SHE COULDN'T BELIEVE I GOT A TICKET BRINGING THE CAR THERE (that's what she told me). Nor could ANYONE else I told about it. Seems EVERYONE knows the law EXCEPT the Ft. Payne police dept.! Then, of course, she said she HAD TO CHARGE ME $15 EXTRA, because I GOT A TICKET FOR DRIVING WITHOUT A TAG!!! What the HELL??? So I am not the ONLY one that thinks I got a raw deal - EVERYONE ELSE IN ALABAMA THINKS SO TOO!!! I also didn't mention: When I told the cop (I almost typed "officer" - damn sure don't want to show him any respect) about the STATE LAW, he said QUOTE "I've never heard of such a thing!". If the ****ing COP new the state law he would have never even given me a ticket in the first place! Of course, he could have CHECKED the law, to see that I was telling the truth, or he could have FOLLOWED me to the tag office to check it & confirm that it was where I was going, but NOOOOO. He's the GESTAPO, after all, & does WHATEVER HE WANTS. And the same with the judge: he does WHATEVER HE WANTS because he knows there is NOTHING you can do except to bribe him to avoid paying into his cash cow! I try every day to look at the positives, but it gets harder & harder. It was years before I could listen to music after my 300 CDs were stolen. It's next to impossible to even breathe with my sinus problems, & the daily pain is enough to depress me even if it wasn't for everything else. I'm not going to list all my problems; it would take too long & only serve to depress me even more. I know so many other people have it worse than me, but that only pisses me off even more, when the rich jerks (like some of the people here) show just how LITTLE they care about others. One reason I have so little is because I've given so much of my time to helping others. Then to not have anyone care when I'm ****ed over by corruption - it just BURNS ME UP & MAKES ME WANT TO KILL! Good NEVER wins in this corrupt country! If I wasn't so poor I'd MOVE.

Here's a problem you don't need to list: your cry baby sniveling attitude. Don't worry brother, it came through loud and clear for us all. Guess how many times my car stereo has been stolen. Know what sits in the center console? A car stereo. Get off it. Why didn't you have insurance? You couldn't listen to music because your precious CDs were stolen, lolol. I couldn't listen because I had no radio! Buy new CDs and everything else. Who cares about them? They are just material. Possessions don't define you. Actions do. Who cares about all your stuff, you are where you are because of your actions. If you cared about your things so much, you should have insured them or put an alarm in your house or whatever. You were a self-entitled jerk in your first post, I bet that is exactly how you were when you were pulled over and when you were in court. No one owes you a damn thing. When I read your first post I thought you were 16 or 17 years old. After reading this thread I see you have physically matured, but not mentally. Get a grip on reality. JEBUS

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quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Well I didn't have a truck dependable enough to go get the car, so I had someone else deliver it. They are very busy, & it took that long to get it. They were the quickest of the three guys that my brother had been using to pickup his cars. The tag was expired because I had sold the car over a year before that. Did you expect me to renew a tag even when I don't have the car? I didn't think so... Delivery time notwithstanding, the LAW still requires you to take the car to the DMV for them to inspect it. One thing I didn't mention: I told the lady at the tag office & SHE COULDN'T BELIEVE I GOT A TICKET BRINGING THE CAR THERE (that's what she told me). Nor could ANYONE else I told about it. Seems EVERYONE knows the law EXCEPT the Ft. Payne police dept.! Then, of course, she said she HAD TO CHARGE ME $15 EXTRA, because I GOT A TICKET FOR DRIVING WITHOUT A TAG!!! What the HELL??? So I am not the ONLY one that thinks I got a raw deal - EVERYONE ELSE IN ALABAMA THINKS SO TOO!!! I also didn't mention: When I told the cop (I almost typed "officer" - damn sure don't want to show him any respect) about the STATE LAW, he said QUOTE "I've never heard of such a thing!". If the ****ing COP new the state law he would have never even given me a ticket in the first place! Of course, he could have CHECKED the law, to see that I was telling the truth, or he could have FOLLOWED me to the tag office to check it & confirm that it was where I was going, but NOOOOO. He's the GESTAPO, after all, & does WHATEVER HE WANTS. And the same with the judge: he does WHATEVER HE WANTS because he knows there is NOTHING you can do except to bribe him to avoid paying into his cash cow! I try every day to look at the positives, but it gets harder & harder. It was years before I could listen to music after my 300 CDs were stolen. It's next to impossible to even breathe with my sinus problems, & the daily pain is enough to depress me even if it wasn't for everything else. I'm not going to list all my problems; it would take too long & only serve to depress me even more. I know so many other people have it worse than me, but that only pisses me off even more, when the rich jerks (like some of the people here) show just how LITTLE they care about others. One reason I have so little is because I've given so much of my time to helping others. Then to not have anyone care when I'm ****ed over by corruption - it just BURNS ME UP & MAKES ME WANT TO KILL! Good NEVER wins in this corrupt country! If I wasn't so poor I'd MOVE.

