Well I finally found a freebee electric mart cart. So now how do I get it to pull wheelies? I am going to put one of those car air horns under the hood for on the road use. And maybe those pricks in Wal Mart who won’t get out of your way. Just took the slicks off and put larger knobby tires on it.

But it’s electric, and not that big a motor. 10 amps I think, but how do I make this little sucker burn rubber?

Will get pictures of under the hood in a min.

I did see someone put like a 3.5 BS under the seat but I want to stay electric so I can run it down the ¼ mile it is to China Mart and drive right in for dog food. The frt basket is big enough for a 50lb bag, and a case of beer.

Steve

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and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.

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The slicks I took off and the new knobby tires I am putting on.



Motor and reduction gear setup.



This was on it when I picked it up.



Steve

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Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

[This message has been edited by 84fiero123 (edited 07-16-2011).]

You didn't leave the key in the on position!
Looks like a fun project, I could see you offroading in one of those

The problem souping up electric motors is that when you increase the motor output you also increase the drain on the battery.

So bigger amperage generally means bigger, badder battery.

You might want to see if it can be lightened. That is a quicker way to more power.

Arn

Well, you could put an LS-1 in it.

Or a larger electric motor in this case.

ENGINE SWAP!! ENGINE SWAP!! SBC., with open headers,ram air,crane cam,dome tops. MMMMM maybe a 75 shot of NOS, u know for those slow folks that are in housewares holding u up.

thats a com D battery or a cat d battery wont fix!!!!!!!!!

Put pedals and a chain on it?
Nick

How about mounting a paint ball gun to it? Think of the mayhem!

Well, I'm not sure exactly how this particular cart is set up, but when I got the Dolphins old medical golf cart (which is also electric), I learned as much about it as I could. It's a 36v system. Asking around on the forums, I figured out that you could easily swap out two of the 6-volt deep cycle batteries for two 12-volt deep cycle batteries. This would change the total mean power to 48 volts. At that point, the only thing that needed to be done was to change the relays (and make sure the charger would charge up to 48 volts, rather than 36). The regulators determine the top-speed, but you can easily rig them to give you a higher top-speed by buying different resistance coils.

Basically, that's how those systems work. So if your system is a 24 volt, you might just be able to convert it to a 36 almost as simple as swapping out the battery with a more powerful one.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: ... And maybe those pricks in Wal Mart who won’t get out of your way...

I AM one of those pricks who won't get out of the way of people riding powered chairs. If they are sitting and I am on foot, their inconvenience is far less having to wait for me than mine is having to wait for them.

You see, I don't have a seat to sit in while I wait for these things to wheel down the aisle at 1 mph. I walk 3.5 mph minimum and won't wait for anyone to go forward and backward, trying to "parallel park" their way over to the "cheezy-poofs".

As far as making it go faster, I suspect your going to need more battery and a motor controller that can handle the increased current and voltage. It doesn't look like you have any easy way to change gear ratios from the pictures.

You might shed a little weight by not carrying the on-board charger anymore.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Well, I'm not sure exactly how this particular cart is set up, but when I got the Dolphins old medical golf cart (which is also electric), I learned as much about it as I could. It's a 36v system. Asking around on the forums, I figured out that you could easily swap out two of the 6-volt deep cycle batteries for two 12-volt deep cycle batteries. This would change the total mean power to 48 volts. At that point, the only thing that needed to be done was to change the relays (and make sure the charger would charge up to 48 volts, rather than 36). The regulators determine the top-speed, but you can easily rig them to give you a higher top-speed by buying different resistance coils. Basically, that's how those systems work. So if your system is a 24 volt, you might just be able to convert it to a 36 almost as simple as swapping out the battery with a more powerful one.

12v deep

Steve

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and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.

Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: 12v deep Steve

The next logical step at that point would be to then go to an 18volt system if you can figure it out... but it might be more money than it's worth. These deep cycle batteries are REALLY expensive, and when the batteries and the regulators need to be replaced, they usually junk them.

quote Originally posted by crazyd: How about mounting a paint ball gun to it? Think of the mayhem!

