you sure that's a valid link? I never got it to do anything but a blank white page.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: you sure that's a valid link? I never got it to do anything but a blank white page.

I just clicked on it and it worked. I think you said you have dial up, that may be the issue. Otherwise I'm not sure.

I'll try again later. I can usually get the page to load with no problem--just takes forever for the video itself to load.

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: According to this news story here, these guys are only boosting the efficiency of their gasoline, giving them greater MPG. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk-_3frd9AQ

Are you trying to convince yourself, or everyone else about this nonsense?

quote Originally posted by randye: Are you trying to convince yourself, or everyone else about this nonsense?

Did you see it?
What news service is it from?

quote Originally posted by maryjane: Did you see it? What news service is it from?

Appears to be a show called "todaytonight" from Australia.
Two boys who converted an old right-hand drive Ford Falcon in a shed....

There are dozens and dozens of these videos all over Youtube and when you dig through all the various names they mostly lead back to a fellow calling himself "Ozzie Freedom" who is actually an Israeli - American immigrant and Scientology cult member by the name of Eyal Siman-Tov.



I'm frankly amazed at the massive depth of this.
Based on his original website: www.water4gas.com , Eyal Siman-Tov has built a HUGE multi-level marketing (pyramid) "HHO" scam network.

http://www.aardvark.co.nz/ozzie_freedom.shtml

http://www.truthaboutscient.../eyal-siman-tov.html

OH! What a surprise!
AG Charges California-Based Business With Fraud In Water-To-Fuel Scheme
http://www.fortbendnow.com/2009/04/24/37387

Wow, The State of Texas didn't seem to think "Ozzie" had such an amazing "breakthrough" contraption!

"AUSTIN – Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott has charged a southern California businessman with violating the Texas Deceptive Trade Practices Act (DTPA). According to the state’s enforcement action, the defendant’s do-it-yourself manuals on installing water-to-fuel devices in vehicles do not reduce fuel costs, increase gas mileage or enhance engine performance."
http://www.oag.state.tx.us/.../release.php?id=2937

More from Texas:
"Texas AG Cruelly Informs Us Water Can't Be Turned Into Gas
By Richard Connelly in Courts, CrimeThursday, Apr. 23 2009 @ 2:02PM"
http://blogs.houstonpress.c...ly_informs_us_wa.php

and yet more:
http://www.consumeraffairs....04/tx_water4gas.html

oh yes, there's much more:
http://groups.yahoo.com/gro...dVictims/message/240

"AG files suit against business
Texas Attorney General
Greg Abbott on April 23
charged Eyal Siman-Tov with
violating the Texas Deceptive
Trade Practices Act for operating
a fraudulent water-asfuel
scheme.
Siman-Tov, a southern
California businessman, operates
1 Freedom Inc. and a
Web site, water4gas.com.
The defendant's do-it-yourself
manuals on installing
water-to-fuel devices in vehicles
do not reduce fuel costs,
increase gas mileage or
enhance engine performance,
according to the state's enforcement
action."
http://www.timestribune.com...es/4-30-09-Issue.pdf

"Water 4 Gas: One Of The Great Whopping Frauds Of Our Age"
http://hubpages.com/hub/Wat...ng-Frauds-Of-Our-Age

"Run Your Car On Water" Scheme Could Leave Consumers All Wet
http://www.thefreelibrary.c...All+Wet-a01611587485

Introducing Eyal Siman-Tov's partner in scams....."GARKO"!!!



GARKO is a "man of many faces":



GARKO = Gary Konigsberg (yep!, another Scientologist)

gary@failsafemarketing.com, sales@prestigesalesleads.com, ceo@prestigesalesleads.com, gary@hollywoodhouseparty.com, garko@myfastmail.com
1514 N Hoover Street, LA CA 90027 213-408-0143

http://responsive-mlm-leads.com/
"Responsive MLM Leads is owned and operated by Gary Konigsberg of Los Angeles, known to his friends as GARKO"
4821 Lankershim Blvd F164 North Hollywood CA 91601 1-800-790-4529
garko@usafastway.com

(pssssst..."MLM" means Multi Level Marketing...i.e. PYRAMID SCAMS....)