It almost sounds like you live in Hazzard County and you're Bo Duke! LOL

I really am not trying to give you a hard time but imagine how many times the cop has heard someone he pulled over say that they were on their way to the DMV to get everything straightened out and had the paperwork with them to "prove" it. And think about it, if that cop was an expert on the letter of the law do you think he would be working as a patrol officer, me thinks he would probably have a law degree and be working in an air conditioned office somewhere. I'm also not trying to say you didn't get a raw deal, hell even the rich guy gets a raw deal every now and then. I've spent some time in court rooms (sometimes on the plaintif side, sometimes on the defendant side), don't think I would make a good judge, saw to much crazy stuff come up! I guess what I'm trying to say is that when we look at things from only our point of view we sometimes don't see the whole picture.
BTW here in Georgia if you don't turn that tag in or have it transferred to another vehicle within a specified time of selling the car and dropping insurance on said car your license will be revoked and the next time you get pulled over you will be charged with driving on a suspended license. Doesn't sound fair does it?
Time before last when I went to renew my drivers license I was informed that I was holding a suspended license and had to pay a $160 before I could have my drivers license renewed. What caused my license to be suspended or revoked? I had been pulled over in south GA on the way to the beach and did not have proof of insurance in the car. Was not my car, was my mothers and she and my daughters were in the car with me. Why was there no proof of insurance in the car? Because the state of GA had sent a letter out several months prior that stated that an insurance card would no longer be required since it was all kept up with on the computer now (people get insurance, get the card, then cancel the insurance, this was supposed to eliminate that problem). I was told by my mother that she had taken care of it and did not give it another thought till I went in to renew my DL, lesson learned. If I had been pulled over before finding this out there would have been additional charges I'm sure. Did I complain? No, I paid the fine, renewed my DL, and was thankful things didn't turn out a lot worse.

edited to add this link, might as well try to make a buck off someone elses misery! LOL

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quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: asked me why I was there. I told him "The Fort Payne police department does not know the state law.".

That right there is your problem. Come at him with that attitude to start with, you are going to get nothing but resistance. Did you show him the registration you got? Was it dated, or better time stamped shortly after the ticket was issued?

I dont know about down there, but around here they cannot deny you a trial, if you plead not guilty, there is nothing to be said about it, you are set a trial date.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Denied due process for the THIRD DAMN TIME!!!!

Soldier on brother. It's very difficult to take on the system especially when it seems no one cares and it feels like you are all alone.. YOU AREN'T!! There are many out there fighting the same fight. Some win and some take the bullet. That's war and war is hell.

quote Originally posted by DRA: I really am not trying to give you a hard time but imagine how many times the cop has heard someone he pulled over say that they were on their way to the DMV to get everything straightened out and had the paperwork with them to "prove" it.

