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WHO IS RICK PERRY??? POSSIBLY
OUR NEXT PREDIDENT???


He is a fifth generation Texan, the son of hardscrabble west Texas tenant farmers – Democrats but conservatives through and through. He grew up in a farm town too small to be on the state map. Life was so hard that he was six years old before his house had indoor plumbing. His mother sewed his clothes, including the underwear he wore to college.

He is an Eagle Scout. After Paint Creek High School , he attended Texas A&M, graduated, and was commissioned into the Air Force where he became a C-130 pilot.

Now 61 years old, he has won nine elections to four different offices in Texas state government. In the first three elections he ran as a Democrat then switched to the Republican Party. He is currently the 47th governor of Texas – a position he has held for 11 years, the longest tenure of any governor in the nation.

He has never lost an election.

Rick Perry was the Lieutenant Governor to whom Governor George Bush handed over the office after winning the 2000 Presidential election. Since then, Perry won gubernatorial elections in 2002, 2004, and 2010, the last time by 55% against a field consisting of a Democrat, a Libertarian, a Green Party, and an Independent.

Since he became its Governor, Texas – a right to work state that taxes neither personal income nor capital gains – has added more jobs than the other 49 states combined. In the last two years, low taxes and little regulation led his state to create 47% of all jobs created in the entire nation. Five of the top ten cities with the highest job growth in the nation are in Texas . People follow jobs, so in the last four years for which data are available, Texas led every state in net interstate migration growth.

Perry signed ground-breaking “loser pays” tort reform and medical litigation rules that caused malpractice insurance rates to fall. Some 20,000 doctors have since moved to Texas .

Texas boasts 58 of the Fortune 500 companies – more than any other state. Since May 2011 Texas resumed its pre-recession employment levels. Only two other states and the District of Columbia have done that.

Texas ships 16% of the nation’s export value. California trails at 11%. Of the 70 companies that have fled California so far in 2011, 14 relocated in Texas .

In this year’s Texas legislative season, Perry got most of what he wanted. With no new taxes, a fiscally lean state budget was passed leaving $6 billion in a rainy day fund even as other states around the country struggled to balance budgets and avoid more deficit borrowing. A voter ID bill passed that was designed to prevent ballot box fraud and illegal voting. A bill passed that makes plaintiffs pay court costs and attorney fees if their suits are deemed frivolous.

Perry scored points even in his legislative failures. He failed to get sanctuary cities banned – Texas towns in which police cannot question detainees about their immigration status. The blame fell on the legislature. Perry also failed to get a so-called “anti-groping” bill passed that would put Transportation Security Administration agents in prison if they touch the genitals, anus, or breasts of passengers in a pat down. Federal officials threatened to halt all flights out of Texas airports and the bill died in special session. That endeared Texans even more to TSA employees living in Texas .
Perry jogs daily in the morning. He has no bodyguard with him, but his daughter’s dog runs by his side and he carries a laser-guided automatic pistol in his belt. Last year while jogging in an undeveloped area, a coyote paralleled his jogging route, eyeing his dog. He drew his pistol and killed the animal with one shot, leaving it where it fell. “He became mulch," Perry said. Animal rights groups protested, but Perry shrugged it off. “Don’t come after my dog,” he warned them.

Recently, Obama asked Perry to delay the July 7 execution of Humberto Leal in order to comply with the International Court of Justice in The Hague and the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations. Perry refused. Therefore Obama asked the US Supreme Court to delay the execution because it would damage US foreign relations. The Court refused 5-4 and Perry ordered the execution to go forward as scheduled. Over the howls of diplomats, politicians, and the UN, Leal was administered a lethal injection at 6:20 p.m. Before he died, he admitted his guilt and asked for forgiveness.

The case has special implications for Perry, who is considering a run for the presidency in 2012. Even his critics resent federal interference in a Texas execution, which is related to a state, not a federal, crime – an alcohol and drug-fueled rape and murder 17 years ago by an illegal whose family brought him into the country 35 years ago as a child. The interference hinges not on the man’s guilt, which Leal’s advocates acknowledged, but on a technicality – failure to inform Leal that he could have gotten legal representation from the Mexican consulate in lieu of the court-appointed attorneys who represented him. Independent Texans saw Obama’s interference as another intrusion of federal power into the affairs of a state, which could cost Obama support in other states.

