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Economy watch by fierobear
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U.S. credit rating outlook lowered by S&P



This, should surprise no one, but I suspect, Geithner, Bernake, and White House Chief of Staff are working feverishly behind the scenes to talk the bond rating houses into NOT lowering the US bond rating below Trple A+, tho some bond raters overseas have already done so. It's gonna happen regardless , but you can bet they are horridied at the prospect it could happen before or in the midst of the 2012 election cycle. People are in abject denial regarding our huge debt and have no clue how much of a drag it is on govt, the economy and the global outlook. China and Germany cannot keep propping up soveriegn debt--they don't have the pockets deep enough. The only reason I can see for so many (Paul Krugman for example) to keep hawking a false positive outlook, is that many simply choose to compare it with those who are in so much worse shape, which is simplly deflecting the issue. Kinda like Jim Bob saying "Hey, I'm in debt up to my neck, but my next-door-neighbor Bill, is in debt up to his eyeballs, so I'm still doing great!".

The feces gets deep under the tree when the shitbirds come home to roost tho, and no amount of tax increases will cure this one--none. Tax the super rich, the rich, the middle, the poor, big & little business--won't make a dent in it. People on the govt dole better get ready for some tuff times.

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People on the govt dole better get ready for some tuff times.

Welcome to the real world, .
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Can we file this under "oh, s***"?

STANDARD & POOR’S DOWNGRADES U.S. CREDIT RATING FOR FIRST TIME IN HISTORY


YES WE CAN!
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Hey! Don't knock it! Having a AA rating isn't all that bad. Yeah right! Obvious sarcasm. What other lows does our government have in store for us?
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Timeline of financial and housing crisis.
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Timeline of financial and housing crisis.


This is the same fool who said just 7 weeks prior to freddie and fannie collapsing that they were fine and to go invest more into them.

How did this slob get elected again? How deluded are the people of Mass to think this idiot has any business in Congress, let alone in charge of their money?
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Rep. Paul Ryan Grills Bernanke on Unemployment

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000071017
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Don't believe the hype -- the U.S economy is not recovering, it's getting sicker.

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Hmmm...seems like "unfriendly to business" and "liberal state" seem to go together...

These Are the ‘Least’ & ‘Most’ Business-Friendly States in the U.S.
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I can only speak for the Miami area and for the personal training business but our business is up big time at the moment. Partially due to marketing activities and then some...
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I can only speak for the Miami area and for the personal training business but our business is up big time at the moment. Partially due to marketing activities and then some...


The company I work for is growing like mad. And so is my workload (which grows my paychecks, since we're on a system with piecework pay). Both seem to be anomalies.

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Watch out for what happens in Greece. It could spread:

How shock waves will hit US if Greece drops euro
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How shock waves will hit US if Greece drops euro
The bankers planning for a Greek exit from the euro say they think European leaders will get scared into action. The Federal Reserve and other central banks learned from the financial crisis in 2008, they believe, and will jump in to stop the nightmare scenario from unfolding.

The Federal Reserved learned ... ? Learned what ? That stuffing a bra makes for a better looking woman ?

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The Federal Reserved learned ... ? Learned what ? That stuffing a bra makes for a better looking woman ?


Yup. Just like Obama and Paul Krugman believe that stimulus works, and if it doesn't then the stimulus just wasn't big enough. If our government continues to borrow, and (with a lack of real buyers) the Fed keeps printing money to buy the bonds, then WE will face the same problem as Greece - inflation.

What I *do* think could happen is that Europe goes through a serious financial crisis, and the U.S. Dollar will temporarily see a spike as investors rush to find any safe haven for their money. But if we don't stop spending, it will just delay the inevitable reckoning.

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Yup. Just like Obama and Paul Krugman believe that stimulus works, and if it doesn't then the stimulus just wasn't big enough. If our government continues to borrow, and (with a lack of real buyers) the Fed keeps printing money to buy the bonds, then WE will face the same problem as Greece - inflation.

