Officer allegedly planted marijuana Prosecutors also said that one of the police officers planted three bags of marijuana in Johnston's home as part of a cover-up after no drugs were found. The suit accuses officers who raided the home of violating Johnston's constitutional protections against unreasonable searches and seizures and the use of unreasonable and excessive deadly force. It cites witness tampering in its racketeering accusation.
Im a former M. P.and law enforcement officer Many police officers develope an attitude because so many people lie to you! you often deal with the worse segment of society.. I have also been an outlaw biker and had cops beat the crap out of me while i was hog tied, a small lady cop did the beating,hardly hurt. I have seen both sides the police have a hard difficult job to do.. the people who admire them turn on a dime if they recieve a ticket,, I had to deal with the worst of the worse at one time,, there were times when i was in a position with out witnesses I wish we could have shot these dirt bags and buried them. but I did as I was suppose to ! I was stopped riding my harley one day ,I was 45 years old,long hair ,long beard comming from a sort of military reunnion and a zit faced cop stop me to do a profile form check,( this is where they fill out a form,who you are, who you ride with ,where are you going) I was wearing my military decorations,(3 rows)with marine corp emblems on my jacket and he kept calling me boy?? this t,d me off much more than the cops who beat me, the police are in a no win situation but have my admiration(except the fascist who stop me) ha ha I support limited police brutality, especially of young males. get there head right
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TROTWOOD, Ohio -- The FBI is investigating after a Trotwood police officer used a Taser on a pregnant woman. Trotwood Public Safety Director Michael Etter said the incident happened on Nov. 18. He said the woman arrived at the police department asking to give up custody of her 1-year-old son. Etter said his officer spoke with the woman as she held on to the child outside the police department. "(He) attempted to obtain information on both the mother and the child, at which time the mother refused to give any information and became very agitated," Etter said. Surveillance video from the police department shows the woman try to leave with the child. The officer then grabs her coat in an effort to get her to stop. Etter said the officer was doing what he thought was in the best interest of the 1-year-old boy. The video shows the woman struggle with the officer, who then takes the child from her and gives the boy to another officer. The first officer then forces the woman down on her stomach, and he then deploys a Taser on her neck. Etter said the officer did not know the woman was pregnant. "She did not disclose, even after she was arrested, that she was pregnant," Etter said. He said the woman was wearing a large winter coat and had her child on her lap when she was talking to the officer. Etter said the department is cooperating with the FBI investigation, and there is also an ongoing internal investigation to see if the use of force was warranted for the situation. Etter said the officer involved is still on duty.
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MILWAUKEE — Two former police officers were sentenced Thursday for the beating of a biracial man in a case that outraged the city and sent protesters into the streets.
A judge sentenced Jon Bartlett, 36, to 17 years and four months in federal prison. The sentence also includes three years supervision and payment of $16,365 in restitution.
Daniel Masarik, 27, was sentenced to 15 years and eight months in prison.
Bartlett and Masarik were convicted with another former officer for taking part in the beating of Frank Jude Jr. outside a housewarming party in October 2004.
The third former officer, Andrew Spengler, 28, was scheduled to be sentenced later Thursday.
Bartlett was the ringleader in the attack, Jude wrote in a statement submitted to the court Thursday. Jude feared for his life and had hoped U.S. District Judge Charles Clevert would give Bartlett the maximum 20-year sentence, he wrote.
"You and your fellow police officer friends attempted to kill me and take my life," he wrote. "Mr. Bartlett, you are a disgrace, a disgrace to all police officers, and every public official in the world."
Bartlett apologized to Jude in court Thursday, but he stood by his claim that he had to deal with unruly suspect.
A federal jury determined in July that the three violated Jude's civil rights and conspired to assault him while acting as officers. Officer Ryan Packard was acquitted of federal charges.
The trial is the second round in a case that has haunted Milwaukee. The three men were acquitted of most state charges by an all-white jury in April 2006, angering the community. Federal authorities filed the civil rights charges six months later.
