The battle's won, now for the war. Get ready for the worst. How many fire extinguishers do you have? I'm sure you have the police on speed dial. Make sure your animals and their food and water are safe and secure.
The battle's won, now for the war. Get ready for the worst. How many fire extinguishers do you have? I'm sure you have the police on speed dial. Make sure your animals and their food and water are safe and secure.
Sadly, that's good advice. Be ready for the worst.
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Posts: 3494 From: Corner of No and Where Registered: Apr 2001
So if the title company screwed up and has to pay for their mistake by removing the leach field and fixing your land I wonder if they also have to pay for a new septic system for the neighbors.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
I really enjoyed the article, wonder where I could get a forklift big enough to lift a 70’ trailer?
We really didn’t need the piddling little bit of land, on the other hand they did. They have less than .8 of an acre and now no place to put a septic system.
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Originally posted by Formula88: Sadly, that's good advice. Be ready for the worst.
We are ready for them, whatever they may do.
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Originally posted by fierohoho: So if the title company screwed up and has to pay for their mistake by removing the leach field and fixing your land I wonder if they also have to pay for a new septic system for the neighbors.
There is no place on their little plot of land to put a new septic system in, no matter who pays for it.
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rogergarrison Member
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Glad to hear things have gone your way. I agree with whomever suggested that you sell that little parcel of land back to them. But I'd price it with the fence of my choice built at their cost. End of story. Congratulations, enjoy the wine and yes. We now need pics of your wife dancing in the back yard naked since you brought it up. Ohthe other hand, if you don't and the neighbor can't put in a new leach field, this would seem to make the property uninhabitable. Which also works out in your favor, the Title Insurance Company may have to buy the entire property back. ------------------ Ron Freedom isn't Free, it's paid for with the blood and dreams of those that have gone before us. My imagination is the only limiting factor to my Fiero. Well, there is that money issue.
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Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
The wife dancing naked in the back yard pictures are not for public view. Because if I ever took any I would not be here talking with you. She would kill me.
The idea of buying next door has been discussed, problem is the last appraisal made by their own title insurance company assess it at $15 K.
They paid $30 K and are now trying to sell for $50 K.
I think they have been talking to Todster, real-estate is dumping now. It's no longer a sellers market. Besides that they just bought the place this April, I think they think they have a gold mine or something. There is no way that less than 1 acre of land gained in value 66% in that short a period of time. Not even in Todsters world.
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wanobi Member
Posts: 1257 From: Rockdale GA Registered: Sep 2005
The wife dancing naked in the back yard pictures are not for public view. Because if I ever took any I would not be here talking with you. She would kill me.
The idea of buying next door has been discussed, problem is the last appraisal made by their own title insurance company assess it at $15 K.
They paid $30 K and are now trying to sell for $50 K.
I think they have been talking to Todster, real-estate is dumping now. It's no longer a sellers market. Besides that they just bought the place this April, I think they think they have a gold mine or something. There is no way that less than 1 acre of land gained in value 66% in that short a period of time. Not even in Todsters world.
They are gonna need a gold mine on the property, since they don't have a septic system anymore. That will be the only way it will sell.
Here's a thought since what land is left wont perc, then can't it get rezoned as non residential?
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
They had one company come for an estimate on digging it up last week, I don’t think they told them the whole story.
They never have told anyone the truth yet, why would they start now.
The property is .8 of an acre, there is no place on the property they can put a new system. So it may just be that we will end up with it. There is no way the title insurance company is going to pay to have the old system removed if they can’t put in a new one.
We have been discussing making them an offer for the place. $5K is all we are willing to pay, then they won’t have to dig up the old system saving them probably another $10 or $15K.
We would just use the trailer for hay storage, that's all its good for to us. ------------------ technology is great when it works and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't. Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.
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The thing is they haven't even applied for a permit to do the septic, and when they do the old system will be shut down, and well. They will need to get a porta john and no running water could be a real bitchh.
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blackrams Member
Posts: 31844 From: Hattiesburg, MS, USA Registered: Feb 2003
I could be wrong but I'm thinking that this property will soon belong to the title insurance company. The current owners will probably get their money back. I can see the title insurance company taking the seller and real estate company that sold the property to court. This may be tied up for some time, If it was me, I'd be demanding that the leach field be removed ASAP, just so that you're part of the issue is done,
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
Still having neighbor problems for those of you that remember.
