LMAO...just wait until you have one where the boss, 15 years your junior, tries to sit you down and scold you like a child because you refuse to think and speak "the secret" according to her standards and convert to her beliefs about positive thinking.........The tribunal hearing on THAT one is still pending.
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LMAO...just wait until you have one where the boss, 15 years your junior, tries to sit you down and scold you like a child because you refuse to think and speak "the secret" according to her standards and convert to her beliefs about positive thinking.........The tribunal hearing on THAT one is still pending.
Honestly... I've always been the youngest at any company I work at... but I'm starting to get older now... (don't know how that happened). I'm 31... and I'm the same age as my boss, and he's my friend, so it's not really a big deal, and I can give him the respect he wants. That said, he doesn't tell me how to act / think because he hired me knowing what I was capable of, and I've been able to produce.
I've never been in the situation where my boss has been someone much younger than me.
I think if you're 50, and your boss is at least in his 30s, it shouldn't be SO bad... but if your boss is in his 20s, and you know he really doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, that's got to be rather frustrating.
But... such is the way of life sometimes... you have to remember though that if you're confident of yourself, it shouldn't bother you at all if the person goes off on a rant. As long as you're working as hard as you can, and you're putting in your 110%, and getting the job done above and beyond, there's really nothing the guy can say that will have any validity. Just don't let it phase you, and let him do his boss thing and say ok and go about your business.
Originally posted by FieroRumor: UGH. SOOOOOOOOOOO TEMPTED TO GIVE MY TWO WEEKS.
I say do it. Life is too short to work a crappy job.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I've never been in the situation where my boss has been someone much younger than me. But... such is the way of life sometimes... you have to remember though that if you're confident of yourself, it shouldn't bother you at all if the person goes off on a rant. As long as you're working as hard as you can, and you're putting in your 110%, and getting the job done above and beyond, there's really nothing the guy can say that will have any validity. Just don't let it phase you, and let him do his boss thing and say ok and go about your business.
I've had them young, I've had them old. I've had them female, I've had them Mexican/Black. I've never had them that were not confident of me though. As you say, 110% and don't give me no flack. I work for me. The boss is just a customer.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I think if you're 50, and your boss is at least in his 30s, it shouldn't be SO bad... but if your boss is in his 20s, and you know he really doesn't know what the hell he's talking about, that's got to be rather frustrating.
Try 40 and 27. It'd be frustrating at any age, though...I am VERY big on individual rights and personal liberty. The company and management simply DONT get to dictate the thoughts/ beliefs of the staff........a job is just that, a job--they rent my skills for 8 or 9 hours a day and that's pretty much it. Slavery ended a couple hundred years ago, IHMO
But your stress level will drop dramatically in two weeks.
FWIW I just found out that a job I was asked to do for work, that takes away every evening at home Monday through Friday, is not paid. It used to be paid, it's just not paid now. I fear if I tell them to shove that one I will lose the entire thing. >_<
They have me over a barrel, I am sitting on my hands until I get the "correct" way to handle this.
Yes, I know they are in the wrong, and yes I know I should get paid for work, I also know that if I take a wrong step I will be blown out of a job in this minefield. I may not like my job, but it's all I got.
Just shot him an email giving him two weeks notice. He accepted. Not happy, but I had reached my limit.
Ouch, sorry to hear that. I have been to the brink a few times. I have cleaned out my desk and wiped everything that belonged to me off the computer and network. Its a tough call but I always go back in Monday morning.
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But your stress level will drop dramatically in two weeks.
FWIW I just found out that a job I was asked to do for work, that takes away every evening at home Monday through Friday, is not paid. It used to be paid, it's just not paid now. I fear if I tell them to shove that one I will lose the entire thing. >_<
They have me over a barrel, I am sitting on my hands until I get the "correct" way to handle this.
Yes, I know they are in the wrong, and yes I know I should get paid for work, I also know that if I take a wrong step I will be blown out of a job in this minefield. I may not like my job, but it's all I got.
Brad
How is that even possible? Or are you saying basically that you're getting paid salary, but you have to go in to work more than you're getting paid for?
