Im nearly full blood Mohawk but also have many of the other nations mixed in my blood as well as a heap load of European blood from my moms side (also a ton of Native blood on that side too)

My skin usually has a nice tan to it and it takes a long time of being in the sun before i burn or begin to redden and my younger sisters are even darker and i guess you could say more Native looking than i.

But its not the blood in your veins that make you Native, its being in touch with the world around you, taking time to appreciate it, to actually see what is going on around you.

Ive been told that a majority of Canadians don't like Native American peoples for some reason going back to the French settlement days or something and i grew up hearing stories from my Grandparents of how life was on the eastern reservations and how it differed from the medias portrayal of the conflicts during the late 70s to 80s out west.

I go to every pow wow i can for two reasons, 1: the music, and 2: The Fry bread (yummy food doused in grease) and when i was single for the rather hot young ladies

I even at one time had a Fancy Grass regalia set that i would dance with a few times during each pow wow competing for a small cash prize (which i never won) or a ribbon (which i did 4 times for my eagle strike maneuver)

Close to what i had but mine had more real Eagle feathers


My home is full of Native artwork, items, and of course Fresh and frozen Buffalo meat raised on the Oneida Reservation north of Green Bay WI. I go there all the time to volunteer my time and get a discount on the meat as it can get really expensive when buying.
(right now my freezer has about half of one animal in it)

What is your makeup consist of? Who do you get your blood from? Trace your lineage back, chances are there is at least some blood in you if you are American.

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quote Originally posted by pontiackid86: Also what does yoga and farming have to do with eachother?

Perhaps you would be interested in joining The Christian Alliance for Indian Child Welfare. They could use all the help they can get.

Brad

My Great Grandmother was half Cherokee. So I have a sliver in there some where.

I have some Shoshone Indian in me but mostly Irish and German.. What a mix huh.. I'm a 5th generation Californian so My family has been around for awhile.

My Grandmother was a full blooded Cherokee, making Dad 1/2, leaving me 1/4.

If you every come the world famous pow wow in Bismarck in Septemeber, PM me. I will drive you around in a almost new 88gt t-top!

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: Ive been told that a majority of Canadians don't like Native American peoples...

Excuse me, but where exactly did you hear this crap?

My (half) younger brother is part Native and is very involved. He dances, sings, drums and is into techno, photography, VJ, electronic artist and a few other things I can't say
My step father is an Odawa elder and has written a few books. http://www.ipl.org/div/natam/bin/browse.pl/A236

Fry bread, yum

I was born in NY state, making me a native American.

Passamaquoddy, on moms side and Penobscot on dads side. Or it could be the other way around. Both tribes up here in Maine. Very far back. Making me part Indian what percentage I ain’t sure.

Steve

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We have a high Native population here, and some are blonde, blue-eyed

quote originally posted by Ramsespride:What is your makeup consist of? Who do you get your blood from? Trace your lineage back, chances are there is at least some blood in you if you are American.

Yeah--chances are--unless vampires visited last night...

Native Texan--a vanishing breed.
Don raises hand.

quote originlly posted by Old Lar: I was born in NY state, making me a native American.

1/4 sioux, 1/2 irish and 1/4 scottish... yeah i'm all messed up.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Excuse me, but where exactly did you hear this crap?

lets see, When they split the Kanawakee Mohawk res. The Canadians came in and took it over.
Ive grown up hearing stories about how if you are identified as Native, the Canadian customs will tear your stuff apart while passing border and destroy what they can.

Oh and a bit of Historical biography's.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: Ive been told that a majority of Canadians don't like Native American peoples for some reason going back to the French settlement days or something and i grew up hearing stories from my Grandparents of how life was on the eastern reservations and how it differed from the medias portrayal of the conflicts during the late 70s to 80s out west.

If you have never seen it, I highly recommend the movie Black Robe. It's pretty intense, but it portrays the aboriginal culture of the eastern woodland peoples (the Iroquois nations) more accurately than just about anything else you will find ... and it will certainly explain why the early French Jesuit priests were so shocked by some aspects of the native culture they encountered.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Excuse me, but where exactly did you hear this crap?

Have you missed some of the bigoted stuff posted right here on PFF concerning First Nations peoples in Canada?

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quote Originally posted by RossT: If you every come the world famous pow wow in Bismarck in Septemeber, PM me. I will drive you around in a almost new 88gt t-top!

I wont be making it to Sundance this year but hopefully next year i will be going Or were you talking about the inipi?

Native Houstonian, as are both my parents. Then my dad's family from the Texas Hill Country and before that Mecklenburg in Germany. My mom's side Irish and Cajun. No native american blood here.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: ... But its not the blood in your veins that make you Native, its being in touch with the world around you, taking time to appreciate it, to actually see what is going on around you. ... What is your makeup consist of? Who do you get your blood from? Trace your lineage back, chances are there is at least some blood in you if you are American.

I like your thought about taking time to consider nature.

I am approx 5% Blackfoot.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: I like your thought about taking time to consider nature. I am approx 5% Blackfoot.

Me too! Maybe we're not related!