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=326852

Yep! I'm sure SOLD on the water fuel nonsense!!

Seems "Ozzie Freedom" and "GARKO" didn't learn anything from Stanley Meyer and all the other "HHO" scammers...

[This message has been edited by randye (edited 11-07-2009).]

quote Originally posted by randye: Are you trying to convince yourself, or everyone else about this nonsense?

no, just found it interesting. Just because I post a video, does not mean I believe in it. If it were substantiated they achieved this, it would be interesting would it not?

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: no, just found it interesting. Just because I post a video, does not mean I believe in it. If it were substantiated they achieved this, it would be interesting would it not?

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: Actually, you can run a car on water. This man has done it. He is developing a Humvee for the military that can run both on water and gasoline. This has been verified. Here is the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rb_rDkwGnU pretty amazing stuff. This guy is the real deal, and has proved it.

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: don't be a condescending ass.

Q.E.D.

[This message has been edited by randye (edited 11-07-2009).]

Oh Yeah!! Now I know who this bunch of scumbuckets is. Billie Sol Estes has reinvented himself as an Israeli and traded in his fertilizer tanks for a shiny red gas can. I remember reading about it in the Houston Chronical and I believe there was a piece in Texas Monthly.

Nice sleuthfull investigation Randye!

Just more flim-flamery--ala Bernie Madoff wannabes.

quote I'm not surprised.

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: According to this news story here, these guys are only boosting the efficiency of their gasoline, giving them greater MPG. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk-_3frd9AQ

There's not enough data from that video to draw a proper conclusion. An important question would be how much water does it use per gallon of gas used? All the numbers come from the guy's mouth. Their road test wasn't shown, and the results were wildly different from what the guy said (he says he saves around 20% on his fuel bill, but in the test he saved 75%, with him getting 44mpg and his friend getting only 11mpg). The cars weren't the same, the driving styles could have been different, there was a vested interest in the result looking good, etc.

The hydrogen is being created in realtime, on demand, so the only possible way it could be more efficient than a regular gas engine is if the gas engine isn't burning all its fuel (which is what the guy claims). This sounds like more a function of using an older car than having something that could be universally applied. Could it be used on today's direct injection engines with the same gains?

If for example your fiero gets 20mpg, 20% savings on fuel bill would be 4mpg. You can save/lose that much depending on how much lead is in your foot, and how much city/highway driving you do. You would need to do a lot of testing in order to determine how much efficiency there actually was to be gained by any device.

If any savings were there at all.
Tests, to be valid, have to be done under very exacting conditions--and under the same conditions each time--against a 'control unit' that set a baseline.

Yes, driving habits can make a world of difference.
For instance:
Jane & I both drive identical Indys--same engine--same transmission-same options. We both drive the same route into town all the time. Regardless of which Indy I drive, I always get better mileage than she does for the week.

My one friend told me that if you put an airplane on a treadmill...

quote Originally posted by Blacktree: My one friend told me that if you put an airplane on a treadmill...

Maybe we should submit this one for Mythbusters to test!

quote Originally posted by OKflyboy: Maybe we should submit this one for Mythbusters to test!

they tried it and screwed it up.
no I didn't expect it to really work, but they didn't even get it to do anything.... (very few bubbles, if any)

quote Originally posted by kwagner: There's not enough data from that video to draw a proper conclusion. An important question would be how much water does it use per gallon of gas used? All the numbers come from the guy's mouth. Their road test wasn't shown, and the results were wildly different from what the guy said (he says he saves around 20% on his fuel bill, but in the test he saved 75%, with him getting 44mpg and his friend getting only 11mpg). The cars weren't the same, the driving styles could have been different, there was a vested interest in the result looking good, etc. The hydrogen is being created in realtime, on demand, so the only possible way it could be more efficient than a regular gas engine is if the gas engine isn't burning all its fuel (which is what the guy claims). This sounds like more a function of using an older car than having something that could be universally applied. Could it be used on today's direct injection engines with the same gains? If for example your fiero gets 20mpg, 20% savings on fuel bill would be 4mpg. You can save/lose that much depending on how much lead is in your foot, and how much city/highway driving you do. You would need to do a lot of testing in order to determine how much efficiency there actually was to be gained by any device.

All good points.