If that's the case, then I guess it's not so bad... that happens to me all the time. Two years ago, I worked 630 hours in less than 2 months. I literally got up at 6:00 in the morning, was at work by 7:00... stayed there the entire time, and then left work around midnight (or later) every day. I did this every day, including weekends... for almost 2 months. I was delerious and delusional.
It's just one of those things... it goes along with a salaried job.
If you're an hourly employee though, that's completely illegal.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: How is that even possible? Or are you saying basically that you're getting paid salary, but you have to go in to work more than you're getting paid for?
If that's the case, then I guess it's not so bad... that happens to me all the time. Two years ago, I worked 630 hours in less than 2 months. I literally got up at 6:00 in the morning, was at work by 7:00... stayed there the entire time, and then left work around midnight (or later) every day. I did this every day, including weekends... for almost 2 months. I was delerious and delusional.
It's just one of those things... it goes along with a salaried job.
If you're an hourly employee though, that's completely illegal.
I'm hourly and yes, I know it's not legal. Like I said, I must weigh my options carefully, I can't afford to lose my job for |3!tch!ng about something that costs me, instead of paying me. And yes, I know them firing me would not be right either, but we all live in the real world. .
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: How is that even possible? Or are you saying basically that you're getting paid salary, but you have to go in to work more than you're getting paid for?
If that's the case, then I guess it's not so bad... that happens to me all the time. Two years ago, I worked 630 hours in less than 2 months. I literally got up at 6:00 in the morning, was at work by 7:00... stayed there the entire time, and then left work around midnight (or later) every day. I did this every day, including weekends... for almost 2 months. I was delerious and delusional.
It's just one of those things... it goes along with a salaried job.
If you're an hourly employee though, that's completely illegal.
It was the same at my last job--I was hourly, but the workload was so high that it was normal to work 5-5:30 AM untill 7-8-9pm or later sometimes. I worked thru the 1hr lunch break just so I didnt have to work even later in the evening, and they refused to pay for it or acknowledge work done/hours worked (company policy is the excuse). There was constant pressure to "round down" work hours (if I finished at 7:40pm, I would get....ah, make it easy for payroll--just write down 7:30)....that kinda crap adds up over a year (in my case almost 10k/yr). BTW, labor law around here states 48hrs/week maximum, and daily limits of 8hrs or longer for "standard" days---but open-ended work days just dont exist.
BUUTTTT....like posted above, ya cant just quit with no new job lined up, and ya dont have time to find that new job working those insane hours, and if you call in the labor board while still working there, they WILL find another reason to get rid of ya on-the-spot. Really, the only way out is to sign up with some temp agencies, let them do the job-hunting for you then ditch the bad place and contact the labor law enforcement types and a good labor attorney.
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Just shot him an email giving him two weeks notice.
He accepted.
Not happy, but I had reached my limit.
But didn't you just save they azzes on that big migration? You'd think they would've tryed to find out what they could do to make things right with you.
Honestly I was expecting the sentence to end there If Symantec offers you a job, could you please please please please make their products not suck anymore?
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I have been there!!! Don't let em give ya scat!!! Go talk to a headhunter.. matter of fact, Iwould take a "Personal day" on Monday. If you have a few of them, take them ALL!!!
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But didn't you just save they azzes on that big migration? You'd think they would've tryed to find out what they could do to make things right with you.
Is it possible to "un-migrate" that stuff ?
Just a few simple buttons away. Perhaps it would just be enough to embed a few squirrels, for later.
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My daughter's in IT and she has never been unemployed more than three weeks and only because she won't accept less than $90K-$100K. Her employer needs a sysadmin and a COBOL programmer. She works in Denver.
She is puzzled by their need for a COBOL person because most of what she does is with Sharepoint and dot net. Maybe they have a new project?? If interested, shoot me a PM and I'll put you in contact with her. They can't find a COBOL programmer and will pay for it. They are a low stress employer--worth their weight in gold today.
