quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: The law says you have 20 days from the date of aquisition to register the car. It also says you keep the tag from your previous car to use on your next car. It says you have to have insurance (thanks to the INSURANCE CARTEL & their BRIBES "campain contributions" to ALL the politicians). It says you have tio take the car to the DMV for them to inspect. If you don't believe it's OK to drive the car there for inspection then CALL THEM YOURSELF. Even so: are you saying I wasn't DENIED DUE PROCESS when the judge REFUSED to look at my evidence?

you put an expired tag on it genius

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: phranc has that effect on people.

Phranc aint no dumby. I is. Seriously though, you are the only true idiot in here. YOU have proven YOUrself that YOU broke the law of your state. Notice I emphasize YOU. Then you get pissed off when people call you on it, back into your wee little defensive corner, and poo-poo in your wittle panties.

OK I've contacted the state to see what THEY say.
SO.... to break it down - I asked them:
1) I've been told for the past 19 years (since I moved to Alabama) that you're supposed to keep your tag & use it on the next car you buy. Is that not true?
2) It took 6 weeks to have the car delivered (from Ohio) after I bought it. It's my understanding you have 20 days from the date of AQUISITION, not the date of purchase (that's what your website says). Is that not correct? (There was no way to bring the car there before it was delivered to me....)

Their response:
1) That is true, but you should not place the tag on your new vehicle until you have obtained your registration receipt from the county licensing office. (gee for 19 years they've told me to re-use the tag, NOW they say don't put it on the car BEFORE registering it!)

2) That is correct. I would advise you to keep all paperwork (bill of sale, etc.) in your vehicle while you drive it to the county licensing office for titling and registration. Please see Revenue Administration Rule 810-5-1-.211 (9) and (10). http://www.revenue.alabama....es/810-5-1-.211.html (WHICH SAYS: )

"Situations sometimes occur where the date of purchase is different from the date of acquisition. In cases where the registrant can document to the issuing official that the newly acquired vehicle was not received by the owner until a date subsequent to the purchase date, penalty and interest shall not be charged if the vehicle is registered within 20 days of the acquisition date. Example: Someone acquiring a new truck from a dealership, as part of the purchase contract, requires the dealer to paint the truck and add special equipment, and such changes result in the new owner not taking possession of the truck until several days after the date shown on the title application as the purchase date.

Situations sometimes occur where a purchaser will acquire a motor vehicle, have it delivered by the selling dealership to the purchaser’s location, where it is stored until weeks or months later when the purchaser needs to place the vehicle into service. If the purchaser documents to the license plate issuing official that the vehicle was delivered by the seller and not subsequently operated on the public highways prior to the vehicle being registered, the issuing official shall charge no late registration penalty or interest.

In accordance with the opinion of the Attorney General issued to the Honorable Larry Prince, Tax Assessor, Franklin County, under date of June 2, 1993, during the 20-day period a newly acquired vehicle may be operated without a current and valid Alabama license plate being displayed on the vehicle, if the owner has not secured a new registration for the vehicle."

So was I right in DRIVING the car? YES! Should I have put the tag on? NO, in spite of the fact that they've told me to do so for 19 years! Was I LEGAL in DRIVING the car to the DMV? YES, because it was within the law & I had the PROPER PAPERWPRK with me. Notice you can store the car for MONTHS before registering, if you need to.

Are you still guilty of breaking the law? Yes. So says the court record.

Maybe your guilty ass should of had all of this information to present to the judge before he pronounced you guilty? Maybe you shouldn't have shot off your mouth in a cocksure attitude.

Maybe some day, you'll learn from this lesson in life.

No you were not right in driving the car on expired tags.

Tow truck.

Special.

So the ticket you were given was legit and you were GUILTY of driving on an expired tag, correct? Maybe you should go to the Judge and applogize for what you said about the Police, since you were wrong.

L8r,

Kevin

Geeze you guys are idiots! I have PROVED that it's OK to DRIVE that car to the DMV under my circunstances, just that I shouldn't put the tag on untill after it was registered.
But EVEN THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT!!! Can you not READ the subject? I WAS denied due process when the judge REFUSED to see my evidence & YOU CAN'T DENY THAT!!!

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quote Originally posted by Phranc: No you were not right in driving the car on expired tags.

