Originally posted by randye: Not as much "bugs" me as gives me a sense of despair that the general level of education is so low that there are those like yourself that would make the wild anthropological and modern political connections that you do. After all the foregoing and all the 3rd party references, (as opposed to opinion or speculation), offered in this discussion, particularly demonstrating that is is most generally social and economic axis that comprise concepts of political spectra with regard to post modern politics, you conclude without so much as shred of supporting evidence that a THEOCRACY is "right wing", (Taliban) I have offered an abundance of evidence that political scientists hold the extremes of economic and social focus on the state or individual to be dialectical to an understanding of the array of political ideology, and, again without a solitary shred of supporting evidence, you postulate that slavery, inarguably an extreme of state control over the individual, is somehow "right wing".. Need I reiterate that the concept of "right" and "left" politics was a construct arising from the post revolutionary French government? Perhaps you would deign then to offer evidence of how the ancient Egyptian state, clearly a Monarchistic Theocracy, (Pharoh as "God"), was somehow "right wing" in it's practice of slavery? It should be most entertaining to watch you attempt to make that ideological pole vault before you board the "short bus".
so, just because they hadn't invented the concepts or right/left yet, they couldnt have been right/left? and, I do think slavery in the USA happened after the french revolution? could be wrong tho....
edit: really feel for them folks who couldnt breath until they discovered air, eh?
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so, just because they hadn't invented the concepts or right/left yet, they couldnt have been right/left? and, I do think slavery in the USA happened after the french revolution? could be wrong tho....
edit: really feel for them folks who couldnt breath until they discovered air, eh?
Why am I not surprised you totally missed the point. But I just put it up there with your understanding of economics and what a company does.
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Originally posted by Phranc: Why am I not surprised you totally missed the point. But I just put it up there with your understanding of economics and what a company does.
so, slavery in the south, and fighting to keep it going was NOT "right"/conservative?
so, slavery in the south, and fighting to keep it going was NOT "right"/conservative?
No because right != conservative all the time. And the fighting wasn't to keep slavery. It was to keep the northern invasion from over running the south. Now I know you aren't that smart or that educated so you probably don't know that. The vast majority of CSA soldiers never owned slaves. The freed slaves who fought for the CSA didn't fight for slavery either. But again since you aren't that smart or that educated I understand your ignorance.
Now if you want to keep going and missing the point because are stupid and making stupid posts to prove you are stupid I wont stop you. In fact I encourage it. But your time may be better spent getting high some more so you can pretend to be a deep thinker. Just pretend some where else unless you want to further exposed as the total moron you are.
You don't squat about the civil war, politics, economics, slavery and business. But maybe you can get a good house wife to teach you.
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so, just because they hadn't invented the concepts or right/left yet, they couldnt have been right/left? and, I do think slavery in the USA happened after the french revolution? could be wrong tho....
edit: really feel for them folks who couldnt breath until they discovered air, eh?
Noting that you made absolutely no attempt at all to confront the questions I posed to you, and instead simply posed more inane questions of your own, and apparently expended not one nanosecond on even the most elemental research or discovery, I hereby present you with your new avatar:
Originally posted by Phranc: No because right != conservative all the time. And the fighting wasn't to keep slavery. It was to keep the northern invasion from over running the south. Now I know you aren't that smart or that educated so you probably don't know that. The vast majority of CSA soldiers never owned slaves. The freed slaves who fought for the CSA didn't fight for slavery either. But again since you aren't that smart or that educated I understand your ignorance.
Now if you want to keep going and missing the point because are stupid and making stupid posts to prove you are stupid I wont stop you. In fact I encourage it. But your time may be better spent getting high some more so you can pretend to be a deep thinker. Just pretend some where else unless you want to further exposed as the total moron you are.