Anyway, we sent them a letter the 10th of this month that we would be putting up a temporary fence,(fiberglass posts and string) on the fence line to be put up later.
If they had a problem with the placement of the fence line they could have a survey done and we would pay half.
A week ago we started to put up the temporary lines, yesterday I had some minor surgery done and we were gone all day. Before anyone asks I’m fine.
When we got home they had gone and pulled all of the temporary fencing done and laid it in a pile.
I was in bed, the wife called the cops and had them cited for criminal trespass.
There wife started screaming at the cop, “I know my rights” These are the same people that we had trouble with before about dogs barking and animal noises coming from our barn. Yet they just got a new dog and let it run free when they are not home, we found it in our barn 2 weeks ago when they were not home. Tried returning it, no one was home, the dog followed the wife back.
Called animal control who came and took the dog to the shelter and left a note on their door as to where the dog was. They got home that night late after the shelter was closed and went the next day to pick up the dog.
They were fined for having the dog run loose, not having a license, and told that yes we were the ones who called but that we could have shot the dog. By law we have the right to shoot dogs or any animal for that matter that are worrying our livestock. We did not but could have, it’s not the dogs fault his owners are stupid, and no one was hurt.
Sorry just had to vent, no replies are needed.
Out here stuff like that becomes a civil manner, and its hard to get anything done by the cops ( since its not criminal they cant touch it ). Thankfuly i get along with my neighbors, we even share fencing and cookies
I have a friend that is in a boat like you, but in a bad area so its a *constant battle*, that can turn ugly if you push far enough ( high crime rate, skyrocketing murder rate ) Guy tried to burn her house down this year on the 4th, first year for legal fireworks and he aimed them all at her place. Impossible to prove.
Originally posted by 84fiero123: We were thinking the same thing, but if they remove the leach field the property is worth nothing without a septic system. Then we will make an offer to the title insurance company.
I would not be surprised if the Title Insurance Company makes you an offer on the leach field property. At that point, you're probably stuck with you current neighbors. From the Title Company's perspective, that solution would be cheapest for them.
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
Seems to me that theyre right. Without a septic system the property is more or less worthless. Have it reappraised without a system and see whats its worth. Its prob going to be the $5,000. Old used trailers arent worth anything to have moved. You can buy all the old used ones you want around here for a few hundred dollars. My sister had a 60' doublewide she lived in near Dallas. She bought a new modular since it was 25 years old. They gave her $500 off the new one for the old one. The only value they have without the system is the value of the land.
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Back On Holiday Member
Posts: 6238 From: Downingtown, PA Registered: Jul 2001
84fiero123, I read your initial problem post and this one upto page 6 as you posted, forgot about this thread and just read from page 6, and I am glad to hear positive things. Too many times the idiots next door win because they have $$ to bribe officials, glad to see the good guys win
thankfully we get along with all my neighbors
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Posts: 5923 From: Fort Worth, Texas Registered: Dec 2001
.8 acre is actually a pretty decent little plot of land (well, to a city dweller anyays)... given the small size of the house, I would think that they could easily fit a tank and lateral lines on that amount of space..., unless there is a ravine or rocky hill slope or something that would prevent that? Or maybe you have som many trees in the area that traditional septic will not work? (We don't have many of them things you'uns up north call 'trees')
The might have to go with the new(er) aerobic water treatment systems. It is like having your own water treatment plant...
Now I wouldn't suggest this to them at all... I hope they disappear from the state of Maine entirely (don't send them down here...!), but I was just curious about not being able to put a septic tank on .8 acre... lines+tank can't be THAT big, and .8 is more property than most people in America own.
Congrats, and I really enjoyed you sharing this story. It made us all wonder... "what would we do...?"
Now that you have The Ball and you own it would you consider making them an offer you could both live with as in sell them an easment for the septic system and you put up your fence where you want it?