What I *do* think could happen is that Europe goes through a serious financial crisis, and the U.S. Dollar will temporarily see a spike as investors rush to find any safe haven for their money. But if we don't stop spending, it will just delay the inevitable reckoning.


So cut spending like the British???
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The government is now allowing America to be sold off to the credit holders. http://edition.cnn.com/2012...-property/index.html
And our valuable farm land? http://www.naturalnews.com/...armland_America.html
Soon, China will own the land and we will be their serfs...
The national debt is so huge, over 12 trillion dollars, that even if we threw all our efforts into paying it down, we will not be able to pay the interest rates, that is the legacy our children and grandchildren face in the future.
But the private sector is doing fine!
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Oh, man! Soon, one of us is going to write a check and our bank will bounce.

WRECKING BALL: MOODY’S DOWNGRADES 15 MAJOR BANKS

  • Bank of America’s debt was downgraded to Baa2 from Baa1. That’s just a couple of notches above junk status.
  • JPMorgan Chase’s debt was downgraded to A2 from Aa3
  • Citigroup’s to Baa2 from A3
  • Morgan Stanley’s to Baa1 from A2
  • Goldman Sachs’s to A3 from A1
  • HSBC’s to Aa3 from Aa2
  • Barclay’s to A3 from A1

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NOTE: I think an even bigger potential drag on the economy than the "taxmageddon" issue is the new health care system.

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How Many Businesses Have Announced Closings or Layoffs Since Obama Won A Second Term?

Do elections have consequences? If you have been paying attention to the financial markets, you might think so. Wall Street has had two horrible days since President Obama won a second term.

However, stock prices are not the only thing taking a hit. It appears that the job market is also suffering. In the last 48 hours, the following major corporations have announced layoffs in America (links take you to news stories about the layoffs – with details from the companies):

• Energizer -

The St. Louis-based company said Thursday that it expects to shed about 1,500 employees. When finished, the restructuring should lead to $200 million in pretax yearly savings, Energizer said. It aims to have most of its restructuring steps finished by the end of September 2014.


• Exide Technologies -

Exide Technologies announced Thursday that it will be idling its lead-recycling operations in Laureldale and laying off 150 workers, effective no later than March 31.


• Westinghouse -

Westinghouse Anniston, the contractor responsible for shutting down Anniston’s chemical weapons incinerator, has reduced its workforce by another 50 employees.


• Research in Motion Limited -

Research in Motion Ltd., the maker of BlackBerry smartphones, laid off about 200 people at its U.S. headquarters in Irving on Wednesday, according to a source close to the company who did not want to be named.


• Lightyear Network Solutions -

More than one dozen employees at a Pikeville company lost their jobs this week. Officials with Lightyear Network Solutions said they are consolidating offices in Louisville and Pikeville to save money.


• Providence Journal -

The Providence Journal Co. laid off 23 full-time workers Wednesday as part of a cost-cutting effort, including 16 members of the Providence Newspaper Guild and 7 non-union employees.


• Hawker Beechcraft -

The company says 240 employees will lose their jobs with the closing of Hawker Beechcraft Services facilities in Little Rock, Ark.; Mesa, Ariz.; and San Antonio, Texas.


• Boeing (30% of their management staff) -

Boeing Co. said Wednesday it plans to employ 30% fewer executives at its Boeing Defense, Space & Security unit by the end of 2012 compared to 2010 levels.


• CVPH Medical Center -

CVPH Medical Center has handed pink slips to 17 employees. The layoffs — nine in management and eight hourly staffers — are part of an effort to “help bolster the hospital’s financial position in 2013 and beyond,” a press release said.


• US Cellular -

The move will result in 980 job cuts at U.S. Cellular, with 640 in the Chicago area, according to a spokeswoman. The cuts are slightly under 12 percent of the approximately 8,400 total employees U.S. Cellular had at the end of the third quarter.


• Momentive Performance Materials -

About 150 workers at Sistersville’s Momentive Performance Materials plant will be temporarily laid off later this month, officials said this week.


