quote Originally posted by jstricker: Steve, I've been pondering this and I have to ask............ Why in the world would anyone object to you doing rescue work, given your remote location, facilities, etc.? That's just wrong. John Stricker

Not sure if you mean the club or the locals.

Our Northeastern Pyrenees club was headed by many show people who were not the type who cared Nothing about the stock guardian side of the coin so to speak, we having guardian stock our selves did, but the club gave my wife crap about rescuing them.

I personal drove all the way to Taxachusettes a 4 hour drive to pick some up, but without club backing we were on our own, no extra insurance other than our own and no club help in finding homes for them.

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I was asking about the club, sorry I wasn't clear.

Just from my point of view...............I'd tell "them" to stick it where the sun don't shine. I know that PRACTICALLY you can't do that if you want to stay in the business, but that would still be my inclination.

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Not sure if you mean the club or the locals. Our Northeastern Pyrenees club was headed by many show people who were not the type who cared Nothing about the stock guardian side of the coin so to speak, we having guardian stock our selves did, but the club gave my wife crap about rescuing them. I personal drove all the way to Taxachusettes a 4 hour drive to pick some up, but without club backing we were on our own, no extra insurance other than our own and no club help in finding homes for them.

We do still take returns of our own dogs, dogs we have sold to people, guardians or otherwise.

If anyone ever can not keep one of the dogs we sold them we will always take them back, we just got 2 returns a month or 2 ago, they were house dogs. the people who owned them could not keep them because of the neighbors constant calls to animal control.

We will always take our dogs back, always. They are part of the family, these two in particular were family. When ever these people went away they brought the both of them here instead of putting them in a kennel because they stayed in the house with us, they were just couch puppies.


That is a picture of Val. One of the 2 that just got returned, when he was a puppy.

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: That is a picture of Val. One of the 2 that just got returned, when he was a puppy.

Awwww, so cute. How about a current picture?

Sorry nothing current if I have time will post tomorrow.

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quote Originally posted by Patrick: Awwww, so cute. How about a current picture?

Cute pup. I see you already have it addicted to Coke.

Just a comment on the dog left inside the house. Unless you can actually see the conditions the dog is left in, you really don't know the animal doesn't have access to water or is being mistreated. Calling the Humane Society with out specific knowledge of some type of cruelity is just asking for trouble. If you know for certain the animal is being mistreated, that's different but suspecting mistreatment is simply that, suspecision.

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Great Pyrenees are always cute at that age, 8 weeks old. Then they turn into 100+ lb couch potatos, leaving fur everywhere. You have to be a pyr. person to love them like we do.

I opened a can of peaches the other day and found a Pyr. hair in it.

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Cute pup. I see you already have it addicted to Coke.

Very true about the suspicion, we don’t know that he has no water or where he is confined in the house. Just the constant barking.

quote Originally posted by blackrams: Just a comment on the dog left inside the house. Unless you can actually see the conditions the dog is left in, you really don't know the animal doesn't have access to water or is being mistreated. Calling the Humane Society with out specific knowledge of some type of cruelity is just asking for trouble. If you know for certain the animal is being mistreated, that's different but suspecting mistreatment is simply that, suspecision.

We did see him yesterday outside with the neighbors from hell.

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quote Originally posted by jstricker: Steve, I've been pondering this and I have to ask............ Why in the world would anyone object to you doing rescue work, given your remote location, facilities, etc.? That's just wrong. John Stricker

John,

Maybe I can shed a little light here. There is an ongoing effort in many parts of Maine, politically driven, to get rid of rescues of all types. It seems that rescue work, being humanitarian and generally not-for-profit, is taking money away from breeders and vets. Rescues work with the State to get subsidized spay/neuter vouchers, and the vets have to do the operations for free. Rescues -gasp- GIVE AWAY dogs at times, or charge a nominal fee to cover their expenses, where breeders can charge $1500.00 for a popular breed pup.

On the other side, there are many people who claim to run "rescues" who are just plain nuts. They are actually "collectors", and end up with tens or hundreds of animals that they have no intention of placing elsewhere. At least once a year up here, you will find a story in the newspaper about some local who was found to have 50 or 60 dead and starving animals on their property. I am aware of several people who attempt to use their "rescue" status as a means to get themselves donations, subsidies, etc. The State, being broke, is cracking down.

There are so many hands in the pie - SPCA, Breeders, Vets, local animal control officers, etc., that the citizens who care enough to give their time and energy get stomped on.

Gary just to clarify,

Pyrnean Fanciers of the Northeast is a Great Pyrenees Club up here, with many member, about 40 who gave their time and money to help many Pyrs in need.