Which is why he should have checked the law BEFORE writing the ticket...
Or at LEAST followed me to the DMV (after all it was only 5 blocks & he OBVIOUSLY had nothing beter to do!).

quote Originally posted by DRA: BTW here in Georgia if you don't turn that tag in or have it transferred to another vehicle within a specified time of selling the car and dropping insurance on said car your license will be revoked and the next time you get pulled over you will be charged with driving on a suspended license. Doesn't sound fair does it? Time before last when I went to renew my drivers license I was informed that I was holding a suspended license and had to pay a $160 before I could have my drivers license renewed. What caused my license to be suspended or revoked? I had been pulled over in south GA on the way to the beach and did not have proof of insurance in the car. Was not my car, was my mothers and she and my daughters were in the car with me. Why was there no proof of insurance in the car? Because the state of GA had sent a letter out several months prior that stated that an insurance card would no longer be required since it was all kept up with on the computer now (people get insurance, get the card, then cancel the insurance, this was supposed to eliminate that problem). I was told by my mother that she had taken care of it and did not give it another thought till I went in to renew my DL, lesson learned. If I had been pulled over before finding this out there would have been additional charges I'm sure. Did I complain? No, I paid the fine, renewed my DL, and was thankful things didn't turn out a lot worse.

It's NOT fair.
Which is why - among MANY reasons - I will NEVER register my cars hin Ga. even though I own property there. If you sell a car & drop the insurance, they AUTOMATICLY revoke your license!!! Dosen't matter if you no longer have the car or not. You'll have to go through all kinds of BS to get it straightened out.
Did you know if your insurance is NOT in their computer, you GO TO JAIL & THEY IMPOUND YOUR CAR!!?? Dosen't matter if you have an insurance card, the policy, or any other proof that you have insurance, if due to their or the insurance co's. fault they don't have it in THEIR computer, you GO TO JAIL.
Hell, I was ticked for not having an insurance card in Roswell (Ga.) EVEN THOUGH AT THAT TIME ALABAMA DID NOT REQUIRE YOU TO CARRY ONE!!! The jerk TRIED to look up the reason he stopped me (tinted tag cover - which was also legal) but could not find it, so he TICKETED ME FOR THAT. They never even let the judge see that one, but I still had to drive over 200 miles to appear in court.

Friggin Hell. Don't YOU understand the law? The judge told YOU why YOU was fined. The 30 day limit. YOU screwed up, YOU paid. Get over i it.

Just because a car has to be taken to the DMV for the change over doesn't mean it is allowed to be driven there.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: It's NOT fair. Which is why - among MANY reasons - I will NEVER register my cars hin Ga. even though I own property there. If you sell a car & drop the insurance, they AUTOMATICLY revoke your license!!! Dosen't matter if you no longer have the car or not. You'll have to go through all kinds of BS to get it straightened out. Did you know if your insurance is NOT in their computer, you GO TO JAIL & THEY IMPOUND YOUR CAR!!?? Dosen't matter if you have an insurance card, the policy, or any other proof that you have insurance, if due to their or the insurance co's. fault they don't have it in THEIR computer, you GO TO JAIL. Hell, I was ticked for not having an insurance card in Roswell (Ga.) EVEN THOUGH AT THAT TIME ALABAMA DID NOT REQUIRE YOU TO CARRY ONE!!! The jerk TRIED to look up the reason he stopped me (tinted tag cover - which was also legal) but could not find it, so he TICKETED ME FOR THAT. They never even let the judge see that one, but I still had to drive over 200 miles to appear in court.

I'm confused, since GA started the computer tracking of insurance compliance I have renewed my licence with no problem most recently a couple of months ago, and have sold, bought, dropped insurance, etc, 5 times and have jumped through no hoops. I also know of no one that has had their car impounded or been taken directly to jail for no insurance that had insurance.
Personally I, because of accidents I or people I know have been involved in where the other driver had NO insurance, applaud the fact that people are being pursued for non-compliance. I can print out auto policys and ID cards all day long, they are not worth the paper they are printed on.
As far as being ticketed for not carrying an insurance card in GA when AL does not require it, when in Rome......... If I have a concealed carry permit in Ga and go over the river to SC with a pistol on my person, I can be arrested for carrying that pistol.

quote Originally posted by DRA: I'm confused, since GA started the computer tracking of insurance compliance I have renewed my licence with no problem most recently a couple of months ago, and have sold, bought, dropped insurance, etc, 5 times and have jumped through no hoops. I also know of no one that has had their car impounded or been taken directly to jail for no insurance that had insurance. Personally I, because of accidents I or people I know have been involved in where the other driver had NO insurance, applaud the fact that people are being pursued for non-compliance. I can print out auto policys and ID cards all day long, they are not worth the paper they are printed on. As far as being ticketed for not carrying an insurance card in GA when AL does not require it, when in Rome......... If I have a concealed carry permit in Ga and go over the river to SC with a pistol on my person, I can be arrested for carrying that pistol.