• Rocketdyne -

About 100 employees at Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne, most of whom work in the San Fernando Valley, were laid off Wednesday in response to dwindling government spending on space exploration, the company said. The layoffs were effective immediately, and 75 percent of them came at the facilities on Canoga and De Soto avenues, which employ about 1,100 people. The company has six sites across the Valley.


• Brake Parts -

The leader of an automotive parts plant in Lincoln County has told state officials that there are plans to lay off 75 workers starting in late December…The layoffs are expected to start Dec. 28 and continue in the first quarter of 2013
• Vestas Wind Systems -
Vestas Wind Systems A/S (VWS) is seeking to sell a stake of as much as 20 percent and said it’s reducing headcount by 3,000 to raise the staff cuts by the biggest wind turbine maker to almost a third over two years.


• Husqvarna -

Husqvarna AB (HUSQB), the world’s biggest maker of powered garden tools, plans to cut about 600 jobs in a move that will save 220 million kronor ($33 million) a year by 2014.


• Center for Hospice New York -

The Center for Hospice and Palliative Care plans to temporarily lay off as many as 40 employees next year as it embarks on a major renovation of the inpatient unit at its Cheektowaga campus.


• Bristol-Meyers -

Bristol-Myers Squibb is following up its lackluster third-quarter results with almost 480 layoffs. As Pharmalot reports, the company notified the New Jersey government that it would scale back in Plainsboro, which means the cuts will hit its sales operations.


• OCE North America -

Trumbull printer- and scanning-equipment provider Oce North America, Inc. will lay off 135 workers in three Connecticut communities, including East Hartford, according to its notice with the state Labor Department.


• Darden Restaurants -

The company, which was among those who had received an Obamacare waiver in the past, is looking to limit workers to 28 hours per week. A full time employee that is required to have health insurance (lest the employer pay a fine) works 30 hours per week, as defined by the Obamacare law.


• West Ridge Mine -

In its statement, UtahAmerican Energy blames the Obama administration for instituting policies that will close down “204 American coal-fired power plants by 2014″ and for drastically reducing the market for coal.


• United Blood Services Gulf -

United Blood Services Gulf South region, the non-profit blood service provider for much of south Louisiana and Mississippi, will lay off approximately 10 percent of its workforce. It was a hard decision to make according to Susan Begnaud, Regional Center Director for the Gulf South region.
A layoff is tough enough for employees to deal with, imagine hearing the crushing news that your office is shutting down just before Thanksgiving and Christmas… Here are some of the business closings that were announced in just the past two days:

Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn.
Mount Pleasant’s Albrecht Sentry Foods
The Target store at Manassas Mall Va.
Millennium Academy in Wake Forest NC
Target Closing Kissimmee FL Location
The Andover Gift Shop in Andover MA
Grand Union Family Markets Closing Storrs Location CT
Movie Scene Milford Location NH
Update: TE Connectivity Closing Greensboro Plant – 620 Layoffs Expected
Gomer’s Fried Chicken in South Kansas City
Kmart in Homer Glen
Fresh Market on Pine Street in Burlington
AGC Glass North America to permanently close its Blue Ridge Plant in Kingsport Tenn.
The Target store at Platte and Academy in Colorado Springs
The Roses store on Reynold Road in Winston-Salem NC
Bost Harley-Davidson at 46th Avenue North and Delaware Ave. in West Nashville TN
Townsend Booksellers in Oakland
The Kmart store in Parkway Plaza off University Drive in Durham NC – 79 Jobs Lost
To see even more companies that announced layoffs since the election, visit the Daily Job Cuts page.


This story has been updated.

Editor’s note: An earlier version of this story stated: Meanders Kitchen losing its West Seattle location at 6032 California Ave. While the West Seattle location is closing, there is more to this story. TheBlaze has heard from the restaurant’s owner who told us:

”we’ve expanded into a much larger space with more than double the seating capacity.”