You don't squat about the civil war, politics, economics, slavery and business. But maybe you can get a good house wife to teach you.
keep the northern invasion from over running the south, eh? and why would they do that? and - of course the CSA soldiers never owned slaves - the owners never fight their own wars. so, are you saying slavery is left/liberal concept?
keep the northern invasion from over running the south, eh? and why would they do that? and - of course the CSA soldiers never owned slaves - the owners never fight their own wars. so, are you saying slavery is left/liberal concept?
Why would Lincoln invade the Southern cotton fields and make sure the cash cow of northern textile barons that paid his way to POTUS would not be denied king cotton? I know you aren't smart enough to answer that question. Slavery is neither conservative nor liberal. If you were just a little bit smart you would know that.
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How did Lincoln and slavery get dragged into this? Slavery isn't a left or right concept, and Lincoln's objectives had little or nothing to do with slavery:
"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union" --Abraham Lincoln, letter to Horace Greeley dated August 22, 1862
so, are you saying slavery is left/liberal concept?
Are *YOU* saying that the Demoractic Party was anti-slavery and therefore liberal?
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Aw, what the hell.... Since it's abundantly apparent that you are still clinging desparately to the one dimensional axiom of "left-right", and by extension thereof Democrat/liberal/left vs. Republican/conservative/right, I may as well throw a little more fuel on the fire you have already built around your feet with your ignorance of civil war politics:
"Henry Clay, a member of the Whig Party, was opposed to the extension of slavery into territories, and he was in favor of gradual emancipation in slaveholding common-wealths. The Whig Party looked at slavery as a temporary necessity. Members were men of superior intelligence and tender hearts who ruled slaves with mercy and kindness. They felt compassion for their condition, and they were not averse to considering plans for the improvements of the slaves."
Winfield Scott, failed to win wide support as most Southern Whigs, (*slave holders), joined the*DEMOCRATIC PARTY. In 1854 most Northern Whigs, (*anti-slavery), joined the new *REPUBLICAN PARTY, though some joined the Know-Nothing Party.
•inclusion in parenthesis and capitalization, mine
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How did Lincoln and slavery get dragged into this? Slavery isn't a left or right concept, and Lincoln's objectives had little or nothing to do with slavery:
We got diverted here by this little absurdity:
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Originally posted by Pyrthian:
slavery is one of the oldest hiarchies known to man which puts it on "the right" or "conservative" it was a liberal left wing extremist concept to abolish it in the USA.
Yes, I know it's either just a transparent attempt to divert the discussion, or simple ignorance, and Yes, I know that I should have better composure than to engage such nitwits. It's just too much fun watching them bump into rhetorical walls at every turn.
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It was explained to me a hundred years ago in school that the opposite ends of the political spectrum are NOT at either end of a linear line representing left/right politics. It’s more of a horseshoe shape where the extremists at either end almost meet at the ends.
Instead of me regurgitating it all, have a look Here.
What I find disturbing in this forum is the quickness and voracity with which proponents of Hitler being a leftist enter into any discussion as soon as Hitler or Nazis are mentioned (not that I understand why Hitler and Nazis come up in conversation here so often).
It appears that certain members of this forum (and it’s not difficult to figure out who) are horrified to be somehow associated with any unpopular right wing group and will go to great lengths to distance themselves from these organizations.
Revisionist history is a scary thing. It is wrong, no it is criminal to purposely try and bury the truth.
lol The states hides all kind of history. More to the point most americans are too ignorant to know what a Nazi is. Most think Nazis hate jews. That is utter BS. They were used as a scape goat as the catholics used jews and muslims as many times in history.
I'll make it nice and simple for you. If you or someone else thinks america / americans are the best country in the wold yada yada you are an ameican version of a Nazi. That is the truth. Get over it, honestly unless you are german you have no say in what a Nazi is imo.