Check the law: if you're not in their database you GO TO JAIL.
It's different for cars than pistols. If you're legal in your home state, the constitution garrantees you the right to travel all over the US completely legaly. With pistoils, it depends on each state's law. Some recognize a permit from other states, some don't. Some only recognize permits from other states that recognize their permits. It's ALL BS, though, 'cause the constitution garantees you the right to bear arms anywhere in the US. The pernit is to CONCEAL the weapon.

quote Originally posted by AusFiero: Friggin Hell. Don't YOU understand the law? The judge told YOU why YOU was fined. The 30 day limit. YOU screwed up, YOU paid. Get over i it. Just because a car has to be taken to the DMV for the change over doesn't mean it is allowed to be driven there.

But it does: even the lady at the DMV said it was not right for him to ticket me when bringing the car there for inspection. It's asumed that you'll be driving the car there, because NO ONE trailers a car there when they buy it from out of state. (except for me once, when my truck was in better shape & I needed a tag for it, the trailer, & my Z car. Of course, that day was a farce too. No tag for the Z because I didn't have a bill of sale (previously all I had to have was the clear title). No tag for the trailer 'cause I didn't have a TITLE! Had a bill of sale but it's a rebuilt trailer that didn't need a title where I bought it (in Ga.).

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Check the law: if you're not in their database you GO TO JAIL. It's different for cars than pistols. If you're legal in your home state, the constitution garrantees you the right to travel all over the US completely legaly. With pistoils, it depends on each state's law. Some recognize a permit from other states, some don't. Some only recognize permits from other states that recognize their permits. It's ALL BS, though, 'cause the constitution garantees you the right to bear arms anywhere in the US. The pernit is to CONCEAL the weapon.

So if your not in the database they assume you are operating a motor vehicle without insurance and take you to jail, I don't have a problem with that. If you do have insurance then the matter can be cleared up, I will gladly spend one night in jail if it gets ten people and their cars off the street who don't have the proper insurance. I was under the impression that regardless of what state I'm from, I have to abide by the laws of the state I am in. If the state I am from does not require me to have insurance, then I can operate a motor vehicle in GA with no insurance?
As far as traveling from state to state, do the states laws I am traveling in not apply, in other words my home state's laws override the state I'm traveling through? So I can get an old Texas tag and drivers license and if I get pulled over in GA I can tell them it's none of their business because I'm not a resident of thier state?
And I didn't know the Idaho authoritys had no right to pull me over for not having a tag on the front of my vehicle because my home state didn't require it. They charged me with expired tag and no proof of insurance, I got the proof that I did have insurance at that time, renewed the tag, went to court, all charges were dropped. Gee, I guess I should sue them for my time and mental distress.

The bottom line is that you did break the law if you had an expired tag on your car not to mention the tag was off of another car and on top of that the car you were driving was not properly registered within the time specified. In my opinion you are probably lucky things were'nt worse, as in cop pulls behind you and runs tag, see's that on top of being expired it does not belong on that vehicle, now we have a possible stolen tag along with a possible stolen car, officer pulls you over and approaches your car, you make sudden move and cop freaks and shoots.
The police officers job is not to be the judge and jury, they have some descretion when it comes to writing a citation but if there is any doubt in their mind it is their responsibility to do their job. There are plenty of bad cops out there for sure but that is true of EVERY proffession from street sweeper to the whitehouse. No doubt things could be better but they certainly could be a lot worse.