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Floodgates Open on New Health Regs

After months of regulatory delays, the floodgates have apparently opened. The Health and Human Services Department delivered two major health reform rules to the Office of Management and Budget on Friday, the first in an anticipated stream of health regulation.
Many sources close to the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services told National Journal that the administration had a number of important health rules ready to go but was holding them back until after the election to avoid a political backlash. Now that President Obama has been reelected, they predicted those rules would start emerging, and fast. The forecast is about right. We are now three days postelection.
The content of the two rules that have gone to OMB have not been made public, but both relate to the insurance exchanges that states must build to sell health plans in 2014. It is not a surprise that exchange rules came first: States must tell HHS whether they plan to build their own exchange or let the federal government do it for them by November 16, next Friday. Many state officials have been complaining that it’s tough to make that decision without more details about how the various options would work.

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‘WILKOW:’ WHY SIMPLY TAXING THE RICH DOES NOT SOLVE THE PROBLEM


Wow is that the only thing proposed because I keep hearing them mention spending cuts as well?
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Wow is that the only thing proposed because I keep hearing them mention spending cuts as well?


Now if they would only MAKE the spending cuts instead of just TALK about them.
And "reductions in future increases" is NOT a cut.
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Extend and Pretend

By: Peter Schiff
Friday, November 9, 2012

Now that President Obama has been re-elected, the media is finally free to focus on something besides the clueless undecided voters in Ohio, Florida, and Colorado. The brightest and shiniest object that has attracted its attention is the "fiscal cliff" that we are expected to drive over at the end of the year unless Congress and the President can agree to turn the wheel or apply the brakes.

Fresh from his victory, the President took time today to let the nation know how he proposes to avoid the cliff: to raise taxes on those Americans who make more than $250,000 per year. He made clear than no one making less than that will be asked to pay any more. The two percent of taxpayers that the President is targeting earn 24.1% of all income and pay 43.6% (as of 2008) of all personal federal income taxes. Sounds like a fair share to me. But the four or five percent tax increases on those earners that are being proposed would only yield around $30 to $40 billion per year in added revenue, a drop in the federal bucket. Even if they were to double the amount that they pay our deficit would only be cut by about one third (even if those increases did not trigger an economic slowdown).

So what exactly is this looming menace, and why is it so dangerous? Stripped of its rhetorically charged language the fiscal cliff is simply a legal trigger that will trim the deficit in 2013 by automatically implementing spending cuts and tax increases. In other words, the government will spend less, and more of what it does spend will be paid for with taxes rather than debt. Isn't this exactly what both parties, and the public, more or less want? The fiscal cliff means that the federal budget deficit will be immediately cut in half, shrinking to approximately $641 billion in 2013 from the approximately $1.1 trillion in 2012. What is so terrible about that? I would argue that there is a greater danger in avoiding the cliff than driving over it.

If you recall, the cliff was created by a deal last year when Congress couldn't find ways to trim the deficit in exchange for raising the debt ceiling. When they failed to reach an agreement, Congress knew they had to raise the debt ceiling anyway. The resulting Budget Control Act of 2011, signed in August of that year, offered the pretense that they were dealing with our long-term fiscal crisis and not simply raising the debt ceiling with no strings attached. This was done not only to appease some House Republicans, who had threatened to vote against a debt ceiling increase, but to satisfy the bond rating agencies that had threatened a down-grade if Congress failed to act.

Now the focus turns to how Congress will dismantle the structure it created just 16 months ago. There can be little doubt that they will as economists are assuring politicians that driving over the fiscal cliff will immediately bring on a recession. The expiration of the Bush era tax cuts for all taxpayers will cost Americans an estimated $423 billion in 2013 alone. Hundreds of billions of across the board spending cuts, including the military, have been delineated. No politician would allow that to happen.

It is amazing that members of Congress can keep a straight face as they claim to want to address our long-term deficit problem while simultaneously working to avoid any substantive action. No doubt an agreement will be reached that will replace the looming fiscal cliff with another one farther down the road (which they can easily dismantle before we actually reach the precipice). Will the rating agencies buy this bill of goods a second time? If we lack the political courage to go over this fiscal cliff, why should anyone think we will be able to stomach going over the next one? Especially since each time we delay going over the cliff, we simply increase its future size, making it that much harder to actually go over it.

