quote Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF: The guy refunded your money, and you're acting like an ass. But that's typical for you anyway.

Merry Christmas

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Merry Christmas

Happy Hanukkah.

I thought the guy offered almost immediately to refund the money, and you refused to accept the refund????

quote Originally posted by ckfiero: I thought the guy offered almost immediately to refund the money, and you refused to accept the refund????

Still trying hard to make me out to be the "bad guy", eh?

Yes, he offered to refund the money almost immediately, but it took him 16 days to actually issue the refund.

quote Originally posted by ckfiero: It sounds like the seller "declined" your paypal payment. those have to be actively accepted before they are considered official.

Declined it nothing. He accepted it without reservation. After I paid (and he accepted the payment) he emailed me to say he would be looking for the item as it seemed to be misplaced. I let him know I had no problem waiting a few extra days for it to turn up, but I also made it clear that simply telling me a bought-and-paid-for item was missing wouldn't be satisfactory, and that eBay might need to be contacted by me.

It was at this point that he sent me an email wishing me "Happy complaining!"

I therefore was prepared to wait for him to find the "lost" item and ship it to me. It then took a total of 21 days before my payment was returned to my credit card account through PayPal. I certainly wasn't holding up the process. He could've refunded my money anytime.

Keep in mind during this long drawn out process that the vendor had the audacity to file an Unpaid Item Case against me four days after I had paid him through PayPal.

It astounds me that some of you continue to believe that this guy was the innocent "victim" here.

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The best thing to do is send him a message through eBay aksing him that if he finds the item you would like him to sell it to you. Ebay will then have a record.
Then put him on your favorite sellers list.
Every time he puts something up you will get an email with a link to what he is selling.
If he relists the same item you will know he either found it or was not being truthful.
Then email eBay and demand he sell you the item.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: It astounds me that some of you continue to believe that this guy was the innocent "victim" here.

How could anyone else be the "victim" when you are always the "victim".

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: To be completely frank...how the HECK can you list an item, and then lose it????? I just don't accept it. I BET it didn't reach his anticipated price, and he is just saying he lost it. Or he had somebody offer him a better price after the auction, or even during it. No. If a seller 'loses' something after going to all the bother of listing it, I wouldn't want to buy anything from him anyway Not exactly a reliable type, eh what? Nick

yes - I agree with this. but, being we are all guessing & speculating - who knows.
how many items has this person sold on Ebay?

quote Originally posted by Patrick: I've been an eBay member since 1998. Up until just the last few months, eBay vendors could hold eBay buyers ransom by threatening them with negative feedback if they didn't get positive feedback from the buyers, no matter how screwed up the items were or how bad the packaging/shipping was. That's why the rating rules were very recently changed, too many eBay vendors were abusing the rating system. And you knew that, didn't you. You just couldn't resist trying to slip that little white lie in.

Yeah, I did know that, but if sellers were allowed to give negative now, you certainly deserve one. You're supposed to work with the buyer/seller when things don't/can't work out as intended. You're supposed to try to RESOLVE a situation in a manner that is fair to both parties. You did not do that, and now buyers have no need to try to work issues out with sellers because they can't be held responsible for their actions and behavior. They can treat the seller like shi7, demand whatever they want, and act like a complete ass... because they can now, and still screw the seller in the end. Which is what you've done.

There's a lot more than just not paying, that a buyer can do wrong.

And you know, the ONLY reason you got a PFF negative from me is because of your assumptions that I was the seller you were dealing with. Sure, you blurred out his ID on your screen capture, but you made it very obvious you thought I was the seller you were dealing with, and were pretty quick to let other people on the forum get that assumption as well. So you block his ebay ID out, but point the finger at me. So give me one in return.... gee, a retaliation feedback, what a surprise.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: how many items has this person sold on Ebay?

According to his feedback, he's sold 30 items. Make that 29 items, as we probably shouldn't count the item which I never received.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Do you have anything constructive to add to the discussion, or are you just hanging around demonstrating why you fully deserve such a poor PFF rating?