Needless to say, Perry is a hard-edged conservative and a ferocious defender of 10th Amendments rights (“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”) – an explicit restriction of the federal government to only those powers granted in the Constitution. Perry accuses the federal government, especially the Obama administration, of illegal overreach.

Perry said “no thanks” to the feds whose stimulus offered taxpayer dollars for education and unemployment assistance. The strings on “free money” from Washington , he said, would restrict Texas in managing its own affairs. Perry even depleted all state funds to fight recent wildfires before asking Washington for disaster relief. His request has been ignored, which comes across as an unvarnished federal power play, further pitting Perry and Texans against the federal government.

Perry is ruggedly handsome – a modern Marlboro kind of man – whom the late Texan and liberal columnist, Molly Ivins, called "Governor Goodhair.” His high octane rhetoric is unmistakably conservative. Speaking to the Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans last month, he pumped the air with both fists as he strode to the podium. “Whew!’ he cried repeatedly. “Yeah!” He was like an excited race horse being shoved into a starting gate.

I stand before you today a disciplined conservative Texan -- a committed Republican and a proud American -- united with you in the desire to restore our nation and revive the American dream…

Our party cannot be all things to all people. It can't be. And our loudest opponents on the left are never gonna’ like us so let's quit trying to curry favor with 'em! … Let's speak with pride about our morals and our values and redouble our effort to elect more conservative Republicans. Let's stop this American downward spiral! …

This administration in Washington that's in power now clearly believes that government is not only the answer to every need, but it's the most qualified to make essential decisions for every American in every area. That mix of arrogance and audacity that guides the Obama administration is an affront to every freedom-loving American and a threat to every private sector job in this country.

Perry’s speech was a tea partier’s delight. The almost cocky swagger. The Texas accent. But I wonder how it would sell to political independents – those more pragmatic than ideological?

Then after initially embracing Bush’s “No Child Left Behind” law, Perry turned against it, calling it “a monstrous intrusion into our (i.e. the Texas education system) affairs” in an interview. His 10th Amendment fire-breathing can’t be contained.

Bush ran as a “compassionate conservative,” probably a euphemism for the liberalism of his rich family, which is what caused Reagan to balance his conservative ticket with running mate George H. W. Bush. Perry will have to show that he intends to reverse the reckless spending of the Bush-Obama years.

Bush ran as a “uniter, not a divider.” Perry will have to show that he intends to be an unmistakable contrast to everything Obama stands for and will undo the Obama program, even as Clinton undid the Reagan legacy and Obama undid the Bush programs, complaining all the while that Bush was responsible for everything that was wrong with America .

Should Obama be concerned if Perry runs? Absolutely. Obama cannot run on his record – an unpopular healthcare law, a failed stimulus, unprecedented spending and debt, a jobless “recovery” and the threat of a double-dip recession, not to mention a foreign policy he can’t explain and his undeclared war on Libya . Obama’s record is a disaster. Perry by contrast produced in Texas an oasis of prosperity in a sea of misery during the Obama years.

Not being able to defend his own economic record, or attack Perry's, Obama might try to paint Perry as a representative of the far right. That wouldn't be easy. Perry served three terms in the Texas House as a Democrat, and supported Al Gore's 1988 presidential bid. That was when there were still some conservative Democrats. Perry switched to the Republican Party in 1989 when the Democrat Party began moving left.

Obama might attack Perry’s ideological extremism. But Perry could remind voters that Reagan was initially painted as a conservative extremist, until Reagan’s folksy “Now there you go again” confidence showed Americans that the extremist was in the White House. Reagan’s proof was the economic chaos Carter had wrought (“Are you better off now than you were four years ago?”) and the foreign policy catastrophes his policies produced in Iran , whose hostage crisis was nearing 400 days.

Unlike Perry, Obama is all hat and no cattle. There is no Obama thrust that Perry can’t parry if he keeps his good humor and enthusiasm and reminds Americans that, yes, his flaws are large – until you compare them with Obama’s.