I was born here, so I'm pretty native... Actually, there is a sliver from my dad's mom, but I can't for the life of me recall what. All I know is it was a tribe/nation from the east coast. I guess I put more stock in this generation than past generations... :/

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Have you missed some of the bigoted stuff posted right here on PFF concerning First Nations peoples in Canada?

You mean the factual information about native gangs and their senseless attacks on non-natives? Yes, people get irked about that, and rightfully so. Maybe it is a regional thing, but here in Saskatchewan we have a HUGE number of aboriginal gangs, and this bunch of bad apples has really soiled peoples opinion of Native Canandians. Take a read through the newspaper. Pretty much every article involving a murder, assault, or other random crime involves a native person. Attacking people with machetes, stabbing individuals, all sorts of random acts of violence all so they can prove to their peers that they are "indian" enough to belong to one of their gangs. To make things worse, you never hear any condemnation from the elders about these gangs, and only when the perpetrators are charged do they then speak out to brand the police and justice system as racist for trying to prosecute the individuals. As is, in Canada we already have a lenient justice system for native Canadians, that instead of jail time, people charged are given "traditional" sentences like a camping trip up north or the equivalent of a time out instead of being locked behind bars. But even these sentences are too harsh it would seem.

So yes, us Canadians do get upset sometimes by the acts of the native gang members. Something about getting stabbed or hacked to death just doesn't sit well with us folks. But then again, we do have the highest gang membership in Canada with Redd Alert, Terror Squad, Indian Posse, Crazy Cree, Native Syndicate Killers, and the Saskatchewan Warriors all having a large presence in our city, and making things genuinely unpleasant for us other citizens. If this makes me a bigot, so be it.

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What percentage do you have to be to get part of the casino profits?

I have a friend who is 1/4 Cherokee and his daughter is 1/8 and her kids are 1/16 and all are registered members of the nation. I think eligibility for membership ends at 1/16th.

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quote Originally posted by loafer87gt: So yes, us Canadians do get upset sometimes by the acts of the native gang members.

Crimes are crimes, regardless of ethnicity, and the perpetrators deserve to be prosecuted and condemned. But to stigmatize an entire ethnic group because of the crimes of an anti-social minority, now that constitutes a form of bigotry.

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Crimes are crimes, regardless of ethnicity, and the perpetrators deserve to be prosecuted and condemned. But to stigmatize an entire ethnic group because of the crimes of an anti-social minority, now that constitutes bigotry.

:BS:. Crimes are not crimes. Lets say a mexican fellow pulls a knife on me and I blow his head off. I get a hate crime. Or a black guy starts attacking me and I put him down. Oh look at that, another hate crime. Or im a Indian and I got murder whitey. I then go to my Indian court and get all charges dropped. But if whitey killed a indian he would be lucky to get life.

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: Ive grown up hearing stories about how if you are identified as Native, the Canadian customs will tear your stuff apart while passing border and destroy what they can. Oh and a bit of Historical biography's.

Canadian customs will "tear your stuff apart" if they don't like the smell of your aftershave, much like American customs.

Careful with what you listen to. Careful with what you believe.

And perhaps check into the history of your own country's treatment of Natives.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Have you missed some of the bigoted stuff posted right here on PFF concerning First Nations peoples in Canada?

No, I've seen a lot of the crap. There's two guys in particular I'm thinking of, and Marvin I'm telling you, these two do NOT speak for the people of Canada.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: And perhaps check into the history of your own country's treatment of Natives.

Don't tell me to look at my country's history. History and social studies are two things i THRIVE on in life. When i had cable, the History channel or National geographic was always on. In school i was top of the class and I'm in the top 10 in Wisconsin's social studies WKCE testing. I am FULLY aware of what the US has done to Native Americans, African Americans, Asians and even Mexicans. Hell, my old Middle school was used as a German POW camp back in WW2 and still has the old school guard towers built into the building. They would throw them onto a bus after a short walk underground thorough the tunnel between Wilson middle and West High school and then take them to what is now Chaska golf course over in Greenville.

Want more?

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: :BS:. Crimes are not crimes. Lets say a mexican fellow pulls a knife on me and I blow his head off. I get a hate crime. Or a black guy starts attacking me and I put him down. Oh look at that, another hate crime. Or im a Indian and I got murder whitey. I then go to my Indian court and get all charges dropped. But if whitey killed a indian he would be lucky to get life.

Where is this, in Scotland? I'm not familiar with their laws.
You have not listed any hate crimes above, but rather those sound like self defense.
Of course you are not telling the reason why the guy pulled a knife or attacked you.
Were you trying to rob him, playing hide the train with his wife...what did you do?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime

Fellas,

I have never understood all this the native american cr#p! Hell, I am ( I think native American) because I'm Irish? Tell me why I cannot open up a "native" casino with my background? Just asking....

Cordially,
Kevin

quote Originally posted by kevin: Fellas, I have never understood all this the native american cr#p! Hell, I am ( I think native American) because I'm Irish? Tell me why I cannot open up a "native" casino with my background? Just asking.... Cordially, Kevin

Think of it like this, the Irish got to Ireland somehow right? Well the people that might have been there before any total rule came over and began to govern the land and existing populous would be known as Native Ireland people. Meaning, they were there for some time, someone came in and took over, and bang! They now have a title other than "savage potato whiskey drinking drunks" <-- not saying all Irish are but you get my point?

quote Originally posted by Ramsespride: Want more?