Feedback abuse! Feedback Abuse! So quick when you don't like what someone has to say! lol

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quote Originally posted by FieroFanaticus2: Yeah, I did know that, but if sellers were allowed to give negative now, you certainly deserve one. You're supposed to work with the buyer/seller when things don't/can't work out as intended. You're supposed to try to RESOLVE a situation in a manner that is fair to both parties. You did not do that, and now buyers have no need to try to work issues out with sellers because they can't be held responsible for their actions and behavior. They can treat the seller like shi7, demand whatever they want, and act like a complete ass... because they can now, and still screw the seller in the end. Which is what you've done.

You are one bitter eBay seller.

I patiently waited almost a month for the item to arrive or my money to be refunded. As I’ve mentioned numerous times, it took 21 days for the money to be returned to my account.

I did not give the vendor a negative eBay rating just because he “lost” the item or just because he took so long to refund my money.

I gave the vendor a negative eBay rating mostly because he had the gall to state to me in an email “Happy complaining!” after I had politely mentioned to him that I might have to contact eBay if he didn’t ship the item I had already bought and paid for.

I also wasn't too thrilled about him filing an Unpaid Item Case against me when it was obvious I had already paid for the item.

quote Originally posted by FieroFanaticus2: And you know, the ONLY reason you got a PFF negative from me is because of your assumptions that I was the seller you were dealing with. Sure, you blurred out his ID on your screen capture, but you made it very obvious you thought I was the seller you were dealing with, and were pretty quick to let other people on the forum get that assumption as well. So you block his ebay ID out, but point the finger at me.

Oh, get over yourself. Do you honestly believe that out of the hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions?) of eBay sellers, that I (or anyone) would actually believe that the particular seller I was complaining about would stumble across this thread in an obscure car forum. Wow, what would the chances of that be? Quick, buy a Lotto ticket!

And just to make it clear (as this is a Fiero car forum), the spark plug wires I bid on were for an application other than a Fiero. They were for a V8 Chevy.

quote Originally posted by FieroFanaticus2: So give me one in return.... gee, a retaliation feedback, what a surprise.

I gave you the negative PFF rating because you purposely lied in your earlier post about eBay sellers not being able to rate eBay buyers. Until very recently they’ve been doing just that for over a decade. You then admitted you’ve known this all along.

I don’t mind discussing or debating the issue, but I draw the line at people purposely lying to try to advance their argument.

Merry Christmas, Mr Hypocrite!

I see you're making some new friends in your same old hypocritical fashion.

You may not always be right, but you are never wrong!

quote Originally posted by aceman: Merry Christmas, Mr Hypocrite! I see you're making some new friends in your same old hypocritical fashion. You may not always be right, but you are never wrong!

What a pleasant surprise to see you. We've already got Hulki U. My-BFF here. All we need now is Phranc to join the party.

Just keeping the thread REAL, Mr Hypocrite.

And, just swung by to Say Merry Christmas and to say, "My how your ratings bar has grown since this thread."

Thanks for your concern.

I'm done with this thread. Obviously, you're a dick just to be a dick in more ways than one and unless someone says what you want to hear you take their opinions as insults and feel the need to get offensive and make insults. Don't come on a public forum asking for opinions if you only want to hear what you want to hear.

The seller made mistakes, but so did you. Too bad we can't see his side of the story, and what exactly was said from you to him. The WHOLE story. I've got a feeling your attitude was more than what you say it was.

I've got better things to do with my time than listen to you ***** and whine. It's obvious you only see from one side. I think you just like to argue with whoever doesn't stroke your ego. So go stroke it yourself.

So, uhh... did you guys come to a consensus on whose pee-pee is bigger? Or are you still arguing on how to measure it?

Well we did confirm that Patrick is a DICK, though by his trying to push his weight around, I would say he loses the size contest.


Gene

quote Originally posted by FieroFanaticus2: I'm done with this thread. Obviously, you're a dick just to be a dick in more ways than one and unless someone says what you want to hear you take their opinions as insults and feel the need to get offensive and make insults. Don't come on a public forum asking for opinions if you only want to hear what you want to hear.