I like that one. That and the air horn should get people out of my way.

quote Originally posted by fierofetish: Put pedals and a chain on it? Nick

Shmarty pants.

quote Originally posted by KurtAKX: I AM one of those pricks who won't get out of the way of people riding powered chairs. If they are sitting and I am on foot, their inconvenience is far less having to wait for me than mine is having to wait for them. You see, I don't have a seat to sit in while I wait for these things to wheel down the aisle at 1 mph. I walk 3.5 mph minimum and won't wait for anyone to go forward and backward, trying to "parallel park" their way over to the "cheezy-poofs". As far as making it go faster, I suspect your going to need more battery and a motor controller that can handle the increased current and voltage. It doesn't look like you have any easy way to change gear ratios from the pictures. You might shed a little weight by not carrying the on-board charger anymore.

I could take the onboard battery charger out and put another 12 volt battery in its place.

What someone else did.

http://server1.buggiesunlim...pic.php?f=30&t=44399

quote Originally posted by kwagner: You didn't leave the key in the on position! Looks like a fun project, I could see you offroading in one of those

I was thinking the

“Do not exceed 65 MPH”




Steve

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Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

[This message has been edited by 84fiero123 (edited 07-16-2011).]

OK--seriously...Steve, you can weld and fabricate...that thing is BEGGING for a 20 horse Kohler.....ya think bar-stool racers with a piddly 3hp are fast ???....Maybe a 24 horse briggs in it .... (what, you wanted sane suggestions? )

http://www.evsource.com/tls_warp11HV.php


http://www.evsource.com/tls_transwarp11_HV.php


That should put some giddy-up in that cart...

[This message has been edited by Rallaster (edited 07-17-2011).]

^^ That motor weighs more than the dang cart does!

Try an Etek/Lynch motor instead...~10hp, only weighs 22lbs. Probably get that thing moving nicely.

old slot car racer trick
dewind the motor by removing about 10% wire on the armature poles
less wire = less resistance = more current flow and more power
cheap and eazy

but speed costs money
lighter ni-cad or even better but higher cost Li batterys
far more power and way less weight = more speed

quote Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: (what, you wanted sane suggestions? )

No not really.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.

Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

Put a train horn on it!!

quote Originally posted by KurtAKX: I AM one of those pricks who won't get out of the way of people riding powered chairs. If they are sitting and I am on foot, their inconvenience is far less having to wait for me than mine is having to wait for them. You see, I don't have a seat to sit in while I wait for these things to wheel down the aisle at 1 mph. I walk 3.5 mph minimum and won't wait for anyone to go forward and backward, trying to "parallel park" their way over to the "cheezy-poofs".

I just treat them like everyone else. I know a few people that have had to use those carts, and they didn't exactly ask to sit down while shopping .

I understand them being irritating as well man, but a little compassion.

I think they should have to have some sort of class on using them, "What, you are too weak to stand, and have very little motor control? Lets get you into something motorized!" Until Wal-Mart started with these things in the 80's people actually (gasp) had to use a wheelchair, or have someone help them shop.

Brad

Hey after my bypass surgery the first time I went to Wal Mart the day I got home I used one. They don’t travel at the speed of light. Matter of fact they are slower than regular walking speed. 2.2 MPH from what I have found researching them.

But that is really not what bothers me about them. It’s the people who park them in the middle of an isle and just sit there. To far from ether side of the isle to grab anything from ether side. To far away from anything to be reading things on the shelf.

And then there are the people who insist on running into you or your shopping cart. I swear they do it on purpose.

I understand the reason for using one, like I said I did use one, once. After that I use a shopping cart like a walker now when I go. They are to slow.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.

Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

1 to 2hp? Search for "MY1020 motor" on ebay...I've got a pair of 500w/36v of those motors, you can get them up to 1000w (~1.4hp). They're not particularly expensive, and you can get controllers for them cheap too.

quote Originally posted by Stubby79: 1 to 2hp? Search for "MY1020 motor" on ebay...I've got a pair of 500w/36v of those motors, you can get them up to 1000w (~1.4hp). They're not particularly expensive, and you can get controllers for them cheap too.

Thanks but like I said it has to be 12 to 24 volt. No room under the hood so to speak for a third battery. 2 yes but not 3 batteries. And one of those would have to be a smaller lawn tractor size battery, again nothing bigger will fit.