The Nazi,s were extreme left,no relationship with the democrat leftist today !!Many of these guys were perverts/diviants with a power complex problems Rohm(A real tough guy) was probably a militarist republican but they killed him..Himmler,,Heydrich,Frick it is difficult to pin hole these guys..goring was just a human being gone wierdo wrong,,the men below Hitler,, These brutal bureaucrats gone wild remind me of the men in the whitehouse right NOW..all leftist Idealist for a better world more to thier liking !! My favorite nazi was General Erwin Rommel (the desert fox) We are very lucky these guys were True monsters, who often turned on the people who could have helped them controll & defeat Russia.. The democrat/leftist today are the same men who favored & fought for slavery ,,they just changed thier tune . the slavers changed to bring the former uneducated slaves into thier tent .Its the same stuff and many,,many blue collar democraps /leftist who are belatedly wiseing up,,now see the hammer and sicko with its nose in the tent.. History is repeating it self,, One of the Nazi,s big propaganda Nazi moves of the 30,s was AWAKE..awake Germany?? NOW we must wake up ???
Nazi Marine Drill Instructor ..Recruit,,you amphipian piece of whale sh..., write to your recruiter to come to recruit Graduation so I can beat his azz also
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funny how our rightwingers here alll want the nazi's to be leftwing
sorry but thats just another BIG LIE BTW the nazi's did have a left of the nazi center members but the night of long knives cured them but please note left of the nazi center is not leftest just a little less of a total rightwing nut much like a RINO who may differ on one or two rightwing sacred points like abortion or gay rights
but anyone who has taken poli-sci 101 know the nazi's are extreme rightwing but our neo-conned here just DONOT WANT THAT TO BE TRUE that does not change a single fact and I do understand why they donot want nazi's in their camp but there they remain spin all you want nazi = rightwing
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90% of college teachers and pro fessors are left wing ,,many flat out socialist or veiled communist..The left has screamed for years that the right and Nazi,s are the same ..THIS does not make it true ..it is just more Flatulence from the left..very typical is the Harry Reed statement ,,normally the press would ignore this unless it was a republican,,but Harry is on the way out and the media nazis want him gone,,DEMOCRATS can kill girls and be elected by large margins (thank god Ted Kennedy is dead) they can steal and rob the treasury(Charley Rangel) they can run male sex sites and even worse (Barney Frank),,and even more amazing they can be remakably stupid (Barbara Boxer)..Lawyers waiting to steal close elections(Al Franken) congressman who put his graft money in Freezer....The republicans have thier foot tappers ,Govenors traveling to foriegn countries for the love of thier life,, with a wife & kids at home or the San Diego congressman who took a LOT of money(Duke Cunningham?)..But it is no contest the democrat/communist have a twenty to one advantage in acting like criminal Nazi,s,,because the leftist media Bolsheviks have look the other way for 50years.. The muderous yellow Jap scum was more right wing ,, the Nazis had nothing on these Slope baby head bashers ,or creators of baby bayoneting ,But they do not seem to have the same cachet to the democrat /communist/bolsheviks as the Nazis did....they were just filthy stupid gooks ,they did not build ovens.. they just left the bodies in the streets , when this Nazi stuff started,,no sane american respected them and in the 50,s people were not politically correct,, and remembered what filthy scum the average slant eyed jap gook soldier was!! The democrats use Nazi ,,Communist tactics,,Repeat a lie or propaganda often enough and people will beleave it .. The Party of abe Lincoln,, the party of freedom,,the party that freed the slaves needs to toughen up ,,to strike back before the democrats and there communist allies destroy America ,,I think it is to late we are finished,, just waiting for the money & jobs to run out .we still have one more economic rally in the country.Make the best of it..
All you traitors that HATE america and have purchased new or late model Foreign cars ,,continue to justify your actions ,,please continue to urinate on the american flag and hate me ,,please..
The white caucasian & european american male is the dominant species on Earth,, we are so Politically correct we can not accept this,,it does not mean we are better !! Just # 1 this is not Nazi doctrine ,,it is true doctrine I trust you will like my gentle loving post.. I use to be rightwing ,,Now I am a moderate,practicaly a leftist
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Typical leftist tactic, using moral relativism. The endgame is to tear down the country and society to their desired level, making everyone "equal". Never mind that life under such a system would be as dismal as the old Soviet Union.