In the days after the state trial, black and white residents, including the mayor, expressed their outrage at community meetings. Up to 2,000 people marched from the Milwaukee County courthouse to the federal courthouse.
Jude, 29, said he had been at a party on Oct. 24, 2004, when a group of white men who identified themselves as off-duty officers kicked and punched him, put a knife to his throat and jammed a pen in his ears as he begged for mercy. Jude said he heard Spengler call him a racial slur.
"They came close to killing Mr. Jude," said his attorney, Jonathan Safran. "They caused him serious permanent physical injuries and mental injuries he and his family will have to deal with the rest of their lives."
Jude said the confrontation began as he and a friend were leaving the party, when a group of men surrounded their truck and dragged him out, accusing him of taking Spengler's badge. No badge was ever found.
The community has cried injustice since the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel published a front-page photo in February 2005 showing Jude's swollen, misshapen face just after the beating.
The police department disciplined 13 officers after the beating, including nine who were fired. Two of the fired officers won back their jobs, including Packard after a 20-day suspension.
Four others have pleaded guilty to similar federal charges. One has been sentenced to two years in prison and another a year in prison along with a year of probation, a fine of $3,000 and 100 hours of community service.
Two others are scheduled for sentencing Dec. 6.
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I bet I can come up with more "bad citizen" stories than bad cop stories.....
Bad citizens aren't issued guns and the authority to detain or kill you. I would hope the police - those who protect society - would be held to a slightly higher standard than your typical thug.
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Niagara Falls City Court Judge Robert Restaino "snapped" and "engaged in what can only be described as two hours of inexplicable madness" during the March 2005 session, Raoul Felder, chairman of the state Commission on Judicial Conduct, wrote in the decision to remove Restaino from the $113,900-per-year post. A phone rang while Restaino was hearing the cases of domestic violence offenders who had been ordered to appear weekly to update the judge on the progress of their counseling. A sign in the courthouse warns that cell phones and pagers must be turned off. "Everyone is going to jail," Restaino said. "Every single person is going to jail in this courtroom unless I get that instrument now. If anybody believes I'm kidding, ask some of the folks that have been here for a while. You are all going." When no one came forward, Restaino ordered the group into custody, and they were taken to jail, where they were searched and packed into crowded cells. Fourteen people who could not post bail were shackled and bused to another jail. Restaino ordered them released later that afternoon. Restaino told the state panel he had been under stress in his personal life. His attorney, Terrence Connors, said Restaino would appeal.
My favorite police story happen while i was in houston texas,many years ago the police stopped 2 men who were day laborers in a parking lot by the time the stop ended ,they had drown these inocent men in a water filled pot hole by holding thier boots on thier necks,3 or 4 officers watched, including the shift commander.. now this is effective law enforcement.I thought florida cops from the 60s and earlier were tough,, the guard in cool hand luke was the sherriff in lake county florida were I lived ..An extremely violent man who kept order!! the police have a difficult job to do,, some police officers lose thier cool they are human.it is a difficult job .I was a law enforcement officer after I got out of the Marines,,it is a tough job what I hated was people continually lied to me,Show nothing but respect when talking to any officer,if stopped for a traffic violation.. YES sir ,NO sir, I should have been watching the speedo closer sir,if you hate him do not show it.. contemp is good motivation to write a ticket,, once he starts writting the ticket is yours for certain,, your flabbing mouth is good for additional financial loss,, you could have spend on your fiero..Having the license registration, insurance and a smiling face and a kiss his buttock attitute will save you much grieve.Policemen deal with many evil clowns,don,t be one !! you are an evil law breaking vermin and do not forget it(you will).. save the scowls, underbreath comments, and the "why are't you arresting real criminals" I rode motorcycles most of my life, once I ran my mouth I found myself on the ground hog tied and a small attractive police officer practicing her baton swinging drill on me.be polite do not try to recieve the beating you deserve,or the fun trip to the jail where you might meet a new friend with low morales,I have spent a lot of time in jail in my well spent life. it is not the vacation hot spot portrayed by some with free medical care,T V and amiable carefree companions.Jail is full of people who are so fond of bad luck, they run to meet it..finding a fight is easy