Same thing I've been saying.
The facts are in his face and he still won't admit he did something wrong. Am I surprised, nope.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Geeze you guys are idiots! I have PROVED that it's OK to DRIVE that car to the DMV under my circunstances, just that I shouldn't put the tag on untill after it was registered.

only thing you've proven is that you're more full of **** than a port-o-crapper

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quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: I already have, years ago: The RICH get lawyers & JUSTICE: the POOR get SCREWED! THE END

You didn't get screwed because you are poor. You got screwed because you are a total and complete fuktard. Who isn't even smart enough to not drive a car on expired tags.

Special.

quote Originally posted by ybnormal74: So the ticket you were given was legit and you were GUILTY of driving on an expired tag, correct? Maybe you should go to the Judge and applogize for what you said about the Police, since you were wrong. L8r, Kevin

NOOOO: Re-read the state website!
"during the 20-day period a newly acquired vehicle may be operated without a current and valid Alabama license plate being displayed on the vehicle"

quote Originally posted by Phranc: No you were not right in driving the car on expired tags. Tow truck. Special.

NOOOO: Re-read the state website!
"during the 20-day period a newly acquired vehicle may be operated without a current and valid Alabama license plate being displayed on the vehicle"

DRIVE!

Stupid.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: But EVEN THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS THREAD IS ABOUT!!! Can you not READ the subject? I WAS denied due process when the judge REFUSED to see my evidence & YOU CAN'T DENY THAT!!!

Probably because, unwittingly, you had already plead guilty and the judge didn't want to hear anymore of your case. I don't know and really don't care. Most people complaining on forums only tell a partial story. I'm sure when one would look at the whole story, my assumptions and others assumptions would be proven correct. You probably plead guilty or had your head up your ass during the procedings and unwittingly plead guilty.

So, go appeal your case. Maybe then you'll find that you can't because you unwittingly plead guilty. Of course when you find that out, you won't post it here. Why? Because it would show that you were wrong and an idiot from the get go.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: NOOOO: Re-read the state website! "during the 20-day period a newly acquired vehicle may be operated without a current and valid Alabama license plate being displayed on the vehicle" DRIVE! Stupid.

So where does it say you can drive it on an expired tag? That's right it doesn't. You did break the law. You were guilty. The judge saw that. No matter what evidence your dumb ass would have presented you were not getting away with breaking the law. You got your due process and the courts correctly found you guilty.

You are still special.

quote Originally posted by aceman: Probably because, unwittingly, you had already plead guilty and the judge didn't want to hear anymore of your case. I don't know and really don't care. Most people complaining on forums only tell a partial story. I'm sure when one would look at the whole story, my assumptions and others assumptions would be proven correct. You probably plead guilty or had your head up your ass during the procedings and unwittingly plead guilty. So, go appeal your case. Maybe then you'll find that you can't because you unwittingly plead guilty. Of course when you find that out, you won't post it here. Why? Because it would show that you were wrong and an idiot from the get go.

Jese Christ you're stupid! Re-read the damn post! I DID NOT PLEAD GUILTY!!!
I cannot afford a lawyer to appeal the case! What part of "the poor get screwed" don't you understand???
I posted about the tag, didn't I???

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Jese Christ you're stupid! Re-read the damn post! I DID NOT PLEAD GUILTY!!! I cannot afford a lawyer to appeal the case! What part of "the poor get screwed" don't you understand??? I posted about the tag, didn't I???

un·wit·ting Audio Help /ʌnˈwɪtɪŋ/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[uhn-wit-ing] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. inadvertent; unintentional; accidental: His insult, though unwitting, pained her.
2. not knowing; unaware; ignorant; oblivious; unconscious: an unwitting person.

What part of "unwittingly" did you not understand. The 2nd meaning describes you to a T. Can we get a photograph of you to send to Webster to post next to the word "unwittingly"?

If there's an appeals process, take it.
Word of advice - don't quote websites. The judge won't care. Find out what the actual law - the General Statute - that applies and quote that.

And don't tell the judge that he nor the police know how to do their job.

On second thought, hire a lawyer to do the talking for you.

Is it illegal in Alabama to keep beating a dead horse?

quote Originally posted by Nazareth: Is it illegal in Alabama to keep beating a dead horse?

Only if its on fire.

quote Originally posted by Nazareth: Is it illegal in Alabama to keep beating a dead horse?

You can beat it. You just can't ride it to the DMV with expired tags.

Well maybe with in the first 20 days after acquiring the dead horse, even though the horse expired about 90 days ago

This thread is still going on?