Some like us thought that the guardian dogs were well worth rescuing. Others, mainly the club higher ups in charge said no. They thought the only real Pyr was a show Pyr.

Do a web search, my wife no longer belongs to the club and I never did, I don’t really like club affiliations.

If you do a web search of my wife's name, Melanie Nadeau you will come up with some of the things she has done to help animals in need, like the Carol Murphy incident here in Maine, or the Therapy dog that was sent to a little girl down south, free of charge with the help of the Hole in the Wall Gang.

But like you said there are many people up here and every where else that use the term rescue to better themselves rather than help the animals.

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Steve,

I never meant to imply that you or your wife - or any particular group were the "bad guys". Sorry if I came across that way. Just trying to explain why anybody would try to shut down a rescue operation.

Unfortunately, the acts of those who do it right go largely unnoticed.

quote Originally posted by Gary W: Steve, I never meant to imply that you or your wife - or any particular group were the "bad guys". Sorry if I came across that way. Just trying to explain why anybody would try to shut down a rescue operation. Unfortunately, the acts of those who do it right go largely unnoticed.

Just to clarify Gary rescue at that club was never shut down to my knowledge. They just didn’t want to rescue anything other than show dogs and we didn’t agree with that.

Just tried to show how some rescues work. Some are great some suck, That club was run by show people.


Only show dogs are that expensive, $1,500.

We only get $500 for our dogs because they are not sold as show dogs, just pets or guardians.
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Sorry this took so long but a lot of pictures to go threw and they were not all in the open some like this one got hidden.

Val and the wife after she went blond a few weeks ago.




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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Sorry this took so long but a lot of pictures to go threw and they were not all in the open some like this one got hidden. Val and the wife after she went blond a few weeks ago.

Are you sure thats not a polar bear pretending to be a dog?

Wow Steve!! She is beautiful!! Beautiful hair, beautiful eyes, great limbs, healthy nose....and the dog looks great too!!
Nick

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Sorry this took so long but a lot of pictures to go threw and they were not all in the open some like this one got hidden. Val and the wife after she went blond a few weeks ago.

quote Originally posted by MsLoriFiero: Are you sure thats not a polar bear pretending to be a dog?

Funny you should saw that, they are often times called animated snow drifts.

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PS

If it is a polar bear, we have about a dozen of them roaming around here.

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123:

He's beautiful ! Interesting how the darker colours around his eyes and ears have disappeared.

Wow, what kind of a food bill do you have with all these large dogs?

quote Originally posted by Patrick: He's beautiful ! Interesting how the darker colours around his eyes and ears have disappeared. Wow, what kind of a food bill do you have with all these large dogs?

Dark colors just fade with age a little, they are still there just faded.

We do not talk about the cost of food a day here, lets just say when I get dog food it’s in 50lb bags and more than 1 at a time. We go threw about one bag a day, in the summer.

They eat less in the summer.

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Hi Steve!! Yep, still alive and kicking !! Ellie forgave me, because I cut the photo down a bit, and there were a couple of others I COULD have used, but refrained,(thank God!! She has a MEAN left hook Hahahaha!!). I think she is really quite flattered that I am proud of having a lovely wife, and so I escaped with my life...for now!!
Nick

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Nick your still alive! Melanie and I had a bet going on if Ellie had killed you after the last picture you had posted of her. Ya I am pretty lucky, Luck to have her still taking care of me since the stroke. I have a few years on her tho, she’s only 44, I’m 51. Sometimes I wonder why she keeps me around? It can’t be my dashing good looks, or anything like that. It is fencing season, planting season, and the rest of the farm seasons tho.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Hi Steve!! Yep, still alive and kicking !! Ellie forgave me, because I cut the photo down a bit, and there were a couple of others I COULD have used, but refrained,(thank God!! She has a MEAN left hook Hahahaha!!). I think she is really quite flattered that I am proud of having a lovely wife, and so I escaped with my life...for now!! Nick

Well then I guess u are the lucky one then. I can't even get Mel to let me take those kind of pictures.
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This thread has definatly jumped off topic.

i was rather enjoying the original topic.

matthew

Well, if I remember correctly, the letter gave the neighbors till 1 August to respond. I'm interested to see how this comes out also.

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: Well, if I remember correctly, the letter gave the neighbors till 1 August to respond. I'm interested to see how this comes out also.

Got a call from our lawyers secretary this afternoon, he is on vacation.

She said she got a call from a lawyer representing them, and when our lawyer gets back next Monday he will return the call.