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I know I am probably on my own here, but I still don't understand why us civilians who pay these thugs salaries have to "kiss ass" when dealing with the police. If I do something stupid and get caught speeding, I'll be the first the admit my wrong doing, but I don't see why a person should have to lower themselves to become asskissers when dealing with law enforcement. Maybe thats why I have had such bad experiences with the police; I don't give them any special treatment, and treat them in the same way I treat others. If they show me respect, I will show it back it to them. Still, it is sometimes very hard to do this as often I feel that the person pulling me over is no better than the gang banging thug they are choosing to ignore while they are pulling me over for some BS infraction like snow obstructing my license plate. The only thing that keeps me content is knowing that the almighty karma will bite these individuals in the ass sometime in their lives. Some day, they might need the help of the same civilians who they routinely mentally and physically abuse; these same individuals who they have chosen to ignore when in need because it would require too much effort; the same people that have to be fearful of an encounter with one of them while out at night. As much as I would like to see the people turn their backs on these police officers if such a situation arose, I don't think the general population could, as unlike the police, we have a general concern for the safety of others, and would rather help people in need rather than arrive at a situation thinking "hey, how can I turn quick buck from this individuals plight" or "what can I do to possibly make this persons day any worse", or the ever increasingly popular "who can I beat the **** out of because I'm having a bad day."
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Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
wow - you must have some real dicks as cops, eh? why not move somewhere that doesnt have cops. would you feel better then?
I fully understand not wanting to be in the path of a cop, who is having a personal crisis.
Yes - we do have some real rotten apples here. Just last week we had one off duty officer get ticked off another driver for what he said was reckless driving, and then proceed to bash the young kids face against the windshield of his car, smashing the kids face up, and knocking out several of his teeth. The officer then got back in his car, and drove away from the scene. He ended up being cleared of charges by the department, because he said that he cut his forehead up on the young kids teeth with his initial headbut, and became infuriated when the blood from his head injury poured into his eyes. The department agreed that since the officer suffered injury while headbutting the kid, that his further acts of smashing the kids face in were justified because he was acting in self defense. We have also had several natives who have gone missing, only to show up dead weeks later dropped off on the outskirt of town. The polcie call this the midnight run, and this is their way of dealing with drunks they find walking around town late at night. They say that if the person can find their way back to town, then they should be sobered up by the time they make it back. Problem is, it reaches near -40 here in winter, and many of these people they drop off in the middle of nowhere, are wearing no more than sneakers and a light coat. This is just a couple of incidents - do a search for amnesty international or UN watch list and you will find our cities police department has been singled out for numerous human rights violations. It is no wonder our police are called the "KKK with badges" by the media.
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I've been pulled over many times and have yet to find a bad cop. All are always nice.
The truth is there are good cops and bad cops. What the ratio is who knows, it certainly can't be measured by news articles because they only report negative. All the bad news stories in the world are not proof that all are bad, they just prove that there are some scum who don't deserve badges.
In other news, I'm glad to hear that the pig who tried to ticket the Firetruck driver back in 2003 has been fined 18,000 by the courts. The officer tried to ticket a firetruck driver for blocking a traffic lane while he was giving medical attention to an injured motorist. Even though the states statute says this is legal, the officer said that it should ultimately be up to police to decide whether or not a person should be ticketed, and not the state. Apparently the court disagreed. Nice try, pig.
Cop chasing motor cyclist ends in a seven car pile up and 2 people killed and the cop who didn't follow Maryland's strict cop car chases in now facing 20 yrs. The two innocent victims were on their way from a concert. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/...high.speed.chase.cnn
On the way home tonight I saw the under covers out busting the "working girls". I guess they are upset some people are getting some, while they have to work tonight LOL.
