Bill, this is just a speed bump in the road of life. Don't let this set back get you down. Look for a job agency, they might be able to help you get back on track. These are bad times for many people, because of the economy, but there still are jobs out there. Granted they may not be what you want to be doing, but at least a buck is a buck.
Many people have had to start from zero, several times over, until they finally found their niche. Maybe you can use some contacts you have made in your previous job, to help you find a job in the same field, if that is what you liked doing.
These things take time to resolve and you still have plenty of that, so don't give up hope.

No answer to his phone a while ago he said he was going to go get drunk,in another thread before this thread...hope he is OK.. Normally there is somebody there to pick up the phone.
Will try again now... nope..answerphone again. probably all at work. Will keep trying today.
Nick

quote Originally posted by Monkeyman: You know, you're a callous f**ker. I've always tried to have your back, but this is stupid of you. Have some heart.

Easy there, I think Jeff was actually using reverse psychology in that post to try and snap Bill out of it and wake him up from his depression or whatever is going on with him as of late.

Come on Bill, talking about doing stupid things like taking your own life is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

Arrrrgh!

OK Bill, I've been avoiding this thread for as long as I can. Now lean in so I can slap you!

So you are a failure? So you feel forelorn and ineffective? Can't get it together?

Look around you Bill. People are starving and being murdered in Darfur. The Asian Slave trade has thousands of women literally chained up as sex slaves all over the world. A 13 year old girl was stoned in the Mid East for BEING raped. You got it tough? You live in the greatest place on Earth (even if it is slowly turning into a Banana Republic).

Look Bill, we all need a pat on the back once in a while. So just ask for it. Don't give us this "whoa is me" crap! You have teh capacity to succeed, you just don't have the will. Success doesn't always come to those who work their butt's off, what makes you think it can ever come to someone who doesn't!?

Here is a simple thing I learned in my travels, if you wish to make your living providing a service to someone else, then the trade off you get for a regular paycheck is your temporary enslavement 8 hours a day. Which means your boss owns you and you jump when he yells. And he has a RIGHT to expect that from you. You were in the military. Civilian life is no different. Get comfortable with that idea or go into business for yourself....which is what I did. I don't get a regular paycheck and life gets hard at times, like right now! But I'm not belly aching about it because this is the choice I made. Now YOU need to make a choice.

And when you do, I'll even root for you. Now get off your ass and go show yourself what you are capable of doing when you try. Prove your dad was wrong...because right now, you're proving he was right.

<EDIT> Bill, from what little you have disclosed, it sounds like (correct me so I can respond better) you are staying with your folks, your son is wanting to re-establish a relationship with you, you were in the process of getting a place with him, and that has fallen through. Let the people around you know that you are upset about the situation, you care, and as soon as you see a way through, you'll try again.
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The homeless in this country have it better than a great number of average citizens in many other countries. If it's about justifying your worth by having a job, we're all subject to the ups and downs of the economy. And that's down and heading further. You are merely in the front of the bus. I gotta tell you, if Todd is willing to respond to your posts, then you've go something going for you (I think). It's easy to sit here and say 'cheer up' in cyberspace, but hard when the weight is on you. All I can add is that it's okay to feel down... even when it's really down. It can be something to reflect back on in the future. You know you always have PFF


While we're all piping in, maybe Jeff is mounting another intervention (link added for those who care). And he'll probably get banned after that. I'm only sorry I can't be of better support. If Bill is getting bombed, maybe he'll be in the 'post when you're drunk' thread (added so it would be easy for him to find).

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"Kinda makes you nostalgic for a Members Only jacket"

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quote Originally posted by 84Bill: I dont know why. but after 43 years I must accept what I am.... I am a failure. Bill

Depends on how you measure success. You lost the job you wanted that you perceived as your future, from what I can gather.
If that is the measure of success, then, yes, you failed. Which is incredibly painful.

Another measure of success is the relationships you have. I can't measure that one for you. I can just give you a measure of mine with you. In spite of SOME large differences in opinion (definitely not even close to ALL), I like our relationship and it has been enjoyable for me. So that was a success.

On a day-to-day basis, I understand that our contacts are too infrequent for that success to be enough for you. But there are others that can be a success.

My job life is "successful" as the world measures it. But my main success is the personal relationships that I have. And I have no ability unique only to me in that area. You can have that, too. IF you don't do anything now, and give it some time. I hope you will. For you sake, and also selfishly, to be completely honest.

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Like the frog is doing in the cartoon I posted, you can fight the fear/uncertainty/sadness by not giving up. Take everything by the horns. Go to bed early, get up early, apply all over the place for jobs. Every no make you more determined to charge on ahead. Not giving up is in itself a success.

For those that think I am "calloused", that is an accurate word. As a survivor of a suicide in my immediate family, I have had my fill with dealing with that kind of selfish act. I have much more empathy for the victims then for the person who committed this act against God, man, and nature. If Bill is serious about ending his time on Earth just because he didn't get what he wanted, then he should be cogent of the impact it will have on others. Hopefully, he seeks out professional help. There is lots of help available, right at the call of a phone.

Bill has plenty of shoulders to cry on. And as Mssr. DuRette pointed out, I've done my bit to be Suicide Hotline. And that turned out miserably, biting me strongly on the ass. Someone else can take point on playing Superhero, it's not for me.

quote Originally posted by 84Bill: I dont know why. but after 43 years I must accept what I am.... I am a failure. I'm sorry because so many depend on me to be somthing.... but I am a nothing.. and I apologize for that. I did the best I could but apparently my best just is not good enough.... but thank you for the opportunity to try... I have failed... and I am sorry. Good night. Bill

As long as there is a tomorrow, failure is only a temporary situation.

Sorry you are currently in a low spot right now. A friend of mine likes to say "Life sucks, get a helmet". Sometimes, it DOES...
For now, just do what you can to get through the current day. PM me an address where you can get some stuff. I'll send you some stuff. Some will help. Some might help. Some will be utterly worthless.

Can't hurt...!

There's no such thing as failure, really. It's a bunch of crap. Goals we set that don,t matter much, really.
Tomorrow (or the future) can be a 'better' day.


Write down how you feel.(You pretty much did that already)
Then,

Take a week to clear your head:

Get sleep
Eat some 'good food'
Exercise
Avoid the news (internet and on TV)
Maybe avoid this place, too...

Then, see how thing seem after that.

Good luck, smelly.

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