We have heard from the code enforcement officer that they keep complaining to him now about animal noises coming from our barn. For those that missed it here is a picture out our back door from inside our barn at their house.

Kind of hard for us to make the animals in the barn keep quite. We have 2 big horses, 6 milk goats, 2 mini horses, 18 or so chickens, 8 rabbits, 6 Guinea hen hatchlings, 3 ducks, 16 dogs on rotation in the barn, 3 barn cats.

That does not include the animals in out pastures, mini donkey, goats, cows, Great Pyrenees. Plus a new addition to just outside the barn in a new 6’X 10’ pen 5 Guinea about 2 months old.

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whenever you get up late at nite, like goin to the bathroom, call the police and complain about their stereo. Maybe they will come out and at least wake them up everytime to ask them.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: whenever you get up late at nite, like goin to the bathroom, call the police and complain about their stereo. Maybe they will come out and at least wake them up everytime to ask them.

Really trying to take the high road on this one.

I know I have said I want to do a lot of things to them but I really wouldn’t do most of them.

Unless necessary.

I do like the idea tho.

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Hmmm, Roger gave me an idea. I don't know what you local laws/codes allow but how about a night shooting range. Say opening about 2 AM till say maybe 5 AM. Nah, you've got other neighbors that might be bothered.

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quote Originally posted by blackrams: Hmmm, Roger gave me an idea. I don't know what you local laws/codes allow but how about a night shooting range. Say opening about 2 AM till say maybe 5 AM. Nah, you've got other neighbors that might be bothered.

One of our other closest neighbors stopped by the other night. 1/2 mile away.

She 50 said she loves sitting on the deck with her dad 70 and listening to the donkey bray in the morning.

But as you said Don I really don’t want to antagonize our other neighbors, other than these 2 shmucks we get along well with all our neighbors.

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Well the plot thickens.

They had another survey done today, by their own surveyors.

It matched our survey, pin by pin.

I was coming back from the parts store this morning when I saw their truck. Said hi to the surveyors, and went about replacing the fuel pump in the wife's Suburban.

When they were all done, they hit every pin right on the money with our original survey.

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That my friend, just sealed your victory. Now let's see what they agree to or if they want to go to court. Congrats!!!!

Courts are sometimes hard to predict, some judges think they can write law or at least interpret in some very interesting ways. Regardless, I'm pulling for ya.

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Wife's new price is $10,000
Full cost of our survey,
All legal fees.

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Wife's new price is $10,000

I dunno, man...she's probably worth WAY more than that...
...unless, of course, you're talking about the other guy's wife, in which case, you'd be grossly underpaid to take her for that much...

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quote Originally posted by Vonov: I dunno, man...she's probably worth WAY more than that... ...unless, of course, you're talking about the other guy's wife, in which case, you'd be grossly underpaid to take her for that much...

OK

Maybe I should have worded that differently.

The wife’s new price to sell the small piece of land that their leach field is on,on our land, and to compensate us for all the crap they have given us. (no pun intended, or maybe pun intended).

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Ok...so, this has been bothering me for a while;

What the hell is a leach field?

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Septic tank lateral field. The tank itself is a holding tank where the microbes and such do their work, digesting the solids. The liquid is then taken out of the tank and goes through some type of perforated pipe or even just a 1/2 round type pipe that drains on a gravel bed buried under the ground. The soil filters the waste products and all is good with nature. (If everything is done right and if people with septic tanks don't dump stupid crap down their drains)

John Stricker

quote Originally posted by Bigfieroman: Ok...so, this has been bothering me for a while; What the hell is a leach field?

quote Originally posted by Bigfieroman: Ok...so, this has been bothering me for a while; What the hell is a leach field?

A leach field is the area that the lateral lines "leach" or leak the liquid sewage into the soil from the septic tank. Kind of like a soaker hose folks use to water plants and gardens, just buried under the frost line and it "leaks" the broken down liquid waste into the soil. A pretty basic definition but that what it is and does.

Reference the $10,000 new price, I think it's probably too late to raise the price, you have already made an offer. But if the time frame for that offer has expired, it's still your property. If this goes to court though, I think the judge would probably say that you were trying to be vindictive and say the orginal price was more reasonable.

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I wouldn't sell them the land, just lease it to them. Payable 10 years in advance. At the end of ten years you can renegotiate for a higher sum.

Thanks Ron and John, I couldn’t have explained it better.

Leasing is not an option, they want to sell it for almost twice what they paid for it. Cash only, no owner financing.

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quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Can you just see me driving it around the barn at 5 AM blowing the air horns?

Convert it to live steam, and you can make even more noise.