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Texans for Sensible Immigration Policy

We need a sensible immigration policy that secures the border and recognizes the need for continued employment of the current immigrant workforce and a program to meet future employment needs. Such a policy would:
Our Supporters:

■Secure the border, and use our "Special Forces" to eliminate the Drug Cartels, Smugglers and Thugs.
■Create a pathway to "legal status" for our illegal immigrant workforce (those with no violent criminal record). Issue Positive ID permits allowing work and travel. Allow no shortcut to citizenship except for military service.
■Allow the "permit workers" to only work for employers that withhold and match taxes, thus eliminating the misclassification of illegal immigrants as "independent contractors."
■Develop a viable and efficient visa work program that allows for a timely and reasonable flow of immigrant workers to meet future employment needs
■We are proposing the following “plank” or resolution be adopted by the Texas Republican Party.

Stop Illegal Immigration

Texans resolve to urge Congress to develop a SENSIBLE IMMIGRATION POLICY!

Americans deserve a policy that effectively controls our borders, positively identifies all non-citizens, deports those with violent criminal records. Immigrants that came here illegally of their own accord should have no pathway to citizenship with the exception of military service.

We do not support amnesty. Work permits for non-citizens should be issued only to those who submit to a positive ID process including criminal background check and agree to pay fines and penalty payroll taxes in excess of taxes paid by citizens.

Employers of non-citizens should be required to match those penalty payroll taxes as an incentive to hire U.S. citizens first!


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THIS...is what we desparately need instead of Obama-care!

"Perry signed ground-breaking “loser pays” tort reform and medical litigation rules that caused malpractice insurance rates to fall. Some 20,000 doctors have since moved to Texas ."
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Rick Perry, the Democrat years.
 
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Gov. Rick Perry, a no-apologies conservative known for slashing government spending and opposing all tax increases, is about as Republican as you can get.

But that wasn’t always the case.

Perry spent his first six years in politics as a Democrat, in a somewhat forgotten history that is sure to be revived and scrutinized by Republican opponents if he decides to run for president.

A raging liberal he was not. Elected to represent a slice of rural West Texas in the state House of Representatives in 1984, Perry, a young rancher and cotton farmer, gained an early reputation as a fiscal conservative. He was one of a handful of freshman “pit bulls,” so named because they sat in the lower pit of the House Appropriations Committee, where they fought to keep spending low.

But Perry cast some votes and took a few stands that seem to be at odds with the fiscal conservatism he champions today. The most vivid example is Perry’s support of the $5.7 billion tax hike in 1987, signed by Republican Gov. Bill Clements but opposed by most of the GOP members. The bill passed by a relatively close 78-70 in the Texas House. Even without adjusting for inflation, the legislation triggered the largest tax increase ever passed in modern Texas, according to Dale Craymer, president of the Texas Taxpayers and Research Association. Today, taking inflation into account, it would be worth more than $11 billion.

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Craymer said the new taxes were used to plug a massive budget shortfall, with the money representing about 20 percent of the general revenue raised during that two-year budget period.

Almost a quarter century later, Perry, as governor, was faced with a similarly sized budget shortfall. But he took a markedly different tack in 2011: He opposed any new taxes, and signed a budget that made the first reduction in overall spending on public education since at least 1949.

Perry spokesman Mark Miner said votes taken decades ago don’t undermine the governor’s overall record, which he said includes the largest property tax cut in state history, enacted in 2006.

“You can pull votes from the 1980s, but the overall track record is one of fiscal responsibility and conservatism,” Miner said.

As a House Democrat, Perry also co-authored legislation aimed at tripling the amount of money state legislators are paid, House records show. In a 1989 interview with the Abilene Reporter-News, Perry cited the financial hardships Texas legislators faced trying to make a living back home while making a yearly salary of only $7,200 as part-time lawmakers. Voters rejected the proposal in a statewide referendum.



Perry said he could make ends meet only because his father tended to the farm while his wife worked as a nurse in Haskell, her hometown.