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A former police officer who tearfully told jurors he accidentally killed his pregnant lover was convicted Friday of murdering her and their unborn child.
Bobby Cutts Jr. could face the death penalty. He had claimed he accidentally killed Jessie Davis by putting an elbow to her throat, then panicked.
Jurors reached their decision on their fourth day of deliberations. Cutts sat with his hands on his lap and held his head erect without emotion as the verdicts were read.
Prosecutors told the jury that Cutts killed Davis, 26, last June at her Lake Township home to get out of child support payments for a fourth child.
The couple's 2½-year-old son, Blake, who was found home alone, gave investigators their first clues to his mother's disappearance when he said, "Mommy's crying. Mommy broke the table. Mommy's in the rug," and, later, "Daddy's mad."
For more than a week, Cutts, then an officer on the Canton police force, denied knowledge of her whereabouts as thousands searched in the area. He finally led authorities to the body, wrapped in a comforter and dumped in a park about 20 miles from her home.
Cutts was convicted of aggravated murder in the death of the nearly full-term female fetus, which carries the possible death penalty. The jury found him not guilty of aggravated murder in Davis' death, a count that includes intent to kill with prior calculation. But they convicted him of a lesser charge of murder in her death.
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The Baltimore Police Department suspended a police officer after a video surfaced on the Internet showing the officer berating two kids for skateboarding, putting one of them in a headlock and pushing the boy on the concrete.
The video shows Officer Salvatore Rivieri approach the kids at the Inner Harbor of Baltimore, the area where they apparently were skateboarding. The kids tell Rivieri they didn't know they couldn't skateboard there.
"You back-talk me, I'm not your father," Rivieri says. "You hear me? I'm not your father. You give that attitude to your father. You give it to me, I'll smack you upside the head. Shut your mouth, I'm talking."
The Baltimore Police Department suspended a police officer after a video surfaced on the Internet showing the officer berating two kids for skateboarding, putting one of them in a headlock and pushing the boy on the concrete.
The video shows Officer Salvatore Rivieri approach the kids at the Inner Harbor of Baltimore, the area where they apparently were skateboarding. The kids tell Rivieri they didn't know they couldn't skateboard there.
"You back-talk me, I'm not your father," Rivieri says. "You hear me? I'm not your father. You give that attitude to your father. You give it to me, I'll smack you upside the head. Shut your mouth, I'm talking."
The Baltimore Police Department suspended a police officer after a video surfaced on the Internet showing the officer berating two kids for skateboarding, putting one of them in a headlock and pushing the boy on the concrete.
The video shows Officer Salvatore Rivieri approach the kids at the Inner Harbor of Baltimore, the area where they apparently were skateboarding. The kids tell Rivieri they didn't know they couldn't skateboard there.
"You back-talk me, I'm not your father," Rivieri says. "You hear me? I'm not your father. You give that attitude to your father. You give it to me, I'll smack you upside the head. Shut your mouth, I'm talking."
I hate seeing things like this, and not being able to do anything about it lol
same, saw that awhile back..
oh, and about being nice to them and giving them respect, it doesnt always work, every time I havent done anything and I tell the truth they dont believe a word I say, and that is being totally polite and respecting them, I have either gotten charged with some stupid thing or got a ticket, or they stop me and give me a warning just because they wanted to. I do agree there are some that are good, and bad, not all are good or bad, thats just about it. and I would rather live somewhere without police sometimes... or just less of them. that is what is nice about a smaller town... except the one I just moved from, the cops all would follow me around (drove a camaro..) and I know many people who they harassed and gave made up tickets to..
also got stopped the first time I went out for a cruise in this town, but I was going 7 over (downhill) and he just stopped me and talked to me about my car, gave me a warning and welcomed me to town. much better than what I've seen elsewhere...