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Lambo nut Member
Posts: 4442 From: Centralia,Missouri. USA Registered: Sep 2003
I would think that they could easily fit a tank and lateral lines on that amount of space..., unless there is a ravine or rocky hill slope or something that would prevent that? Or maybe you have som many trees in the area that traditional septic will not work? "
Or code won't allow it. Around here, you need 3 acres in the country (by code) before you can bulid, to have room for all your goodies, (lagoon, septic etc).
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The ROK Member
Posts: 433 From: Birmingham, AL Registered: Aug 2006
84fiero123 congrats on winning. My eyes are kiling me. I started reading this thing sometime around 5ish.Imust be insane. This thread could be a suspense/thriller movie. I was hooked. I even accidently skipped goin to my chemistry lecture/recitation class. This quiz friday is gonna suck. I just wanted to say congrats.
PS Where the h*** is everyone gettin these smileys. I gotta have em.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
84fiero123, I read your initial problem post and this one upto page 6 as you posted, forgot about this thread and just read from page 6, and I am glad to hear positive things. Too many times the idiots next door win because they have $$ to bribe officials, glad to see the good guys win
thankfully we get along with all my neighbors
Well in the beginning they told us they paid cash for the place, me personally if I had $30K cash I would have gotten something a lot nicer.
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.8 acre is actually a pretty decent little plot of land (well, to a city dweller anyays)... given the small size of the house, I would think that they could easily fit a tank and lateral lines on that amount of space..., unless there is a ravine or rocky hill slope or something that would prevent that? Or maybe you have som many trees in the area that traditional septic will not work? (We don't have many of them things you'uns up north call 'trees')
The might have to go with the new(er) aerobic water treatment systems. It is like having your own water treatment plant...
Now I wouldn't suggest this to them at all... I hope they disappear from the state of Maine entirely (don't send them down here...!), but I was just curious about not being able to put a septic tank on .8 acre... lines+tank can't be THAT big, and .8 is more property than most people in America own.
Congrats, and I really enjoyed you sharing this story. It made us all wonder... "what would we do...?"
Yes they have all the problems you mentioned above, to many of them there tree things, rocky hill side, just will not pass code.
What you don’t want some nice neighbors like these?
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Now that you have The Ball and you own it would you consider making them an offer you could both live with as in sell them an easment for the septic system and you put up your fence where you want it?
We have thought of that, but after they poisoned the dog I don’t think my wife would go for that any more.
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Or code won't allow it. Around here, you need 3 acres in the country (by code) before you can bulid, to have room for all your goodies, (lagoon, septic etc).
Kevin
Not sure of the exact amount of land you need but the way their land is, Rocky, wooded,(then there tree thingies), sloped hillside.
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84fiero123 congrats on winning. My eyes are kiling me. I started reading this thing sometime around 5ish.Imust be insane. This thread could be a suspense/thriller movie. I was hooked. I even accidently skipped goin to my chemistry lecture/recitation class. This quiz friday is gonna suck. I just wanted to say congrats.
PS Where the h*** is everyone gettin these smileys. I gotta have em.
Ya the wife wants to write a book about this and the other things that city folk do that we see as funny.
I gave you one, now you know where they are you can pick your own.
Oh and by the way we have been spied upon guys. My wife is on a homesteading forum, telling this story and someone on that forum has been lurking here. The guy keeps saying that we are wrong, We started the whole thing, We are just trying to take their land away from them, He would have shot all of our dogs, donkeys, goats. He hasn’t been posting here, that I know of. No one here has his attitude. Everyone here that doesn’t agree with me has done so in a civil manner, even tho at times I have not been.
Just thought I should tell everyone again,
Thanks for letting me vent and the payback Ideas, some have been amusing, others great.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by 84fiero123: Oh and by the way we have been spied upon guys. My wife is on a homesteading forum, telling this story and someone on that forum has been lurking here. The guy keeps saying that we are wrong, We started the whole thing, We are just trying to take their land away from them, He would have shot all of our dogs, donkeys, goats.
Now if the neighbors would only come onto your property armed so you'd have an excuse to shoot them, nice and legal.
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RTNmsds Member
Posts: 1104 From: Woodruff, SC Registered: Oct 2003
Oh and by the way we have been spied upon guys. My wife is on a homesteading forum, telling this story and someone on that forum has been lurking here. The guy keeps saying that we are wrong, We started the whole thing, We are just trying to take their land away from them, He would have shot all of our dogs, donkeys, goats.