“I really don’t know how people in the insurance business or the real estate business do it. That’s one reason I voted for the pay raise,” Perry told the newspaper. “I think all the people of Texas ought to be able to serve.”

Miner said Perry no longer favored giving legislators a pay increase.

Another political move Perry made back then: He was a top Texas supporter and organizer in 1988 for Al Gore, who ran as a southern conservative rather than the populist reformer he eventually became as the 2000 Democratic presidential nominee.

“I came to my senses,” Perry likes to say when asked about his Gore days.

Perry can trace his political heritage back to a great-great grandfather, D.H. Hamilton, a former state legislator from Trinity County. Perry’s own father, Ray Perry, served as a county commissioner in Haskell County for almost 30 years. They were Southern Democrats, from the party that produced politicians like Sam Rayburn and Lyndon Baines Johnson.

In 1984, Rick Perry, then a young rancher and former Air Force pilot from Paint Creek, about 60 miles north of Abilene, was recruited by fellow Democrats to run for a House seat vacated by Rep. Joe Hanna, according to interviews and news articles. Democrat John Sharp, the former state comptroller who was Perry’s old college buddy, recalls getting a call from Clyde Wells, then the chairman of the Texas A&M System Board of Regents. Wells wondered who might make a good replacement for Hanna.

“I said: ‘Yeah, there was a guy in my outfit who’s from Haskell. Let’s find out if he’s still in the Air Force,” Sharp recalled saying of Perry. “Three weeks later he was in the race.”

Perry easily won and quickly became known as a rising star in the Texas House.

Then-House Speaker Gib Lewis, D-Fort Worth, decided to appoint several freshman lawmakers to the House Appropriations Committee — members he knew he could count on to keep spending low.

“All of them were very conservative guys and had a good head on their shoulders, and that’s how I picked 'em,” Lewis recalled. “When he first came to the Legislature it was predominately white, Democratic, conservative. He was one of them, and I was, too.”

No matter the label beside his name, the news coverage of Perry’s early years reveals the same ambition and enthusiasm for public office that the governor has brought to the national stage as a potential presidential candidate.

In one of the first lengthy newspaper profiles ever written about Perry, in the Abilene Reporter-News, fellow Rep. Cliff Johnson, now a lobbyist and longtime friend, said of the of the West Texas farm boy: “He’s one of the top two or three (representatives) of the freshman class. I think the sky is the limit.”

Perry’s wife, Anita, told the paper a few years later: “He breathes politics.”

At the beginning of his six-year run in the state House, Perry shot down the notion that he might switch parties despite his conservative leanings that put him at odds with his party leaders. After former U.S. Rep. Kent Hance of Lubbock defected to the Republican Party in 1985, Perry told the Abilene paper he was “disappointed,” saying he planned to “change my party” rather than defect to the other side.

“I want the left hand side of the party to make the right hand side of the party comfortable,” Perry was quoted as saying. Hance, now chancellor of Texas Tech University, said he remembers telling Perry, “‘Good luck on it. I don’t think you can do it.' … And sure enough he couldn’t.’’

The gap was obvious by 1989, his last year in the Legislature, when Perry carried a workers' compensation insurance bill that angered the Texas trial lawyers, then a much more powerful force in state politics. That same year The Dallas Morning News named Perry one of the state's ten best legislators, but he was ripped by another publication.

The liberal Texas Observer called Perry the “Benedict Arnold of the Democratic Party” for siding too often with Clements, the Republican governor, and not enough with his Democratic colleagues.

“If the Texas Observer ever says anything good about me, then I’ve been hit on the head and they can send me back home,” Perry quipped.

Rumors that Perry would defect to the GOP — and run against populist Democratic Agriculture Commissioner Jim Hightower — picked up steam by late 1989. On Sept. 29, 1989, he made it official at a Capitol press conference. At his side were GOP chairman Fred Meyer and U.S. Sen. Phil Gramm, a former Democrat who was aggressively courting would-be converts.

“I intend to vote the same convictions,” Perry said. “The only difference is there will be an R beside my name.”

Perry’s timing, now legendary, could not have been better. He was one of only two Republicans elected to nonjudicial statewide office in 1990. Eight years later, Republicans swept every one of them.