Snip-it: A diabetic bodybuilder who scuffled with police outside a Redwood City movie theater while slipping into insulin shock in April has filed a $5 million claim against the city alleging his civil rights were violated.
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Apparently, the Bay Areas is going to need revenue to fight the lawsuit, so they let the dogs loose last night and tried to catch me, “ridn’ dirty.”
The time: 00:30. Location: 92 headed west toward hwy 1. Car: 99 Eclipses.
No tickets, no warrants, no vehicle violations, and driving within the law. A CHP decided to catch me, “ridn’ dirty” or like I said, “seek city revenue and shadowed me for 1 ½ miles. I’m driving between 50-53 mph and the speed limit is 55. He creeps up behind another vehical and then behind and I’m aware it’s an CHIP.
Like always they’re running my plates for no other reason but fishing so I move over to the next lane to allow them to pass and they follow and just at the man-made lake @ 92 and 280 over pass they hit the lights and I pull over.
I’m blasting JB and wait for them to approach and the officer on my passenger side knocks on the window with JB blasting, “What it is” and he then ask that I turn the music down, so I do.
Officer> We pulled you over cause we saw you weaving over the line. Me> No response. Officer> Where did you come from? Me> work. Officer> Where you headed? Me> I refuse to answer the question. Officer> Have you had anything to drink? Me>I just got off from work. Officer>Have you had anything to drink? Me> I just got off from work. Officer> I’m asking you, have you had anything to drink? Me> I just got off from work. Officer> I’m asking you, have you had anything to drink? Me> I turn and look at officer, “I just got off from work.” Officer> leans head near the door and sniffs. Officer> License, registration, and insurance. Me> I take my time since I have several registrations (6 total) Officer> Can you turn you music off and just give me anyone of your registrations and it will do. Me> I turn the music off and hand the officer the items he requested.
10-20 minutes later they come back to the car and give me my items back and tell me, “You can leave.” I continue to stay while I place all of my items back into my wallet. 5-minutes later the officer asks his partner, “did you tell him he could leave?” In the meantime while still parked, they pull over another car.
I take off w/o spinning the tires and they allow me to get maybe 2-3 miles ahead of them. They’re reason for this is too catch me speeding since hwy 92 speed ranges from 45, 35, to 25 in the turns. Keep in mind, “nobody goes 25 mph around a turn” but since they’re tailing me, I do.
Finally, at a snail pace, we arrive in town with the CHIPS still on my tail and after another mile in town they finally give up and speed pass me right before I turn on my block.
Conclusion: The CHP (CHIPS) were fishing and performing illegal pull over to catch people and then perform illegal searches on those who don’t know they’re rights. The next time someone tells you, “officer are just doing they’re job-that’s BS people!
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Posts: 228 From: Bunker Hill, Illinois Registered: Oct 2007
I'm an ex-cop myself. I'd have to say that the ratio of good/bad is no different than any other occupation. There are good cops and bad cops. Good people / bad people...... I was a 'good' one....of course!
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I'm an ex-cop myself. I'd have to say that the ratio of good/bad is no different than any other occupation. There are good cops and bad cops. Good people / bad people...... I was a 'good' one....of course!
This is true, but "officers are sworn to up hold the law" and even with the high % being good....a bad cop can cause you to either have a very bad day or worse, you can loose your life- thus law suits and everybody looses.
Using tactics to entrap people is straight out wrong and can lead to conflics with motorist especially since you've just stated, "They're good/bad people in all occupations." % there are more bad people than bad cops so if I decided to "flee" and thus running into a good person on the road, whose the blame? The jackass who decided to "flee" or the bad cop who used illegal tactics that cause the motorist to flee in the first place?
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Posts: 1165 From: Jacksonville, IL, USA Registered: May 2003
I'm an ex-cop myself. I'd have to say that the ratio of good/bad is no different than any other occupation. There are good cops and bad cops. Good people / bad people...... I was a 'good' one....of course!
