quote Originally posted by ray b: surprised to see your post I thought we were rid of you here too bad your came back all you do is spread disinformation here the neo-conned teapuppets are doing everything in their power to destroy our government just like the traitors they are

Yes, and with the Smart Kids leading us we can all go down in flames together singing kumbyah! lol

Joking aside, they need to put political bickering aside and fix this mess without regard for party, political leanings or the money offered by corporations.

They need to do something and now.

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unless you are clueless and want to call a earned pension ''welfare''
no I donot get welfare just what I earn

but I do call attempts to sabotage our government
exactly what it is
TREASON

AND THAT IS THE TEAPUPPETS PROGRAM

quote Originally posted by ray b: unless you are clueless and want to call a earned pension ''welfare'' no I donot get welfare just what I earn but I do call attempts to sabotage our government exactly what it is TREASON AND THAT IS THE TEAPUPPETS PROGRAM

The politicians for decades have been sabotaging the government, from both parties.
Nice to blame it on the new kids on the block though.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: The politicians for decades have been sabotaging the government, from both parties. Nice to blame it on the new kids on the block though.

In just about anything, the one currently running the show is the one blamed....Thats just the way it is. I agree everyone before him dipped into the free money pot. But in this case hes the one threatening to stop paying it., so hes going to get the flak. Regan didnt threaten, and neither did Clinton, or the Bushes....although they all warned problems were coming.

Just out of curiousity....who lost the Viet Nam war............?

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: In just about anything, the one currently running the show is the one blamed....Thats just the way it is. I agree everyone before him dipped into the free money pot. But in this case hes the one threatening to stop paying it., so hes going to get the flak. Regan didnt threaten, and neither did Clinton, or the Bushes....although they all warned problems were coming. Just out of curiousity....who lost the Viet Nam war............?

I was referring to him blaming the Tea Party for sabotaging the government.

What Obama is doing is trying to get seniors on his side because he is in trouble going into this election.
He will use the bully pulpit for this purpose every chance he gets.
Not the first time it has been done.
He has divided this country since his first speech as president, and it will only get worse as the election approaches.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Just out of curiousity....who lost the Viet Nam war............?

THE SOUTH VIET GOVERNMENT LOST THE WAR

just like our current neo-conned they were more worried about what they could steal
and never thought about how their corruption effected their nation

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: ...who lost the Vietnam war?

Historians are still trying to sort that out, but most seem to think the micromanagement by L. Johnson (D), Tx, was responsible for the failures of the military to obtain an advantage over the VietCong.
Nixon (R) with scandal, did little to advance the cause of winning the war, and continued pulling out American forces from Vietnam without regard for even attempting to "win."

A general in the V.C. was interviewed and said: We were within 30 days of full surrender to the Americans when the bombs just stopped. (he was referring to the linbacker bombings)

South Vietnam fell (Saigon) in 1975.

quote Originally posted by htexans1: Joking aside, they need to put political bickering aside and fix this mess without regard for party, political leanings or the money offered by corporations. They need to do something and now.

Lets go with this.

quote Originally posted by tbone42: I think your plan stinks. I just want my money back that I have put in for 21 years, let ME figure out how I am going to pay my bills with it like it should have been all along.

Your money is gone.

We all want a hug, we hate the capitalists lets kick them out of the country, people that stand up for themselves are treasonous dogs and should go stand in another country.

The president wants to socialize medicine but he cant keep SS from going bankrupt and we are all paying into it daily.
I'm tired of working my ass of and having someone say I make too much and how much worse it could be. STFU its not helping.

quote Originally posted by partfiero: I guess your disinformation is OK?

I would call his posts many things but "disinformation" doesn't really cover how 'beyond the sun' they are

quote Originally posted by ray b: surprised to see your post I thought we were rid of you here too bad your came back all you do is spread disinformation here the neo-conned teapuppets are doing everything in their power to destroy our government just like the traitors they are

wow....look kids, this is why you don't eat paint chips.

quote Originally posted by ray b: THE SOUTH VIET GOVERNMENT LOST THE WAR just like our current neo-conned they were more worried about what they could steal and never thought about how their corruption effected their nation

Neo-cons like Nixon who got us out of the war that Kennedy and Johnson got us into?