Rules, regulations, laws, whatever, they are all just an inconvienence and should only apply to the real criminals in a perfect world.
I just don't comprehend what you are so upset about.

quote Originally posted by DRA: Now the lady at the DMV is a legal expert, I don't know about where your at but around here I wouldn't say the folks at the DMV are the brightest bunch. LOL Please clear these questions up for me. What was the date of sale on the Bill of Sale and Title? How many days did you have to register the vehicle in your state? What was the date you were pulled over on your way to register the car? Why did you put an illegal tag on the car to drive said car to the DMV? Maybe the answers to those questions will help me understand what I seem to be missing here.

As for your above post about traveling: What I said was if you're legal in your home state then you can travel anywhere in the US. If your home state dosen't require a front tag, then they have no right to stop you WHATSOEVER in ANY other state for no having a front tag. When they pull in behind you, they can see what state you're from & *should* know you're legal. If you have a jacked-up pickup, & it's legal in your home state, then other states cannot stop you for "illegal bumper height" or other BS like that. Now, Ga. just passed a law you cannot have tinted windows AT ALL in your car. The law states that even out of state cars are not allowed to have tint, & that is UNCONSTITUTIONAL & ILLEGAL to pass such as law. This type of crap is what pisses me off. No STATE has the right to deny you your CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS.
As for your answers:
The lady at the DMV knows the law. She will NOT give out a tag or transfer the title for an out of state car without inspecting the car.
No date on the bill of sale. I could have said I purchased it the day before but I was just being honest (I'm NOT a liar!) so I told him the truth. State law requires me to bring the car there, so I did - and as soon as possible.
EDITED: The Alabama website says QUOTE: "Alabama law provides that any person acquiring a new or used motor vehicle shall within 20 calendar days from the date of acquisition, obtain a license plate. In order to register a vehicle subject to the Alabama title law, a title application must be completed before a registration can be processed."! So it's the DATE OF AQUISITION not the date of sale - according to STATE LAW!!!Merriam Webster defines acquiring as "to come into possession or control of".
I'd have to check the ticket. Not relevent anyway, since the bill of sale had no date.
I did NOT have an illegal tag on the car! In alabama, you keep the tag when you sell a car & put it on the next car you buy.
Any more questions?

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you do know that It's also Illegal to live in a dwelling without running water didn't you?.... Sure would hate to see somone who got a big 'ole **** you from you report this to the police/health department!!!!... ready for the next cry cry cry post!!!

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quote Originally posted by DRA: So if your not in the database they assume you are operating a motor vehicle without insurance and take you to jail, I don't have a problem with that.

I have a LARGE problem with that! If I've done EVERYTHING the law requires me to do to be legal, & I AM legal, then there is NO REASON WHATSOEVER I should be going to jail!!!! Especially if it's the state's fault (or anyone elses for that matter) that I'm not in their database. It's become a POLICE STATE & it might as well be a communist state, If I'M COMPLETELY within the law & the police STILL take me to jail. THAT is what I'm so upset about! And as long as YOU & EVERYONE ELSE lets them get away with it without raising a stink, it will ONLY GET WORSE! Next thing you know you won't even be allowed to cross state lines without the proper "papers", & they'll be telling you when you are allowed to drive AT ALL. Free people can NOT put up with this crap - or you will NO LONGER be free!

Edit: BTW I looked at your garage sale. Nothing I need but you are welcome to post a link in my threads any time you want to.
In fact, I have a LOT of shtuff that I need to get rid of. If you like, We'll get together & you can sell it for 1/2 the money. PM me if you're interested.

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quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Like I said before: next time if the pig gives me any **** I'll give it right back. I'm NOT going to take this **** ANY more!

I with ya.