“Perry has been a risk taker,” said Hance, the party-switcher who became Texas Tech chancellor. “And if you look at Perry’s timing in every race, he’s been the golden guy.”


Rick Perry on Illegal Immigration.
 
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Rick Perry's kinder, gentler view on illegal immigrants: Will it cost him?

Gov. Rick Perry's Texas was the first state to let illegal immigrants pay in-state tuition rates at public colleges. He defended that decision during Monday's presidential debate, amid loud boos.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry’s support of in-state college tuition rates for children of illegal immigrants is raising eyebrows among tea party Republicans and is giving his challengers for the GOP presidential nomination fresh ammunition to attack him.

At a presidential debate Monday night, a tea-party infused audience booed Governor Perry when he defended his state's practice, and fellow candidates –particularly Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, and Mitt Romney – criticized him for signing legislation in 2001 that made Texas the first state to let undocumented residents who graduate from Texas high schools pay the same college tuition rates as legal residents. Since then, 12 other states have enacted similar laws.

“The American way is not to give taxpayer-subsidized benefits to people who have broken our laws and are here in the United States illegally,” Ms. Bachmann said Monday night during a debate sponsored by CNN and Tea Party Express.

Defending his decision, Perry said the law sends “a message to young people that, regardless of what the sound of their last name is, that we believe in you. We are going to allow you to be a contributing members of the state of Texas and not be a drain on the system.”

Perry’s stance toward immigrants is similar to that of George W. Bush, another Texas governor and presidential aspirant who likewise was attacked for his moderate solutions to immigration reform, such as guest worker programs. Mr. Bush endured the attacks and won the presidency, but Perry, who polls show is the current front-runner, may face a more difficult time.

“What changed [since then] is [that] the base of the Republican Party is much more concerned about unauthorized immigration,” says Louis DeSipio, a political scientist at the University of California at Irvine. “Where Bush was able to distinguish himself as a new type of Republican, a ‘compassionate conservative,’ it’s not going to be so easy for Governor Perry this year.”

Perry finds himself in the unusual situation of sharing common ground with California Gov. Jerry Brown (D), who is poised to sign a bill that expands his state’s tuition law for illegal immigrant students by allowing them to apply for publicly funded financial aid. The California Assembly voted Friday to send the governor the bill, a companion to a bill Brown signed in July that allows illegal immigrant students access to privately funded college aid.


 
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Democrats Gleefully Agree with Rick Perry on Illegal Immigration

August 24, 2011, 10:52 pm By Arlen Williams 6 Comments
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“Four our of five dentists” may have been foolish enough to suggest we brush our teeth with fluoride toothpaste (and now I have an ache from a brittle, broken tooth or two, pardon the diversion) but it looks like Rick Perry’s position on illegal immigration is getting voluminous support from globalist progressive Democrats.

Video: “Rick Perry Agrees with Obama: Open Borders for America!“

Sure, this campaign season montage is a somewhat slanted, but the picture it paints is not far off as one discerns his overall behavior (even with his partially yielding to pressure from conservatives by bringing more law enforcement officials to the Texas border areas).

We write articles and blog entries here at Gulag Bound and we expect people to read them, darnit! (Ouch, my tooth.) See that “tag” down there? The one that says “Rick Perry?” Here, let me bring it up here, to make it easy for you.
http://gulagbound.com/tag/rick-perry/



See our entries thus far on tycoon-transnationalist bag man, Rick Perry. Here, start with this one: “The Phony Right-Wing, Part 5: James Richard ‘Rick’ Perry.” And has he lobbied the Texas legislature to increase immigration enforcement? Not enough for these expert observers in the state: “Texans Defend America, Petition Gov. Perry on Illegal Immigration.”

There is more to come and it isn’t pleasant either. Can you say “con-trolled op-pos-i-tion?” Go ahead, try it.

I knew you could.

That is the way it has begun to look. What? Did you expect them to find a candidate who doesn’t talk a good game?