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Just look at the posts on this page alone and tell me who’s received the brunt of the insults, most of them from people who had nothing to actually add to the discussion at hand.

quote Originally posted by FieroFanaticus2: The seller made mistakes, but so did you. Too bad we can't see his side of the story, and what exactly was said from you to him. The WHOLE story. I've got a feeling your attitude was more than what you say it was.

What have I got to gain by starting a thread like this and lying about anything in it?

I think you’re just embarrassed because I caught YOU dead to rights lying about how eBay buyers could not have been rated by eBay sellers.

quote Originally posted by FieroFanaticus2: I've got better things to do with my time than listen to you ***** and whine. It's obvious you only see from one side. I think you just like to argue with whoever doesn't stroke your ego. So go stroke it yourself.

If there was any doubt earlier, your true colors are now starting to show.

I started this thread as a heads up for other members here to be leery of eBay sellers who perhaps “lose” items if they don’t get a high enough bid on their item.

As far as I was concerned, this thread was finished half way down the first page. I even said “Case closed”.

I’ve continued to post only because I’ve been asked to clarify various comments. So I oblige only to be accused of “whining”.

Whatever...

NV

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FF2..I am a bit surprised that you of all people would start being so unpleasant to ANYBODY on PFF, after reading this again..Sorry to bring back bad memories, but it does seem as if yours is quite short when it comes to the goodwill which is so often on tap here, as you well know
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...0410-6-028554-1.html
How about showing a little goodwill in return? It isn't your place to deal out so much venom, surely? At least keep your personal views to yourself, as a matter of propriety
Nick

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quote Originally posted by fierofetish: FF2..I am a bit surprised that you of all people would start being so unpleasant to ANYBODY on PFF, after reading this again..Sorry to bring back bad memories, but it does seem as if yours is quite short when it comes to the goodwill which is so often on tap here, as you well know https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...0410-6-028554-1.html How about showing a little goodwill in return? It isn't your place to deal out so much venom, surely? At least keep your personal views to yourself, as a matter of propriety Nick

You earned yourself a + FF. dunno why I didnt give you one before.

How could someone possibly put something up for auction on eBay without having it right at their fingertips? I don't get it. Sounds irresponsible to me. Or worse.

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: I let him know I had no problem waiting a few extra days for it to turn up, but I also made it clear that simply telling me a bought-and-paid-for item was missing wouldn't be satisfactory, and that eBay might need to be contacted by me.

If I was selling an item and you had written this to me I would figure nothing was going to make you happy, might not even look very hard for it,,,,,,,,,if it was lost. Actually I do think you are right when you cast doubt him losing the items, but who really knows, some people do live like frikkin pigs.

The Happy complaining comment deserves a neg no doubt, really uncalled for.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: If I was selling an item and you had written this to me I would figure nothing was going to make you happy...

If I had received the item I bought from him for the price I bid on it, I would've been happy. Honest.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: The Happy complaining comment deserves a neg no doubt, really uncalled for.

Red, I can't believe you and I have finally agreed on something! Next thing peace will be breaking out in the Middle East.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: How could someone possibly put something up for auction on eBay without having it right at their fingertips? I don't get it. Sounds irresponsible to me. Or worse.

I can think of a few excuses - but - yes - I am with ya.

but - either way - auction over, money returned, there shouldnt be a 2 page arguement over this. I understand the frustration of not getting your trinket or knick knack. especially if your all giddy over getting a great deal. because that also affected his bids on simaler items, which he may have won instead. he got teased. that is understandably upsetting. but, not worth the uproar. not one bit. Patrick, if this is what you have to b!tch about.....

quote Originally posted by FieroFanaticus2: Obviously, you're a dick just to be a dick in more ways than one and unless someone says what you want to hear you take their opinions as insults and feel the need to get offensive and make insults.

DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! Patrick only cares about what other people say, AS LONG AS THEY AGREE WITH HIM.

P.S. Patrick, funny how you're talking about my ratings bar when yours looks Christmasy as well with those red and green colors.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: How could someone possibly put something up for auction on eBay without having it right at their fingertips? I don't get it. Sounds irresponsible to me. Or worse.