Completely agree. The best person I know is a retired cop. The worst one I know is also a cop. What makes bad cops worse than bad people is their level of authority. A gun and a badge.
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by madcurl: Officer> Have you had anything to drink? Me>I just got off from work. Officer>Have you had anything to drink? Me> I just got off from work. Officer> I’m asking you, have you had anything to drink? Me> I just got off from work. Officer> I’m asking you, have you had anything to drink? Me> I turn and look at officer, “I just got off from work.” Officer> leans head near the door and sniffs. Officer> License, registration, and insurance.
One question, though. Why not just say, "No." ? I'm not defending the stop but your answers didn't address the question. To the cop it would appear you're trying to side step the issue. Yes, common sense says if you just got off work you weren't drinking, but we all know some people do drink on the job.
I fully agree with not volunteering any info and recognize it was a fishing stop, though.
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Posts: 1165 From: Jacksonville, IL, USA Registered: May 2003
I always find that question interesting. "Have you had anything to drink?" Uh..sure, Do I look dehydrated or something?! or Yes but it's Ok I'm over 21. or No! Whatyagot? or Sorry it's all gone. or Why is there a fat chick in the back seat!? or No do you have a reason for detaining me or are you fishing? The only thing that makes madder than being stopped at random is a "safety" road block. Reminds me of the movies we used to watch in grade school about why living in American was better than living in the Soviet Union!
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One question, though. Why not just say, "No." ? I'm not defending the stop but your answers didn't address the question. To the cop it would appear you're trying to side step the issue. Yes, common sense says if you just got off work you weren't drinking, but we all know some people do drink on the job.
I fully agree with not volunteering any info and recognize it was a fishing stop, though.
Depends upon the stop and conditions in which the officers pulled me over. If it was a sobriety stop, then it would be a legit "question" to be asked "all" during a stop. In my case, it was 100% fishing and border-line profiling. Once the officer approached the car fabricating a "lie" all agreements are off and everything is then are considered "hostile." Thus the questions the officer asked are actually, "opened-ended" and allows for further questionings (fishing) and as I stated, the officer continued to ask fishing questions, ("where are you headed). Using the sentence, "I just got off from work," the time 00:20HR, in uniform, witness at work whom could testify my condition 15-minutes earlier, and documents to produce my prior where a bouts, and the direction I was using could be produced if needed.
1. They shadowed me thus running my plates. Illegal since no known violations were seen during the shadowing. 2. Running the plates the officer then applies "profiling" due to my nationality and/or possible illegal modifications due to the "stereo type import." 3. Approach vehicle with factious reasons to aid in getting suspect to render his "rights" by allowing officer to check vehicle or possible DUI.
Questions 1, 2, & 3 are the "unknowns" and only after the officer states his/her reason for pulling you'll know they're intent, "friendly or hostels." In this case, the officers where "hostels" by producing factious reasons for pulling me over thus 1, 2, & 3 equals BAD COPS. On the other hand, if the officer was a "friendlys" the approached would have been solidly based upon vehicle violations or local laws e.g. @ brake lamp ECT.
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I also think their image would be a little better if cops were seen helping people change tires by the side of the road occasionally. In the half million miles I've driven in my time I don't think I've ever seen that. Believe it or not, some of us respond better to positive reinforcement than negative.
Wave a box of donuts at them and they happily pull over to help. You need to give them motivation.
Ok that was a cheap shot on cops I have a really good friend that is a cop and SHE says that most of her co-officers are jerks that should not have a badge. She said that because the pay for police is so low compared to the risks of the job, they have to accept lots of the lower quality officers.