Just asking for claification

Technically, Nixon did what should have been done all along. He lifted the the arbitrary bombing zones in the north and started to give North Vietnam a taste of American muscle with operation liner backer and rolling thunder. I watched many interviews of north Vietnamese officers who stated their backs were nearly broken from those bombing campaigns and were close to crushing the NVA. remember, Ho Che Min sought peace talks after they started getting whacked by carpet bomb campaigns. LBJ dragged the war out with his absurd restrictions and no bombing zones. He basically tied one hand behind our military's back and then said go win with one arm! Nixon did plenty to advance the situation, he said no more BS and took the leash off our military power. The only reason we stopped was because by that time the American public was so war weary after LBJ's long war, We had little choice but to accept a cease fire agreement. Or...we can have gone against public opinion and continued to smash them. I would have proffered we finish what was started, this perhaps could have prevented the mass killings that took place once the North swooped in.

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quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: Technically, Nixon did what should have been done all along. He lifted the the arbitrary bombing zones in the north and started to give North Vietnam a taste of American muscle with operation liner backer and rolling thunder. I watched many interviews of north Vietnamese officers who stated their backs were nearly broken from those bombing campaigns and were close to crushing the NVA. remember, Ho Che Min sought peace talks after they started getting whacked by carpet bomb campaigns. LBJ dragged the war out with his absurd restrictions and no bombing zones. He basically tied one hand behind our military's back and then said go win with one arm! Nixon did plenty to advance the situation, he said no more BS and took the leash off our military power. The only reason we stopped was because by that time the American public was so war weary after LBJ's long war, We had little choice but to except a cease fire agreement. Or...we can have gone against public opinion and continued to smash them. I would have proffered we finish what was started, this perhaps could have prevented the mass killings that took place once the North swooped in.

No arguement. I personally subscribe to the idea that war is a last resort but if you decide to do it, do it to win and win big! LBJ never got that. Nixon tried to win it but by the time he got there the Viet Cong had established themselves as the "saviors" of Vietnam fighting the yanks from our "cowardly" air raids etc. Not to mention the fact that the South Vietnamese phoned it in. War by proxy is a no win scenario and Nixon finally figured that out where his predecessors did not.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Neo-cons like Nixon who got us out of the war that Kennedy and Johnson got us into? Just asking for claification

Observers were sent into Vietnam in the 50s Under the Eisenhower Aministration, then Kennedy built it up some, Johnson built it up plenty more then Nixon brought it to a close.

I'm starting to feel a little like JAZZMAN now.

In a effort to avoid the bickering, ignorance and the childish name calling that comes with such 'discussions', I unchecked "political" and religious."
Yet this and some other crud still shows up.
Is Cliff Pennocks system broken, or are is some people being pricks and tagging political threads as "fun stuff?"
Whatever.
I can be bored elsewhere....
Have your fun.

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Drive safely!

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quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I'm starting to feel a little like JAZZMAN now. In a effort to avoid the bickering and childish name calling that comes with such 'discussions', I unchecked "political" and religious." Yet this and some other crud still shows up. Is Cliff Pennocks system broken, or are is some people being pricks and tagging political threads as "fun stuff?" Whatever. I can be bored elsewhere.... Have your fun.

well, for some - this IS fun stuff.....

perhaps the answer is to remove the "tag" system, since it has been abandoned anyways....

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I'm starting to feel a little like JAZZMAN now. In a effort to avoid the bickering, ignorance and the childish name calling that comes with such 'discussions', I unchecked "political" and religious." Yet this and some other crud still shows up. Is Cliff Pennocks system broken, or are is some people being pricks and tagging political threads as "fun stuff?" Whatever. I can be bored elsewhere.... Have your fun.

It's not the forum. Your browser's "Back" button is broken.

Here is a little piece of hypocrisy for you Dem's to chew on...