Funny cuz I feel the same way. Today I got the closest to walking out I've been in quite a while:
I'm one of 4 Sales Managers (the one who actually does everything, I feel compelled to add) in my store. This morning I got a "Corrective Action" write up because there was dust on the counters. Translation - my boss got reamed by our DM, so he had to write-up someone, for anything so he could appear to be being proactive. Bulls***, I'm the good closer but unfortunately he knows I'm the only one who doesn't work two jobs and can't just tell him to "f*** off, I quit" for such a stupid write-up. This makes two corrective actions in my file now, the other one was for a similar made-up infraction several months ago, and was given to me for the same reason - because the other 3 SMs would have just quit on the spot, and he knows it. In addition to being a path to firing me, these write-ups also effect my ability to get promoted.
I promised Anya I would not quit without something else lined up first. I have been looking for another job for the better part of a year. Unfortunately, no one is biting... Today has forced me to lower my standards. Even a paycut would be worth it at this point.
Hope things get better, Rumor...
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My daughter's in IT and she has never been unemployed more than three weeks and only because she won't accept less than $90K-$100K. Her employer needs a sysadmin and a COBOL programmer. She works in Denver.
She is puzzled by their need for a COBOL person because most of what she does is with Sharepoint and dot net. Maybe they have a new project?? If interested, shoot me a PM and I'll put you in contact with her. They can't find a COBOL programmer and will pay for it. They are a low stress employer--worth their weight in gold today.
Wow, COBOL is old school... I doubt they'd have any new projects unless the project is to convert AWAY from COBOL. Your daughter should learn it... most programmers can program in ANY language given a few days to sort it out... once you've programmed in one language, you've basically programmed in them all. Everything from MUMPS to C# is basically the same crap... some languages are interpreted, others are object oriented... some are console based, some are gui based. Honestly, she probably just doesn't want to deal with it... I don't blame her.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Wow, COBOL is old school... I doubt they'd have any new projects unless the project is to convert AWAY from COBOL.
COBOL is still very much alive. I've worked at a number of companies, and currently do that use COBOL. Lots of big companies (particularly in finance, DoD, gov't) are still using it. I'd bet a fairly significant portion of the membership on here has used, heard of, or been affected by just some of the COBOL apps I've worked with.
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I'm hourly and yes, I know it's not legal. Like I said, I must weigh my options carefully, I can't afford to lose my job for |3!tch!ng about something that costs me, instead of paying me. And yes, I know them firing me would not be right either, but we all live in the real world.
Keep track of all the hours they aren't paying you. Try to get it in writting, somehow from them, showing that they asked you to work without pay. Report this to the department of labor, they will make sure you get paid for all the hours you didn't get paid for. It is illegal to have an hourly person work hours or overtime without pay. If they fire you for blowing the whistle you should be able to collect unemployment because of this. They might also have to pay you a bunch of backpay if you get reinstated while fighting this. The department of labor does not like companies that do illegal things like this, because by not paying you they are also not paying the government the taxes they would owe. The will ream them a new hole for what they are doing.
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COBOL is still very much alive. I've worked at a number of companies, and currently do that use COBOL. Lots of big companies (particularly in finance, DoD, gov't) are still using it. I'd bet a fairly significant portion of the membership on here has used, heard of, or been affected by just some of the COBOL apps I've worked with.
Well, yes and no... the thing is... it's a lot like MUMPS. It's a dead / dying language. No NEW company is moving to it. Many companies are simply still on it because they built their entire infrastructure on it decades ago and they just don't want to go through the hassle of an upgrade.
I've heard of the DOD using it, but that's part of their really old antiquated records keeping system I believe. As with MUMPS, (and Fortran and others) the majority of the projects are either just maintenance, or conversion projects to move away from it.
I've been in a few companies where they've tried to continue to implement upgrades and even in one case where they tried to upgrade a large lab with a MUMPS based system... but it's pretty much the exception to the rule.
I think it's safe to say that no one NEW is moving to COBOL. They had a web based instantiation of it that made use of .NET components... but I think it dissapeared into the wood work. Same is happening with Delphi. No new companies are moving to it, but there's still some developers out there who program in PASCAL and they want to continue with it since that's what their system is built on...
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