Now if you have something about the same size as my original motor with higher HP. Size considerations is my problem. See I want to keep it looking stock so I can still drive it in stores but also drive it down my road at about 20 MPH any faster and I should put another wheel on the front end. See it only has 3 wheels.

I have to put a new belt on the lawn tractor this morning so while I am doing that I will get some measurements of the original motor and some closer pictures of the motor and such.
Plus with international shipping those are not cheap for me.
Thanks for the help

I am still so putting the air horn under the hood though.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.

Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

[This message has been edited by 84fiero123 (edited 07-18-2011).]

To pull wheelies? Perhaps change the drive gear ratio.
At least add some wheelie bars on the back, and a big ol set of velocity stacks somewhere for looks.
And don't forget---each ricer emblem added = 5 instant hp.

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quote Originally posted by maryjane: To pull wheelies? Perhaps change the drive gear ratio. At least add some wheelie bars on the back, and a big ol set of velocity stacks somewhere for looks. And don't forget---each ricer emblem added = 5 instant hp.

I knew I could depend on you to know just what I wanted.

I am looking into changing pulley sizes, but that will not help much as it will still be the same 1/10 HP motor. I really need a bigger motor to change pulley size, I think. I don’t know.

And oh ya I figured a Crane Cam decal should give it at least 2 more HP.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.

Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

I think what KurtAKX is primarily complaining about are the people you see riding them, who REALLY REALLY should be walking instead. I know exactly the type of people he's talking about. It's usually an overweight woman, she's probably there with her foodstamp card... and she's carting around with a holier than hell attitude. I know the exact kind of person. Look, if someone actually NEEDS welfare, I can appreciate that, but this is the kind of person who, like using the go-around cart, rather than walking, really is just taking advantage of every opportunity they can. These are people who walk from their cars to the front of the store, but then decide to cruise around on those carts because they're lazy... not because they have back injuries or trouble walking. These are people who just don't care and have let themselves go, and the cart serves as yet another enabling device for them to continue on their path of apathy.

Those are the people who you get annoyed with. But it's in my nature to automatically open doors, and be polite, and move out of the way. When I'm in New York, or some other fairly large city walking down the side-walk, I have to make a concious effort to walk in a straight line so people have to move out of my way, rather than me moving out of their way all the time.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I think what KurtAKX is primarily complaining about are the people you see riding them, who REALLY REALLY should be walking instead. I know exactly the type of people he's talking about. It's usually an overweight woman, she's probably there with her foodstamp card... and she's carting around with a holier than hell attitude. I know the exact kind of person. Look, if someone actually NEEDS welfare, I can appreciate that, but this is the kind of person who, like using the go-around cart, rather than walking, really is just taking advantage of every opportunity they can. These are people who walk from their cars to the front of the store, but then decide to cruise around on those carts because they're lazy... not because they have back injuries or trouble walking. These are people who just don't care and have let themselves go, and the cart serves as yet another enabling device for them to continue on their path of apathy. Those are the people who you get annoyed with. But it's in my nature to automatically open doors, and be polite, and move out of the way. When I'm in New York, or some other fairly large city walking down the side-walk, I have to make a concious effort to walk in a straight line so people have to move out of my way, rather than me moving out of their way all the time.

Completely agree, there is a weight limit on those things. I think it is around 300 lbs. and some of those people I see on those weight in at closer to 500 lbs. I knew what he was talking about and do agree with that part.

Steve

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Technology is great when it works,
and one big pain in the ass when it doesn't.

Detroit iron rules all the rest are just toys.

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Completely agree, there is a weight limit on those things. I think it is around 300 lbs. and some of those people I see on those weight in at closer to 500 lbs. I knew what he was talking about and do agree with that part. Steve

I can agree with that too.

Brad

quote Originally posted by 84fiero123: Completely agree, there is a weight limit on those things. I think it is around 300 lbs. and some of those people I see on those weight in at closer to 500 lbs. I knew what he was talking about and do agree with that part. Steve

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

The woman on the bike was at least 50 btw.



Brad

Pies, and cakes, and pastries oh my!! Full speed ahead!!