It is simple?

What was the ticket for? If it was for driving on expired tags you are guilty. If it was for the purchase date you might have a point.

If it was for expired tags you are guilty as hell and I don't see why you wouldn't think you are not.

quote Originally posted by CoryFiero: This thread is still going on? It is simple? What was the ticket for? If it was for driving on expired tags you are guilty. If it was for the purchase date you might have a point. If it was for expired tags you are guilty as hell and I don't see why you wouldn't think you are not.

That's not the point! The point is that The Man is screwing with The Driver and they'll screw with you too!

acquisition:

1. the act of acquiring or gaining possession: the acquisition of real estate.
2. something acquired; addition: a recent acquisition to the museum.
3. Linguistics. the act or process of achieving mastery of a language or a linguistic rule or element: child language acquisition; second language acquisition.

i.e. If I buy property in Maryland as an Ohio resident, I have the property in Maryland as soon as the papers clear, I have acquired that property from that day WITHOUT setting foot on it.

possession:
1. the act or fact of possessing.
2. the state of being possessed.
3. ownership.
4. Law. actual holding or occupancy, either with or without rights of ownership.
5. a thing possessed: He packed all his possessions into one trunk.
6. possessions, property or wealth.
7. a territorial dominion of a state.
8. Sports. a. physical control of the ball or puck by a player or team: He didn't have full possession when he was tackled.
b. the right of a team to put the ball into play: They had possession after the other team sank a free throw.

9. control over oneself, one's mind, etc.
10. domination, actuation, or obsession by a feeling, idea, etc.
11. the feeling or idea itself.

You took possession of the car when it was delivered. According to a prvious post you put it could be driven or deffered in special circumstances by a dealership...did you buy the car from a dealership? Acquisition and possession are two different things. You seemed to acquire before you took possession. I don't see anythin in the Alabama law according to possession, only acquision. In Ohio, Kentucky, and West Virginia offers temp tags...did you buy the car from any of these 3 states? Yes, you could have saved yourself some grief if you got a temp tag when you ACQUIRED the car. State of Ohio law usually permits the temp tag at the point of acquiring the car, not at the point of possession...but in Ohio it is usually the same time.

quote Originally posted by quantum1: acquisition: 1. the act of acquiring or gaining possession: the acquisition of real estate. 2. something acquired; addition: a recent acquisition to the museum. 3. Linguistics. the act or process of achieving mastery of a language or a linguistic rule or element: child language acquisition; second language acquisition. i.e. If I buy property in Maryland as an Ohio resident, I have the property in Maryland as soon as the papers clear, I have acquired that property from that day WITHOUT setting foot on it. possession: 1. the act or fact of possessing. 2. the state of being possessed. 3. ownership. 4. Law. actual holding or occupancy, either with or without rights of ownership. 5. a thing possessed: He packed all his possessions into one trunk. 6. possessions, property or wealth. 7. a territorial dominion of a state. 8. Sports. a. physical control of the ball or puck by a player or team: He didn't have full possession when he was tackled. b. the right of a team to put the ball into play: They had possession after the other team sank a free throw. 9. control over oneself, one's mind, etc. 10. domination, actuation, or obsession by a feeling, idea, etc. 11. the feeling or idea itself. You took possession of the car when it was delivered. According to a prvious post you put it could be driven or deffered in special circumstances by a dealership...did you buy the car from a dealership? Acquisition and possession are two different things. You seemed to acquire before you took possession. I don't see anythin in the Alabama law according to possession, only acquision. In Ohio, Kentucky, and West Virginia offers temp tags...did you buy the car from any of these 3 states? Yes, you could have saved yourself some grief if you got a temp tag when you ACQUIRED the car. State of Ohio law usually permits the temp tag at the point of acquiring the car, not at the point of possession...but in Ohio it is usually the same time.

Then why do they say QUOTE: "Situations sometimes occur where the date of purchase is different from the date of acquisition."

Just let this thread die. You idiots wanted to know what the state said about it & I gave it to you. You STILL haven't proved me wrong, that I was DENIED DUE PROCESS. Just REAPETING OVER & OVER that I pled guilty when I didn't shows how stupid you are.
I'm outta' here.
BYE.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Then why do they say QUOTE: "Situations sometimes occur where the date of purchase is different from the date of acquisition." Just let this thread die. You idiots wanted to know what the state said about it & I gave it to you. You STILL haven't proved me wrong, that I was DENIED DUE PROCESS. Just REAPETING OVER & OVER that I pled guilty when I didn't shows how stupid you are. I'm outta' here. BYE.