Want more what?

You have posted nothing which collaborates your opinion that Canadians treat/view Natives any worse than Americans.

Perhaps you should've put a bit more thought into this before making a bogus generalization about an entire country and its citizens.

quote Think of it like this, the Irish got to Ireland somehow right? Well the people that might have been there before any total rule came over and began to govern the land and existing populous would be known as Native Ireland people.

And, there people there before that--and people there before them.
"Native Americans" were not the first---they were just the last, before the arrivals of the Europeans.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: [QUOTE]Think of it like this, the Irish got to Ireland somehow right? Well the people that might have been there before any total rule came over and began to govern the land and existing populous would be known as Native Ireland people.

And, there people there before that--and people there before them.
"Native Americans" were not the first---they were just the last, before the arrivals of the Europeans.

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maryjane,

You are correct! I read there were some skeletal findings in the Northern Washington area about 13 years ago. Using modern carbon dating techniques, the age of the findings were over 500 years old! They pre-dated the Geronimo and the Blackfoot, etc. The "native" (whatever that definition is ) sued the archeologist for telling the media about this. That being understood, the "native" american moniker is just a sham to make the politicians assuage their guilt over American emanate domain policies from 200 years prior.

Cordially,
Kevin

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Well, if one were to go back far enough, one would find that Native Americans were no more "American" than people in Europe were European. But, people of any race, ethenticity, nationality etc, tend to go back only as far as happens to suit (or not suit) them at any given time, for a variety of reasons. Few of us white folks would generally say we were originally Ethiopian, but there is a very high liklihood that we and our red brethern both were, as well as many other groups.

My father's side is pretty much all German descent.

My mom's side is a crazy mix of all sorts of things. German, English, Welsh, Belgian, Dutch, Irish... pretty much everyone from Europe. However, my great great grandmother was 3/4 Cherokee and I think there is some Sioux tossed in there somewhere too so I've got a small fraction of Native blood in me.

I think I got all the Irish genes as I've got red hair and very fair skin that burns if I so much as step outside but my little brother may have gotten some of the Native as he's very dark skinned and has pretty much no body hair.

As for being one with nature... dunno. I don't dump my old oil out in my backyard and I don't kick puppies so I guess I'm doing OK.

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

free ancestor search site run by the morman church

I traced my moms family back to 1640 in Rhode Island
no indians in the wood pile just english
but a birth in 1640 means the family was here very early before Rhode island was even a official colony
so records get thin that far back

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quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: :BS:. Crimes are not crimes. Lets say a mexican fellow pulls a knife on me and I blow his head off. I get a hate crime. Or a black guy starts attacking me and I put him down. Oh look at that, another hate crime. Or im a Indian and I got murder whitey. I then go to my Indian court and get all charges dropped. But if whitey killed a indian he would be lucky to get life.

When did you graduate from law school? I missed that.

Needless to say, I disagree. If you kill a member of a minority group, regardless of the circumstances, it is reasonable that the investigation may include possible "hate" motivation, but it is very unlikely that you will be railroaded if you don't have a blatant history of bigotry. If you commit a petty crime on an Indian reservation and are apprehended there, yes, you will be tried by a tribal court. But if you murder someone on an Indian reservation, regardless whether you are Indian or non-Indian, it will be investigated by the FBI and tried in U.S. federal district court. If still in doubt, don't take my word for it ... consult an attorney.

If anything, things are often the opposite of what you describe. That's why "hate crime" laws were passed in the first place. I have an acquaintance (white) who within the past ten years was advised by a uniformed Arizona highway patrolman he met in a gun shop, "If you kill an Indian, just leave him by the side of the road somewhere. Nobody will investigate. Nobody will care."

I stand by my original statement:

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Crimes are crimes, regardless of ethnicity, and the perpetrators deserve to be prosecuted and condemned. But to stigmatize an entire ethnic group because of the crimes of an anti-social minority, now that constitutes a form of bigotry.

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis:

So you are going to stand here and say race has nothing to do with how a verdict is reached? There is a jury of Spanish Americans with another Spanish American on trial. Geeee, I wonder how that is going to turn out. Same with this Indian stuff. You got people with deep roots that are on trial for each other things will get dropped.

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: So you are going to stand here and say race has nothing to do with how a verdict is reached?

Nope. I never said that. Have you ever served on a jury? I have, and most judges and juries are far more serious and conscientious than you would believe.

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Nope. I never said that. Have you ever served on a jury? I have, and most judges and juries are far more serious and conscientious than you would believe.

So what are you saying? A murder is just a murder and race has nothing to do with it but come trial race is a huge factor?

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: So what are you saying? A murder is just a murder and race has nothing to do with it but come trial race is a huge factor?

Once again: Nope. I never said that. Stop trying to put words in my mouth.

I'll also ask again: Have you ever served on a jury? If so, what was your experience? if not, exactly how do you draw your conclusion? Do you read trial transcripts in your spare time?

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