The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a
sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government can't pay its
own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from
foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies.
Increasing America's debt weakens us domestically and internationally.
Leadership means that the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the
burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren.
America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve
better.

SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA, MARCH 2006.

that was about how VOODOO2 failed just like voodoo1 failed

if the BuShiets had not cut taxes we would not be so far in debt now

Ray, you are a one string banjo

quote Originally posted by NEPTUNE: I'm starting to feel a little like JAZZMAN now. In a effort to avoid the bickering, ignorance and the childish name calling that comes with such 'discussions', I unchecked "political" and religious." Yet this and some other crud still shows up. Is Cliff Pennocks system broken, or are is some people being pricks and tagging political threads as "fun stuff?" Whatever. I can be bored elsewhere.... Have your fun.

here's a thought, if the title looks political like this thread does, don't go in it. Basically your complaining that you have no self control.

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: here's a thought, if the title looks political like this thread does, don't go in it. Basically your complaining that you have no self control.

You expected something else?

quote Originally posted by ray b: that was about how VOODOO2 failed just like voodoo1 failed if the BuShiets had not cut taxes we would not be so far in debt now

True, but does the failed stimulus, cash for clunkers, health care bill and all of the other failed programs this guy signed on to, has added how much to the debt?
Got numbers on what bush added versus what Obama added?
And " It's Bushes fault" is not an actual answer.

Why are you trying to bring CURRENT events into this Ken? don't you have any class? maybe you're just a racists.

quote Originally posted by NickD3.4: Why are you trying to bring CURRENT events into this Ken? don't you have any class? maybe you're just a racists.

I will take door number.................................................................................

quote Originally posted by partfiero: True, but does the failed stimulus, cash for clunkers, health care bill and all of the other failed programs this guy signed on to, has added how much to the debt? Got numbers on what bush added versus what Obama added? And " It's Bushes fault" is not an actual answer.

is it really failed or a part success if we did stop dropping jobs
banks are open for biz
the to big to fail moneys are mostly repaid [tarp]
and stocks that fell under late bush crash have rebounded 14k to 6.5k back to 12.5k now
cash for clunkers was not a big debt producers vs two wars
heath care sell out to the insurance CORPrats has no none zero effect on current debt levels

in short the free fall crash was stopped and reversed
or as I said before the car the GOP crazys crashed and got stuck in a ditch and set on fire
first had to be put out then dug and pulled out beat back into shape
sure all that cost money
but the car is now back on the road and gaining speed
while not as fast or smooth as it was pre-crash
it is no longer in the ditch or on fire
but you want to blame the current new driver not the guy who ran it in to the ditch [BuSh2]
for the fact the car is not now as fast or smooth

so yes it will allways be BuSh2's fault as he is the driver who crashed

quote Originally posted by ray b: is it really failed or a part success if we did stop dropping jobs banks are open for biz the to big to fail moneys are mostly repaid [tarp] and stocks that fell under late bush crash have rebounded 14k to 6.5k back to 12.5k now cash for clunkers was not a big debt producers vs two wars heath care sell out to the insurance CORPrats has no none zero effect on current debt levels in short the free fall crash was stopped and reversed or as I said before the car the GOP crazys crashed and got stuck in a ditch and set on fire first had to be put out then dug and pulled out beat back into shape sure all that cost money but the car is now back on the road and gaining speed while not as fast or smooth as it was pre-crash it is no longer in the ditch or on fire but you want to blame the current new driver not the guy who ran it in to the ditch [BuSh2] for the fact the car is not now as fast or smooth so yes it will allways be BuSh2's fault as he is the driver who crashed

Got numbers on who piled on what debt?
Seams to be your shortcoming.

If memory serves me well, I believe then Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich (R) precipitated the same threat prior to the government shutdown of 1995-6. I might add that the shutdown was one of the primary factors that gave Clinton a second term in 1996.

The current administration's not setting a new precedent here.