I've changed flat tires for some people over the years. Mostly old people or women who didn't know how or if they were in a bad place. I even showed a young guy how to do it when he started putting the spare on backwards. But I'm not the AAA and it's not my job to do road service and repair broke down vehicles. In these times police would probably get sued for changing a tire if something else happened later. You'd be surprised how many people leave home without a spare. In this day and age some people just don't think they can become a victim of bad weather or an unforseen circumstance. Some don't even take a coat in the car in the winter. They just scurry from one warm habitat to another. Yes the police are there to serve but they don't work for you. The police are a law enforcement agency. No one likes to get a ticket and it costs you money. Thats all part of the job they have to do. Yes they did take an oath and the bad ones should be weeded out. I have no sympathy for corrupt police. They give the rest of us a bad reputation. I never had to frame someone or pick someone at random. There is never a shortage of violators driving out there. Speeders are criminals. They are just summary offenders. No one wants to accept responsibility for their actions anymore. It's not the cops fault you got a ticket for breaking the law.
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Posts: 228 From: Bunker Hill, Illinois Registered: Oct 2007
Completely agree. The best person I know is a retired cop. The worst one I know is also a cop. What makes bad cops worse than bad people is their level of authority. A gun and a badge.
Hey Jack! You're in Jacksonville eh? I'm just South of you near Bunker Hill. We'll have to hit some car cruises this summer. You guys have the best one around right there in Jacksonville! (Sorry for hijacking the thread )
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Depends upon the stop and conditions in which the officers pulled me over. If it was a sobriety stop, then it would be a legit "question" to be asked "all" during a stop. In my case, it was 100% fishing and border-line profiling. Once the officer approached the car fabricating a "lie" all agreements are off and everything is then are considered "hostile." Thus the questions the officer asked are actually, "opened-ended" and allows for further questionings (fishing) and as I stated, the officer continued to ask fishing questions, ("where are you headed). Using the sentence, "I just got off from work," the time 00:20HR, in uniform, witness at work whom could testify my condition 15-minutes earlier, and documents to produce my prior where a bouts, and the direction I was using could be produced if needed.
1. They shadowed me thus running my plates. Illegal since no known violations were seen during the shadowing. 2. Running the plates the officer then applies "profiling" due to my nationality and/or possible illegal modifications due to the "stereo type import." 3. Approach vehicle with factious reasons to aid in getting suspect to render his "rights" by allowing officer to check vehicle or possible DUI.
Questions 1, 2, & 3 are the "unknowns" and only after the officer states his/her reason for pulling you'll know they're intent, "friendly or hostels." In this case, the officers where "hostels" by producing factious reasons for pulling me over thus 1, 2, & 3 equals BAD COPS. On the other hand, if the officer was a "friendlys" the approached would have been solidly based upon vehicle violations or local laws e.g. @ brake lamp ECT.
I agree completely. I was just looking at it from the viewpoint of trying to keep the situation from escalating, hostile or not. When I'm stopped by a police officer, my first concern is surviving the encounter. I will do whatever possible to protect my rights, but I'll try to do so without escalating the situation. Not always possible, though.
I'm glad your stop ended as well as it did. The fishing expeditions seem to be where things can go wrong and get ugly in a hurry.
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Mar 4th, 2008
madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
I agree completely. I was just looking at it from the viewpoint of trying to keep the situation from escalating, hostile or not. When I'm stopped by a police officer, my first concern is surviving the encounter. I will do whatever possible to protect my rights, but I'll try to do so without escalating the situation. Not always possible, though.
I'm glad your stop ended as well as it did. The fishing expeditions seem to be where things can go wrong and get ugly in a hurry.
If I was out-of-state the answer would be YES. That is one of the reason officers target motorist with out of state car which increases their chances of the person not coming back and fighting it. In my case, I was 6 miles from home and wasn't willing to let corrupt officers terrorise me without the situation escalating into a possible jail time and a court hearing and based upon my own personal experiences (since 1999 they have performed this devient tractic on me several times) and I've witnessed this practice performed on unsuspecting motorist. These devient practices offen leading to;
Motorist DUI check either by the visuals (ABCs counting backward, hand-nose test, walking the line) or hauled down to nearest hospital to perform a blood test and I would be willing to take the blood test for evidence against the corrupt officers. A great cast of real friends who are top lawyers in their field; I'd have no issues seeking their assistance. My history of no DUIs in my entire lifetime, my hatred for drinking and driving added by the fact that I'm not a drinker isn't going to go too well for the corrupt officer actions which maybe why the officer gave back my items and said, "Your free to go" w/o any explanation of thier actions (no warning, no nothing).