At the most I have had around 120 items listed at one time, right now I have 89. Some of these items have been listed for close to a year, picture is taken, they are listed with description, and then they are put away on a shelf or closet, or under the bed, etc. I'll rotate things from the store to an auction every now and then without actually putting my hands on the item, if it's in the store it should be available. I haven't failed to come up with an item that has been purchased yet but I could see it happening. Another member of the household might decide to give something away that doesn't belong to them or simply move something, stuff happens!
I'm sure it can be frustrating for the buyer but keep in mind most of the ebay sellers are not operating as a "real" business, it's just a sideline or garage sale type of deal. That being said I usually ship within 2 days of payment and if I couldn't find something I would immediately refund the buyers funds along with an apology.

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quote Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF: The guy refunded your money, and you're acting like an ass. But that's typical for you anyway.

quote Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF: How could anyone else be the "victim" when you are always the "victim".

quote Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF: DING! DING! DING! We have a winner! Patrick only cares about what other people say, AS LONG AS THEY AGREE WITH HIM.

Hulki, why don't you just Fukil off.

I mean seriously, how many times do you need to post in a thread that you have no actual interest in?

So you don't like me, big deal. I don't like you either, but I don't chase you around the forum looking for opportunities to behave like a disturbed grade school delinquent.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Hulki, why don't you just Fukil off. I mean seriously, how many times do you need to post in a thread that you have no actual interest in? So you don't like me, big deal. I don't like you either, but I don't chase you around the forum looking for opportunities to behave like a disturbed grade school delinquent.

That's not very civil of you. You preach civility, I believe. But, most of the time you are a dickhead. If you don't practice what you preach, that would make you.....WAIT FOR IT.....A HYPOCRITE!

Maybe Hulki, and I...ARE KEEPING THINGS REAL, Mr Hypocrite.

You have a lovely day now

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If nothing else, you're predicable Aceman.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Hulki, why don't you just Fukil off. ...but I don't chase you around the forum looking for opportunities to behave like a disturbed grade school delinquent.

Really??? You mean like you did in this thread: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/073043-2.html

Shouldn't spout out your big blowhole, when you do the same thing. G'day Mr. Hypocrite.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: that is understandably upsetting. but, not worth the uproar. not one bit.

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Who's created an "uproar"?

I started this thread as a heads up about eBay sellers who perhaps "lose" items that maybe they feel didn't sell for enough money.

If this becomes common practice, then eBay loses all credibility and value to the buying public.

I reported the situation and was prepared to leave it at that.

Half way down the first page of this now two page thread I stated "Case closed". I felt the topic was done.

However, people (such as yourself) have continued to post and what, I'm not supposed to respond?

This is a tough room.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: I got a great deal (or so I thought) on eBay for some ignition components for the Fiero. They're something readily available in stores or online for around $70 and I ended up paying $15 (plus $5 shipping). They're brand new in the box, unused.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: And just to make it clear (as this is a Fiero car forum), the spark plug wires I bid on were for an application other than a Fiero. They were for a V8 Chevy.

???

ckfiero, state your point.

[EDIT] This really isn’t any great mystery. I wanted to buy a spark plug wire set for a V8 Chevy that I could use on the Fiero. Why would I want to get a wire set for a V8 when I have a V6 in the Fiero? Simple, I want to do a remote mount of the ignition coil (as discussed by larryfiero Here) in my driver side wheel well to help keep the coil cool, and I thought I could use one of the extra spark plug cables to run from the remote coil in the wheel well to the distributor.

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You mean like how you always bring up my PM to you from 4 or 5 months ago? You really scream hyprocrite, don't you?

Edited because I forgot to underline things like you.

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quote Originally posted by Hulki U. My-BFF: You mean like how you always bring up my PM to you from 4 or 5 months ago? You really scream hyprocrite, don't you? Edited because I forgot to underline things like you.

Well, since YOU brought it up, here you go...

From this thread:

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Got the following PM from Hulki U. My-BFF today. Thought I'd copy it here so everyone could see what this guy is all about. Is this the type of new member (going on four months now) that we wish to welcome to this forum? Do we really need someone of this crassness within our community?

Always glad to take the opportunity to show what a fine upstanding member of the community you are.