When you’ve taken enough of it in, why don’t you ask your friends and the people in your neighborhood to have a read, too. That’s what those buttons down there help you with — even printing on old fashioned paper can do the trick.

(Now, where’s the carcinogenic, benzine based toothache goop, for my flouride tainted remnant of a molar?)

Oh, that’s not Rick Perry, it’s Robert Tilton….

Somehow they remind me of each other.

I’m sure they each have pretty, gleeming teeth.



Sorry about the length guys, there is so much more, just utilize the internet to learn, and don't follow what the media wants us to buy into.

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THIS...is what we desparately need instead of Obama-care!

"Perry signed ground-breaking “loser pays” tort reform and medical litigation rules that caused malpractice insurance rates to fall. Some 20,000 doctors have since moved to Texas ."


I agree on tort reform do not on Rick Perry.
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So, I'm not really into Rick Perry or anything, but really?

Here we have a guy that understands both sides of the aisle. Sees that both parties have good points, and bad points. At some point, he gets a little older, and a little less idealistic and instead of being a fiscal conservative and social democrat in blue, he becomes a fiscal conservative and social democrat in red and everyone calls foul because he wasn't a neo-con in the womb?

Man, I do not get your country.

Why is there such a push for the republican nominee to be righter than ****ing christ?
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Originally posted by Gridlock:

So, I'm not really into Rick Perry or anything, but really?

Here we have a guy that understands both sides of the aisle. Sees that both parties have good points, and bad points. At some point, he gets a little older, and a little less idealistic and instead of being a fiscal conservative and social democrat in blue, he becomes a fiscal conservative and social democrat in red and everyone calls foul because he wasn't a neo-con in the womb?

Man, I do not get your country.

Why is there such a push for the republican nominee to be righter than ****ing christ?


In a nutshell:
Because the Republicans were so desperate for votes back in the post Vietnam war-Watergate- civil rights era that they cozied up to Falwell's Moral Majority and other similar groups in a desperate push to get enough supporters to stay relevant as times and opinions were changing.
Is anyone old enough to remember Republicans like John Lindsay?
Or Charles Percy?
Once the Republican party strategists tasted the sweet candy of a guaranteed bloc of ultra conservative religious voters,some very smart guys, most recently exemplified by Newt Gingrich and Bush strategist Carl Rove, figured out how to pander to the fringe (AKA "base") and there is the beginning of the rapid swing to the right of the Republican party in modern times.
Moderate republicans who favored a reasonable version of fiscal conservatism and didn't toe the religious line were dubbed RINOS and left behind.
And now we have the Tea Partiers, who are for the most part even further to the right.
Will history repeat itself, will the usual self correction of American politics pull us back from the brink of disaster once again?
Or will we slip even farther and farther rightward just as a very famous European country did back in the '30?s?



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Originally posted by NEPTUNE:


In a nutshell:


Will history repeat itself, will the usual self correction of American politics pull us back from the brink of disaster once again?
Or will we slip even farther and farther rightward just as a very famous European country did back in the '30?s?


Then will we get to put on our purple shirts and beat innocent protesters like the leftist SEIU union thugs did?


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In a nutshell:

Will history repeat itself, will the usual self correction of American politics pull us back from the brink of disaster once again?




Come 2012 we will see won't we?
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Where have all the good candidates gone? Our country doesn't really have any good candidates on either side.
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Perry is Bush III.

I don't say that lightly.
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Where have all the good candidates gone? Our country doesn't really have any good candidates on either side.


Hehehe, from your point of view it's not theoretically possible to have a "good candidate" who isn't right, or far right, on the US political spectrum.

BTW, congratulations on a post that's not a copy and paste. You'll be sore in the morning, be sure to do some stretching exercises...

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Hehehe, from your point of view it's not theoretically possible to have a "good candidate" who isn't right, or far right, on the US political spectrum.


The only "right" candidate I am looking for is one that is right for our country. I don't care what party he comes from as long as he can get our nation headed in the right direction again, not one that is intent on making us a third world nation.
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Originally posted by avengador1:


The only "right" candidate I am looking for is one that is right for our country. I don't care what party he comes from as long as he can get our nation headed in the right direction again, not one that is intent on making us a third world nation.