Step Two: Get him down the road.
Let the motorist leave and catch his smart jackass down the road, cause the hwy has various speeds. This is why the officer wanted additional information to determine if they can continue to use devient practices. During my brief encounter, the officer wanted to know my heading, where I came from and since I have three locations of property my license doesn't document my second address. Therefore it was their calculated guess I wouldn't be aware of the conditions ahead since the license didn't reflext the area which is why they continued to followed me even though they said I was free to go. Besides, there are only a handful of blacks living in the area (less than 25 is my guess) so they could have suspected I didn't live in the area.
In my lifetime (47 yrs) I've been terrorised by being pulled over many times and for no other reason than, illegal devient revenue practices or simple DWB.
I was out the other day giving a friend a ride to work. I saw the police car come up behind me and I wasn't doing anything wrong so I wasn't concerned. I made sure to keep at the speed limit, use the blinkers etc, and right before I turned onto the NJ Turnpike he hit the lights to pull me over. I asked what I was pulled over for an he told me he would let me know in a moment. Ran my license and found out I had a warrant for failure to appear for a court date I missed, so I got arrested, my car towed, and friend was left to call a taxi.
Keep in mind this police car was never infront of me, or on the side of me, he had simply turned on to the same road as me and was going faster then me so that is how he ended up behind me. There was only 1 lane.
I was told the reason I was pulled over was for the crack in the windshield. I haven't had the extra $ to have this fixed yet, and it's not bad enough to actually be a problem. He must have had really good vision to see that crack from behind me, through the rear window and with 2 people in the car.
While in jail for a few hours, I was able to listen to several people talking/yelling at the other guy who was arrested and in the next cell. I am guess he was drinking or high maybe, but I honestly have no idea. He was also spanish, and seemed to only speak a little bit of english. He asked to go the hospital because an injury on his leg was bothering him because of the cold air in the cell. He was actually called vulgar names and told that he was lying and that there was no air conditioning on. I was cold and I thought it was on too. Eventually they told him that the ambulance was going to cost him $1,000. He said he couldn't pay that, and would make do with a blanket to keep his leg warm. He was told he couldn't have one, and after a while they changed their minds and said he had to go to the hospital and would be billed for the ambulance fee. He was also warned that if he was ever caught in that town again he would be given a real reason to go to the hospital.
Court was at 6pm and I was let go ROR, but there was nobody to come get me and I was broke too, so I had 9 mile walk home wearing sandals.
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Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
welcome to the "any excuse" list. "innocent until proven guilty" DOES NOT EXIST in traffic law. which is why traffic stops are the #1 way warrants are filled. once you hit that public "right of way", you are open to be detained and searched at the whim & leisure of enforcement officers. from single pick 'em out of ttraffic, to full scale road blocks.
but, fortunately - cops are in fact on "the good guys" side. for the most part. at this point, I am happy to give them that authority to do what they can. I love the fact that my home town cops are VERY vigerous on pursueing people who "look" like troublemakers. if you look like a thug - our cops will treat you like a thug. dont want to be treated like a thug - dont wear the uniform of a thug. go play "badass" somewhere else.
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
I was told the reason I was pulled over was for the crack in the windshield.
That reason was used to make it "stick" just incase you file a complaint against them or appear in front of a TV camera. I'd bet you didn't receive a fix-it-ticket for the defective windshield did you? However, since the officer ran your plates and drivers license and found issues
I have a really good friend that is a cop and SHE says that most of her co-officers are jerks that should not have a badge. She said that because the pay for police is so low compared to the risks of the job, they have to accept lots of the lower quality officers. 
