It took 232 years to accrue 1.2 trillion dollars of debt in the United States.
That includes ALL the debt from George Bush all the way to George Washington.
Yet, Barack Obama somehow managed to TRIPLE this debt in the span of three months.
4.3 trillion dollars of debt.
It's so ridiculous and astronomical that I wouldn't blame you for one bit if you thought I was simply exaggerating, or using fuzzy logic, or making up numbers to try to "prove my point". Perhaps maybe, you don't even really realize what this means???
I suggest you find out... as many Democrats, Independants, AND Republicans are finding out... this was a very poor decision on the part of Nanci Pelosi and Barack Obama. I really suggest that you put behind you any biases or pre-conceived notions you may have about party lines, and what party is "always" right and which party is "always" wrong.... and I suggest you vote for WHICHEVER CANDIDATE that's going to actually CUT spending.
Hate to say it but you are wasting your time pointing out history to progressives since they believe that history should be rewritten as they see fit. It has always been that way since this type of stupidity showed up here from Germany. That way when they screw up they can blame who ever they want instead of themselves for not noticing that the same things have been tried before and did not work. Learning from the mistakes of the past is something these type of people just can not seem to do.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 24141 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
No, you are 100% incorrect. My opinion in this case is totally correct, and your reluctance to accept that fact shows total stupidity and immaturity on your part.
It is FACT that the national debt is 4.3 trillion dollars. It's also FACT that 3 months ago, it was 1.2 trillion dollars.
Originally posted by FieroJam: Learning from the mistakes of the past is something these type of people just can not seem to do.
Actually, I have to wonder if it is more of a case of the liberal's arrogance at thinking that they can do the same things that failed in the past, but somehow because they are "so smart" that they will get a different result.
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Posts: 16203 From: Free America! Registered: Dec 2003
Actually, I have to wonder if it is more of a case of the liberal's arrogance at thinking that they can do the same things that failed in the past, but somehow because they are "so smart" that they will get a different result.
I almost hope that's the case. The alternative is that they know certain actions will fail and do them anyway.
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Posts: 27083 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: No, you are 100% incorrect. My opinion in this case is totally correct, and your reluctance to accept that fact shows total stupidity and immaturity on your part.
It is FACT that the national debt is 4.3 trillion dollars. It's also FACT that 3 months ago, it was 1.2 trillion dollars.
FACT...
Two words...
P R O V E I T Without proof, your opinion is just as worthless as the next person's.
Face THAT fact!
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Deficit 2008: $459 Billion 2009: $1,752 Billion (That's $1.752 Trillion, if you're not sure)
Obama's smallest budget deficit is projected to be bigger than any Bush had. That includes Obama "halving" the deficit. Yeah, he may cut HIS OWN deficit in half, but it's already 4 times what it was under Bush.
Here's a picture for you if the tables are too hard to read:
And that's the Whitehouse's own projections - so that's probably the "best case" scenario.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 24141 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
P R O V E I T Without proof, your opinion is just as worthless as the next person's.
Face THAT fact!
Seriously? Are you that retarded???
http://online.wsj.com/artic...l?mod=googlenews_wsj Dude, you might as well just stop posting in this thread... honestly, because what you've resulted to now is someone who's so grossly immature that your simple refusal to even do you own search is downright childish.
Look, this isn't about Republicans VS Democrats, or DEmocrats VS Republicans.... this is about the fact that Obama is making a horrible decisin. If you were raised a Democrat, and you're unable to think outside of your own box that was built for you, then that's a real shame... and will probably have a significant impact on how you live your life, for the rest of your life. Maybe you're just really young... and that's ok... but just remember what's going on today... massive bailouts, and huge deficits.. you'll be paying for that in a few years.
Ad hominem attacks indicate that you have nothing left in your intellectual arsenal.
Therefore, you lose.
I didn't post that anywhere... ???
Unfortunately, what you don't understand is that we all have lost... we all have to figure out how to pay off 4.3 trillion dollars of debt...
I'm glad this is a joke to you... ignorance on a subject really is bliss. If you did understand fully what was going on here, you'd probably be equally as upset as the rest of us. The United States is "F*CKED"... and there's quite simply nothing we can do about this... it's very upsetting to me.