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and your point? I love how people point the finger and say 'well a republican did this before as well'.....and?......you really think we care? That doesn't make it right, and pointing out the fact the other side did something stupid doesn't make this side any less stupid for doing the same thing.

quote Originally posted by ray b: unless you are clueless and want to call a earned pension ''welfare'' no I donot get welfare just what I earn but I do call attempts to sabotage our government exactly what it is TREASON AND THAT IS THE TEAPUPPETS PROGRAM

You are so full of crap, if you took a laxative they could bury you in a match box.

Exactly what Im saying. It dont matter who does what, everyone has their own idea of who it was. My personal opinion is like he said, Nixon tied the militarys hands so much they couldnt be effective any more. In the same way the same things are going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. We could end all fighting in a week if we wanted to do it. We caused more damage to North Vietnam 'accidently' than the planners did. (oops on our way to bomb and empty foxhole, our bomb racks malfunctioned and dropped them in a school yard where Sam missles were set up)

quote Originally posted by ray b: is it really failed or a part success if we did stop dropping jobs banks are open for biz the to big to fail moneys are mostly repaid [tarp] and stocks that fell under late bush crash have rebounded 14k to 6.5k back to 12.5k now cash for clunkers was not a big debt producers vs two wars heath care sell out to the insurance CORPrats has no none zero effect on current debt levels in short the free fall crash was stopped and reversed or as I said before the car the GOP crazys crashed and got stuck in a ditch and set on fire first had to be put out then dug and pulled out beat back into shape sure all that cost money but the car is now back on the road and gaining speed while not as fast or smooth as it was pre-crash it is no longer in the ditch or on fire but you want to blame the current new driver not the guy who ran it in to the ditch [BuSh2] for the fact the car is not now as fast or smooth so yes it will allways be BuSh2's fault as he is the driver who crashed

The car was running smooth and fast before the Liberal Progressives in Congress started driving the car in January of 2006.

Reminds me of former Michigan Democratic Governor Jennifer Granholme's re-election campaign speech where she said "In four years you won't believe your eyes."

We couldn't believe our eyes as to the state of the State of Michigan after 8 years of her leadership - we elected a non-politician businessman to replace her, a Republican.

It really boils down to this - do you want a large government running everything and controlling everything, or do you want a smaller government than
we now have that doesn't spend as much money and only takes care of the real necessities?

And I got a big chuckle out of this...........

Dear Abby

My husband has a long record of money problems. He runs up huge credit-card bills and at the end of the month, if I try to pay them off, he shouts at me, saying I am stealing his money. He says pay the minimum and lets our kids worry about the rest, but already we can hardly keep up with the interest.
Also he has been so arrogant and abusive toward our neighbors that most of them no longer speak to us. The few that do are an odd bunch, to whom he has been giving a lot of expensive gifts, running up our bills even more. Also, he has gotten religious. One week he hangs out with Catholics and the next with people who say the Pope is the Anti-Christ, and the next he's with Muslims.
Finally, the last straw. He's demanding that before anyone can be in the same room with him, they must sign a loyalty oath. It's just so horribly creepy! Can you help?

Signed, Lost in DC

Dear Lost:

Stop whining, Michelle. You're getting to live in the White House for free,
travel the world, and have others pay for everything for you. You can
divorce the jerk any time you want. The rest of us are stuck with the SOB
for two more years!

Signed, Abby

quote Originally posted by fierobear: I'll bet many people aren't aware that the Democrats hadn't passed a budget for the last two years. Now it's the GOP's fault that people might not get their SS checks? How can people vote for these clowns???

Because the dead vote early, and they vote often.

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Exactly what Im saying. It dont matter who does what, everyone has their own idea of who it was. My personal opinion is like he said, Nixon tied the militarys hands so much they couldnt be effective any more. In the same way the same things are going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. We could end all fighting in a week if we wanted to do it. We caused more damage to North Vietnam 'accidently' than the planners did. (oops on our way to bomb and empty foxhole, our bomb racks malfunctioned and dropped them in a school yard where Sam missles were set up)

Nixon didn't tie their hands, it was LBJ. Nixon pulled off the gloves.