I've studied the pig quite extensively and I've read their pig procedures (you can pick them up cheap at books stores near pig training pens) so I have a fairly good handle on pig behavior. It seems that most pigs want to be superior animal during most encounters which is opposite to the natural order of things. When a pig approaches me I treat it like most other animals until I find out what it wants... if it's cool, I'm cool but if it wants something it doesnt need then it's none of the pigs business and that's where the pecking order problems usually start. I have no problem telling a pig that what I'm doing or going is none of their business. They HATE that and it makes me happy when they cant get what they want. But... unfortunately they are pigs so they resort to wallowing in bullsheit and slinging it all over the place. I bow to no pig... took 3 weeks to get the feeling back in my left wrist but the pig never saw me sweat a drop. I was tired and pretty beat after 2 hours first in the rain then next in the car while they joked and smoked over their latest collar. I made mental notes and I wrote it all down... every detail right down to which pig said what and when.

I want to sue the pigs for what they did but unfortunately unless it involves physical harm scumbag lawyers arent interested in taking on the case... lawyers are a lot like pigs you know but lawyers are more like a coin operated pig.
The pig can lock up my body... beat me up, maybe even kill me but the pig will never win a match of integrity or intestinal fortitude because a pig possesses NONE of these qualities.

Oh no! Bills here! Better run while I still have a chance! LOL

Like I said before there are bad apples in every cart, from all walks of life and all levels of society. And I can assure you I do not bow down to what I see as real injustice, as mentioned before I have had a few (probably a lot for the average person) run ins with the law. Things seem to work out for the most part in my case if I really had done nothing wrong (and probably got away with a few things I shouldn't have when I was younger LOL), it may have cost me some time and money but I don't believe any system is going to be perfect. At this point I would say just the couple of accidents I have been in with folks that had no insurance cost me a lot more than any aggrivation johnny law has thrown my way, thats why I made the comment about being willing to spend a few hours and dollars for a mistake on law enforcement or the insurance companys part.
The incident in Idaho was due to the uncanny resemblence of the idaho and georgia tags at that time, if I had been from any other state the officer would not have pulled me over. Like I said the end result was no big deal anyway. For those that might say he should have been able to read the tag before he cut the lights on, it was the first time he had ever seen a georgia tag, it was at dusk, and there was a light snow falling.
Was arrested in SC for possession by a bon jovi wanna be cop, went to the judges quarters told the judge my side of the story in the cops presence, told the judge I was fully capable of representing myself in front of a jury. The cop of coarse was eager to go to court. a few weeks later I recieved a letter saying the charges were dropped and my bail refunded. I did pay a fine for open container but hey, I had an open container and I wasn't about to deny it.
When I was in my late teens early twenties I could pretty much count on being pulled over once a month by the columbia county cops, usually had to get a ride back to my car or bike, I guess you could call it harrassment but I just looked at it as the price of doing business.

The scales do seem to be tipping in a bad direction, but if history shows us anything it is that when the scales tip to far everything will come crashing down and we'll get the opportunity to start over again. Of coarse history will probably repeat itself, the cycle seems to continue regardless of what history tries to teach us.

I guess in some ways I'm an optimist, in some ways a realist. I realize complete freedom is an ideal we strive for, but without some restrictions and guidelines the idea of freedom turns to anarchy, every man for himself. I guess there is a balance and whichever way it tips whether that be towards complete freedom or total goverment control the end result is the same, everything comes crashing down.

Sheep? I don't consider myself one, don't know any sheep that would open their front door when the police knock on it with an AK in their hand.

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Driver, I understand your anger. But, when you go to court without a hired gun, it's pretty hard to win. Personally, I think someone shoulda considered the fact you were trying to get the car registered. That would enable you to pay all the fees the state reasonably expects and start buying stuff that would - through taxes - benefit the economy, etc. I can understand your low opinion of the local legal system after they showed what seems like little interest in solving the crimes committed toward you. I'll bet if you were cozy with them, through fund raisers or whatever (Donut fund raiser?) you'd have gotten a free pass.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: But it does: even the lady at the DMV said it was not right for him to ticket me when bringing the car there for inspection

Just FYI, I would take any legal advice given to me by someone working at the DMV with a grain of salt. They don't study law to get that job. I think the situation with buying out of state is a total pain in the ass, but there is a way to do it. I did it myself and did it the illegal way because it was easier, I just got lucky and didn't get caught. The legal way might not be the easy/cheap way, but it is a way if you want to avoid all this trouble you've been in. You have to do it right or suffer the consequences.