It's unfortunate that you still seem to think this is about Republicans VS Democrats... because it's not... what is happening today isn't rhetoric from the right claiming the sky is falling, or overreacting from the peanut gallery... what you're seeing here is history in the making, and not the good kind... the past few months will go down as the "fall of Rome". Not so much in a dramatic sense, but the first day of a slow and painful slide into unimportance to the rest of the world. In 20 years, we'll be no more important than Australia (Australia is awesome by the way, but I'm just saying).
Ad hominem attacks indicate that you have nothing left in your intellectual arsenal.
Therefore, you lose.
Did I miss something? At least 2 people posted up the Facts that you said didn't exist. When presented with the stated facts you took it as some sort of personal attack?
What part of doubling the deficit did you not understand?
Did I miss something? At least 2 people posted up the Facts that you said didn't exist. When presented with the stated facts you took it as some sort of personal attack?
What part of doubling the deficit did you not understand?
Yeah, I think it's kind of turned into a joke for him now. He clearly doesn't really understand what we're talking about. He realizes he's gotten in over his head in this conversation, and has decided to bow out and save face rather than learn something that goes against his pre-conceived notions about the world around him. I'm pretty sure though, he got the general idea... and I think it'll stick with him and at some point he'll come to a realization and say... "This is what they were talking about..."
Thank you for all the great research in here, and more so for not throwing up your hands in the face of abject stupidity and selfishness. Like the little boy with his finger in the dike you are holding back the flood. The flood of "ME, HERE, NOW, NO MATTER THE COST". Those that use emotion and blind adherence to any political dogma, be it democrat or republican seem to be growing in number and boldness, and they are the ones that are abandoning their posts, allowing the flood in. I surely hope that you keep at it because someday when people like KT finally grow up (or feel the sting of their action) they will return to defend the true soul of America. Until then keep the faith and continue looking up FACTS and making educated decisions based from them in a calm and dispassionate way, that is the HOPE and CHANGE that America needs, not a single man, president or king upon whom we pin our success and failure as a nation.
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Find one ant attend to tell the idiots in Washington on both sides we are tired of their abject recklessness with out future. http://taxdayteaparty.com/
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 24141 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Find one ant attend to tell the idiots in Washington on both sides we are tired of their abject recklessness with out future. http://taxdayteaparty.com/
Take a closer look at what phranc posted. Mine was not an ad hominem attack; more like an ad hominem response. I tend to give in the same vein as I get.
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Posts: 10199 From: Ticlaw FL, and some other places. Registered: Aug 2001
You already lost. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION...8/results/president/ The rest of the world won. Haven't you been paying attention? Got some dirty, difficult WORK to do? Got a HUGE mess to clean up? Hire a black man. We did. God Bless America.
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82-T/A [At Work] Member
Posts: 24141 From: Florida USA Registered: Aug 2002
Take a closer look at what phranc posted. Mine was not an ad hominem attack; more like an ad hominem response. I tend to give in the same vein as I get.
I know you can see it... all these threads are in response to you:
Take a closer look at what phranc posted. Mine was not an ad hominem attack; more like an ad hominem response. I tend to give in the same vein as I get.
Then why did you respond to facts by acting like a total moron and rejecting it all out of hand? Besides the fact that you are indeed a full on idiot. From your posts either you are indeed as dumb as I think you are or you are a troll. I don't think you are smart enough to be a troll.
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Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
You already lost. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION...8/results/president/ The rest of the world won. Haven't you been paying attention? Got some dirty, difficult WORK to do? Got a HUGE mess to clean up? Hire a black man. We did. God Bless America.
Once again, the point ZOOOMS over Neptune's head at the speed of sound.
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texasfiero Member
Posts: 4674 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: Jun 2003
You already lost. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION...8/results/president/ The rest of the world won. Haven't you been paying attention? Got some dirty, difficult WORK to do? Got a HUGE mess to clean up? Hire a black man. We did. God Bless America.
We'll work on getting Colin Powell and Condi Rice lined up to clean up Barry's mess right away.
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texasfiero Member
Posts: 4674 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: Jun 2003
You know that every time you post a picture it does nothing to erase you stupidity. This thread is full of it as are many others. So you go on thinking you are being cute and clever in a pathetic attempt to hide the fact you are an idiot.
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Posts: 2076 From: Livonia, MI USA Registered: Jun 2007
You already lost. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION...8/results/president/ The rest of the world won. Haven't you been paying attention? Got some dirty, difficult WORK to do? Got a HUGE mess to clean up? Hire a black man. We did. God Bless America.
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