We are the idiots? I can see why you want this thread to die. You are right every one else is wrong.....

Special.

Did you get issued a ticket?

Do you have a copy of that ticket?

Did you have to sign that ticket in the courtroom?

IF, you pled not guilty AND the judge found you guilty. You could appeal the guilty verdict.

IF, you pled guilty THEN you cannot appeal the verdict.

Let it drop? WE WEREN'T THE IDIOT WHO DUG UP THE DEAD HORSE TO BE BEAT!

You probably would not have been denied due process if you had not started your whole defence with " The police don't know the law" Bla Bla Bla

To be honest, he is at least partially correct, if I am reading that blue on blue text correctly. It at least leaves an opening to wiggle thru, tho it may be too late in this case.
And, he is also partially correct about the officers not knowing the law. (Hold on and hear me out)
They are pretty up to date on traffic laws, and some other things that they deal with every day, but they do not keep well informed on the many hundreds of somewhat obscure statutes in their own states--certainly not statute4s from out of their jurisdiction. This is what courts are far. He got a ticket--it happens, but it does not automatically mean he is guilty--that is for the court to decide, and very few citizens know the statutes either--that's what attorneys are for. They do know the law-every word of it--or at least have the resources to find exactly what the law is.

The officer has every right to write a tickey based on what he believes the law says. He may be wrong, but he still has the authority to write the ticket out. NO OFFICER can ever remember what every word of the law is--it's just not possible.

Da Driver made several mistakes here, just as the judge did. The judge evidently either did not know the law, or didn't care, but in reality, it is more often than not, up to the defendant to prove his innocence, and the best way to do so is to go into court armed with The Law. (an attorney)

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Jese Christ you're stupid! Re-read the damn post! I DID NOT PLEAD GUILTY!!! I cannot afford a lawyer to appeal the case! What part of "the poor get screwed" don't you understand??? I posted about the tag, didn't I???

quote Originally posted by 86GT3.4DOHC: You guys have some serious authority issues, yes there are some bad cops out there, you go allong with them, take your ticket, fight it in court and file a complaint with his lutenant. Its sure as hell going to look like every cop is a bad cop when you start out giving them attitude.

The founders of this country had authority issues as well there by allowing you, me and everyone else to be "free" as if that were a reality.

Like I stated earlier, I treat everyone with the same respect right up to the point where the cop becomes a pig. At that point all bets are off, if I'm going to get a bullsheit ticket I'm going to EARN IT. I have no problem expressing my RIGHT to open my mouth and say how I feel at any time. Feel free to grovel before a pig, hop up and down on one foot on command, play hokey poky, you are still going to get nailed for something.

It's your choice to do so but I for one will not compromise or give up my RIGHTS for anyone of quote authority endquote and still get my money taken from me. I fight, you lay down. Part of the reason this crap happens id because to many people have allowed it to happen by playing the submissive role to a SERVANT and over time it has gotten worse and worse to the point where the servant now has supreme authority over everyone. I will not tolerate that, a servant is beneath me so it is worth a few hundred dollars to defend my status in society.

A man once wrote, "The natural liberty of man is to be free from any superior power on Earth, and not to be under the will or legislative authority of man, but only to have the law of nature for his rule."

I agree with 100% of what I am which means I will not compromise my integrity by bowing to a filthy disgusting power hungry abusive PIG!

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"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude than the animated contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen!"

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: That just earned you a positive... well... that and the fact that you are still defending yourself from the hordes of submissive slaves.

Which begs the age old question.
How many people are there in a horde anyway?

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Which begs the age old question. How many people are there in a horde anyway?

Going out on a limb here...

It's kind of like a democratically controlled number that has greater influence than the opposition regardless of the ratio.

Take MADD for instance. The proportion of MADD members is far smaller than that of drunk drivers (who are involved fewer fatal accidents than straight drivers are on a daily basis) but because it over rides majority rule and takes supreme authority, it becomes a horde.

I was thinking of forming my own organization... Drunks against MADD mothers... that way I can be a one man drunken horde.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: I was thinking of forming my own organization... Drunks against MADD mothers... that way I can be a one man drunken horde.

It is called DAMM

I am the former president. heh