Many currently believe last year's S&P downgrade resulted from the same congressional dysfunction that resulted in the fiscal cliff agreement. The truth is that the downgrade would probably have been much greater, and more rating agencies would have likely joined S&P in taking action, had it not been for the fiscal cliff agreement. If further downgrades fail to be issued when the lame duck Congress inevitably comes up with another can kicking deal, then the agencies themselves could lose any remaining credibility. In my opinion, the only explanation for inaction by the rating agencies would be for fear of regulatory retaliation by a vindictive U.S government.

I do not think it is a coincidence that while the banks are suffering a regulatory backlash as a result of their perceived culpability for the mortgage crisis, the credit rating agencies have been relatively untouched. But the credit agencies played a key role in catalyzing the mortgage crisis by giving questionable ratings to the mortgage backed securities. My guess is the government simply does not want to open up that can of worms as similar mistakes are being made with respect to the agencies' ratings of government debt.

The truth is that regardless of what you call it, going over the fiscal cliff is not the problem, it is part of the solution. Our leaders should construct a cliff that is actually large enough to restore fiscal balance before a real disaster occurs. That disaster will take the form of a dollar and/or sovereign debt crisis that will make this fiscal cliff look like an ant hill.
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Wait until this s*** hits the economy:

$1 Trillion Obamacare Tax Hike Hitting on Jan. 1
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Originally posted by fierobear:
Wait until this s*** hits the economy:

$1 Trillion Obamacare Tax Hike Hitting on Jan. 1

It's a trillion dollars, but it's spread over the years from 2013 to 2022. For comparison, U.S. GDP for 2012 is just about 15 trillion.

Maybe they should just come up with a rigorous accounting of total yearly income per person, and base all tax revenues on that--a comprehensive personal income tax--and eliminate all the innumerable other specific taxes (like this new Obamacare Medical Device tax) that are levied on just about everything under the sun. Eliminate all taxes on companies, corporations and commerce.

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Originally posted by fierobear:

Wait until this s*** hits the economy:

$1 Trillion Obamacare Tax Hike Hitting on Jan. 1


Have you seen this one :


Another version : (source : EXPLAINING THE FISCAL CLIFF )

Lesson # 1: (easy)
* U.S. Tax revenue:------------$2,170,000,000,000
* Fed budget:-------------------$3,820,000,000,000
* New debt:----------------------$1,650,000,000,000
* National debt:----------------$14,271,000,000,000
* Recent budget cuts:-------------$38,500,000,000

Let's now remove 8 zeros and pretend it's a household budget:

* Annual family income:------------------$21,700.00
* Money the family spent:----------------$38,200.00
* New debt on the credit card:----------$16,500.00
* Outstanding credit card balance:---$142,710.00
* Total budget cuts so far:-------------------$ 385.00


Got It ?????
(N.B. No mention of Interest-payable on National Debt or Outstanding Credit Card balance)

Lesson #2 (even easier)
Let's say you come home from work and there
has been a sewer backup in your neighborhood...
and your home has sewage all the way up to your ceilings.

What do you think you should do?
Raise the ceilings or remove the crap?

End of lessons.

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Originally posted by rinselberg:

It's a trillion dollars, but it's spread over the years from 2013 to 2022. For comparison, U.S. GDP for 2012 is just about 15 trillion.


Those aren't the only taxes associated with Obamacare.

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Less than 7 hours until the cliff? Congress has Jame Bond complex.
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Fiscal cliff, what a joke. They've known about this for the last 517 days or since Aug 2011 and now they're acting as-if they are hard at work.

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Key word being"acting".
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Fiscal cliff, what a joke. They've known about this for the last 517 days or since Aug 2011 and now they're acting as-if they are hard at work.


It is one reason why I gave up on politics. Both parties are useless. Both are too entrenched. Too much resistance to meaningful change.
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Report this Post01-03-2013 02:35 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
The recent "fiscal cliff" deal, put into perspective:

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