I know you don't agree with what happened, but you did break the law. Do you think you broke the law?

Dave

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quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Jesus Christ! Get it STRAIGHT: I WAS TAKING THE CAR TO THE DMV TO GET IT INSPECTED & GET THE TITLE TRANFERED & GET THE TAG!!! Iwas 5 blocks away WHEN I GOT THE TICKET - NOT from where I store my cars. There was NO SHOP INVOLVED! They inspect it AT THE DMV.

Just to be clear , disregarding your point of origin, or your destination.... you WERE driving a car that had not been inspected nor had a proper tag?

Please circle Yes Or No


If you circled yes, you just admitted guilt.

Admittedly , it may suck , but thats the law.... grow up and deal with it.

quote Originally posted by ditch: Just FYI, I would take any legal advice given to me by someone working at the DMV with a grain of salt. They don't study law to get that job. I think the situation with buying out of state is a total pain in the ass, but there is a way to do it. I did it myself and did it the illegal way because it was easier, I just got lucky and didn't get caught. The legal way might not be the easy/cheap way, but it is a way if you want to avoid all this trouble you've been in. You have to do it right or suffer the consequences. I know you don't agree with what happened, but you did break the law. Do you think you broke the law? Dave

No, I DID NOT break the law!!! That's my whole point! The LAW allows you to DRIVE the car to the DMV to be INSPECTED, in order to get the title transferred & a tag. The judge was WRONG in saying I had 30 days to register it from the date of purchase. It's 20 days from the DATE OF AQUISITION! See red text above.
Yet I STILL have to pay a fine because I didn't have the money to hire a lawyer, & the judge WOULD NOT HEAR MY EVIDENCE WHEN I PRESENTED MY CASE TO HIM.

Are you gonna keep crying till nobody else posts?... you broke the law... you got caught... you lose... just like everything else in your life... seems like you'd be used to this by now... go cash your welfare check and buy you a bottle of wine and some cheap smokes and chill the he11 out before the rest of the world laughs at you like those of us here... I heard through the grapevine that the threats to the police were forwarded to the police... you get to cry cry cry again soon... YAY!!!

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I am a State of Alabama resident and I just acquired a vehicle. How many days do I have to Title and register this vehicle?

Alabama law provides that any person acquiring a new or used motor vehicle shall within 20 calendar days from the date of acquisition, obtain a license plate. In order to register a vehicle subject to the Alabama title law, a title application must be completed before a registration can be processed.


What are the prerequisites for registering a vehicle in Alabama?

Vehicles being titled, for the first time in Alabama must be inspected by the designated agent before the title application can be completed.

Source: http://www.revenue.alabama....egistration_FAQ.html
Your right , the judge was wrong.... You don't have 30 days.... You have 20 to "TITLE AND REGISTER"

How are they to know factually, that you didn't drive it home the very day you bought it, and that you are not just driving around willy-nilly completely illegal?

It would seem to me what you should have done was to apply for a temp tag before driving it up to the DMV for the inspection.. Get a buddy to take you up to the DMV or take a bus with the proper paperwork....Probably just a small oversight on your part, however , ignorance is no excuse...

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: No, I DID NOT break the law!!! That's my whole point! The LAW allows you to DRIVE the car to the DMV to be INSPECTED, in order to get the title transferred & a tag. The judge was WRONG in saying I had 30 days to register it from the date of purchase. It's 20 days from the DATE OF AQUISITION! See red text above. Yet I STILL have to pay a fine because I didn't have the money to hire a lawyer, & the judge WOULD NOT HEAR MY EVIDENCE WHEN I PRESENTED MY CASE TO HIM.

Yes you did break the law. Driving an unregistered vehicle is against the law. Doesn't matter if the tag transfers because your tag was expired. Show me where it states you can drive it on an expired tag and unregistered.

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quote Originally posted by DRA: As far as the hard time you have faced in your life, I could write a trilogy!

Lol that's enough material for a whole country music CD... You just might get rich off it