Homesteading... Aren't those the people that sneak in and lay claim to land that is not theirs? Just the mention of this bears out another repeated link...
[edit] after doing more digging, looks like my conception of homesteaders was a bit shallow and/or outdated. No offense meant.... Anyway, came to this decision when I went looking for this other thread. Got a link?
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tutnkmn Member
Posts: 3426 From: York, England, U.K. Living in Ohio Registered: May 2006
Oh and by the way we have been spied upon guys. My wife is on a homesteading forum, telling this story and someone on that forum has been lurking here. The guy keeps saying that we are wrong, We started the whole thing, We are just trying to take their land away from them, He would have shot all of our dogs, donkeys, goats. He hasn’t been posting here, that I know of. No one here has his attitude. Everyone here that doesn’t agree with me has done so in a civil manner, even tho at times I have not been.
If he's here we'll sort him out!
He'll have to deal with Xena the Warrior Rabbit:
She don't like people who pick on animals!
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jetman Member
Posts: 7789 From: Sterling Heights Mich Registered: Dec 2002
84fiero123, you deserve credit on keeping your cool despite some really tough times and not getting yourself into any legal trouble over this. Those were some funny and tempting suggestions from everyone, glad you didn't try any of them, that could have been costly, probably what those idiots were looking for too.
Still can't believe after all these months that those idiots wouldn't have come to their senses and said, hey wait a minute, maybe we're wrong here, this could cost us alot, lets try to make friends instead. Perhaps their rage has blinded them but nevertheless, please stay on guard, they're getting backed into a corner, no telling what those idiots might try next.
What I'm saying here is that you've come so far, stay on the high road, keep it legal, don't give those idiots any excuse. Best wishes, I'll feel better for you if they moved away.
jetman
84fiero123, you have a very addicting little soap opera of a thread going here, I got to get my daily "fence fix".
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Bigfieroman Member
Posts: 2416 From: Pleasant Hills, PA, near Pittsburgh Registered: Nov 2000
Dude, why do you keep posting that borderline furry-fetish image? It seems like you try to work it into every post you make lately. I don't mean to be rude, it's just getting wierd.
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Back On Holiday Member
Posts: 6238 From: Downingtown, PA Registered: Jul 2001
Dude, why do you keep posting that borderline furry-fetish image? It seems like you try to work it into every post you make lately. I don't mean to be rude, it's just getting wierd.
need to show more skin... er furr
and yes I am wierd, I live in oxford
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
Dude, why do you keep posting that borderline furry-fetish image? It seems like you try to work it into every post you make lately. I don't mean to be rude, it's just getting wierd.
OK. We'll send Xena Rabbit on vacation for a while.
I'll substitute K9 instead, no fur just a nasty laser in the nose for that lurker
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blackrams Member
Posts: 31844 From: Hattiesburg, MS, USA Registered: Feb 2003
------------------ Ron Freedom isn't Free, it's paid for with the blood and dreams of those that have gone before us. My imagination is the only limiting factor to my Fiero. Well, there is that money issue.
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84fiero123 Member
Posts: 29950 From: farmington, maine usa Registered: Oct 2004
Went to our lawyer friday. We offered to let them buy the land the leach field is on for $15,000 , the title insurance company that is. We no longer have to deal with the nuts next door.
Except when we went outside this morning we found someone had stripped the leaves off one of Melanie’s sunflowers.
Before
Today
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Scott-Wa Member
Posts: 5392 From: Tacoma, WA, USA Registered: Mar 2002
I'm sitting here thinking that I'd tell the title company that due to the continued harrassment, the land is not for sale. Let them sort it out. SO far up to this point, I have always taken the position to try and work things out. But if this $hit is going to continue, $crew it, Flac Jackets, check, helmets, check, lock and loooooaaaaaaaddd!
------------------ Ron Freedom isn't Free, it's paid for with the blood and dreams of those that have gone before us. My imagination is the only limiting factor to my Fiero. Well, there is that money issue.
I guess you won't be needing to do this now.....