BLASPHEMER!!

That sort of attitude won't get you very far around here, Pilgrim!
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I agree on tort reform do not on Rick Perry.


I agree. I don't have a favorite candidate at this point but I will support Newt because he truly is the smartest guy up there right now.
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Originally posted by ryan.hess:

Perry is Bush III.

I don't say that lightly.


maybe if you condensed Bush down into a thick sauce and strapped SAMS to his back you would kind of get what perry is.
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I agree. I don't have a favorite candidate at this point but I will support Newt because he truly is the smartest guy up there right now.


Support....or vote for?

If it's the latter, you may as well write in a vote for Reagan's corpse. The only way Newt will get in the White House is on a visitor's pass.
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Originally posted by avengador1:

Where have all the good candidates gone? Our country doesn't really have any good candidates on either side.


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From what I read today, Perry makes Clinton's White Water look like no big deal. Heres' the link.


http://www.huffingtonpost.c...dl1|sec3_lnk3|100639

Yeh, I know if Huff-Post; it comes up on my AOL account.

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Originally posted by avengador1:

Where have all the good candidates gone? Our country doesn't really have any good candidates on either side.


With the millions of Baby Boomers, we have Bush and Clinton for the history books. Goody goody!
Really nothing to do with the generation, only shows the type of folks who run.

Look at all of the politicians in your time and most are slime balls, regardless of the period.
The ones running now as bad as they are, are as good or better than the unfit to handle the job guy they want to replace.
Sad really, but reality it is.
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Originally posted by carnut122:

From what I read today, Perry makes Clinton's White Water look like no big deal. Heres' the link.


http://www.huffingtonpost.c...dl1|sec3_lnk3|100639

Yeh, I know if Huff-Post; it comes up on my AOL account.



Maybe he was just lucky, like Hillary.

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Rick Perry to Call for a Flat Tax
http://www.newsmax.com/Insi...al&promo_code=D4C4-1
 
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Working to distinguish himself from rival Mitt Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry said Wednesday that he wants to scrap America's current tax laws and impose a flat tax.

Perry told the Western Republican Leadership Conference he plans to explain the tax proposal when he unveils his broad economic plan in a speech next week.

He called the plan "an economic growth package that will create jobs, create growth and create investor confidence in America again."

"It starts with scrapping the three million words of the current tax code, and starting over with something much simpler: a flat tax," Perry said.

"I want to make the tax code so simple that even Timothy Geithner can file his taxes on time," he joked, referring to the Treasury Secretary and his late payment of $34,000 in payroll taxes last decade.

Perry's proposal is dramatically different from Romney's tax plan. Romney would lower the corporate tax rate and lower taxes on savings and investment income. He says his long term goal is to "pursue a flatter, fairer, simpler structure."

A flat tax applies the same tax rate to income at every level. The current tax code is progressive, taxing higher incomes at higher rates and lower incomes at lower rates.

Critics across the political spectrum complain that the current tax code is too complex and riddled with loopholes that allow specific groups to pay less. Many conservatives argue a flat tax would be simpler and fairer because everyone would be taxed at the same rate. Liberals and many moderates say a flat tax would make the tax system more regressive, giving big tax breaks to the wealthy while making low- and middle-income families pay more.

Perry didn't provide any more details for his flat tax proposal. In his book, "Fed Up!" he suggests the flat tax as a possible policy prescription but doesn't elaborate.

"One option would be to totally scrap the current tax code in favor of a flat tax, and thereby make taxation much simpler, easier to follow and harder to manipulate," Perry writes in his book. "Another option would be to repeal the Sixteenth Amendment to the Constitution (which authorizes the taxation of income) altogether, and then pursue an alternative model of taxation such as a national sales tax or the Fair Tax."



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Perry Criticized for Taking Texas Salary, Pension
http://www.newsmax.com/Insi...al&promo_code=DCA6-1
It's seems there is a loop hole, he is taking advantage of, that lets him collect a salary and pension at the same time.
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Rick Perry sues Virginia to get on primary ballot
http://firstread.msnbc.msn....et-on-primary-ballot
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