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need help 2002 grand prix no start by fierobrian
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Report this Post07-08-2012 09:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobrianSend a Private Message to fierobrianDirect Link to This Post
i got a 2002 grand prix 3.8 na running great was clearing the check engine so had battery unhooked tried to start with the battery unhooked now the p light ( as in park drive drive123 )flashes and the car does nothing no light inside doesnt try to start . checked all the fuses they are fine im lost
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Report this Post07-08-2012 09:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierofetishSend a Private Message to fierofetishDirect Link to This Post
How do you start a car without a BATTERY? Jumper leads to the battery cables? IDK checks calendar..nope...April 1st LONG gone
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Report this Post07-08-2012 09:25 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobrianSend a Private Message to fierobrianDirect Link to This Post
i put the key and tried to start it before the battery was hooked up . then it held the key for a few mins and then let it go but no light in side of car and it does nothing
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Report this Post07-08-2012 09:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierofetishSend a Private Message to fierofetishDirect Link to This Post
I haven't A CLUE!! but...MAYBE A WIRE HAS COME ADRIFT SOMEWHERE NEAR WHERE YOU WERE WORKING? iS THERE ANY POWER TO THE POSITIVE SIDE OF THE FUSES? Ooops,caps lock..too tired to go back and type it again...sorry
IS the BATTERY flat? If there is no power to the ignition switch, I can't see why the key was 'held' for a few minutes . ANY power anywhere? Tried a different known good battery? Jumper cables? Take off the positive cable from the battery, and put a meter between the clamp and the battery, and see if there is any current flowing...dash clock working? Does it have a built-in anti-theft dievice which has its own battery? I'm just spittin' in the wind... but maybe something will point you in the right direction
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http://www.fixya.com/cars/t7972533-security_light

It's when the security light starts flashing that the infamous "chip" in the key becomes a nightmare to many. Gradually the car begins not cranking anymore or if it cranks it would start and die in a second. Randomly it will do this more and more often until it won't start anymore. VATS, PASSkey and Passlock immobilizer systems are killing cars all over North America, they have a short lifespan and are certainly more effective against owners than thieves. Here is how you save your car
1st trick, (if not starting) turn the key forward 2 clicks till right before it would normally start, leave like that for 10 minutes. ( no less ) After 10 minutes, turn key back then forward and your car might start. I did this in my regal for more than a year. If its shuting down while running, im sorry i have no quick fix...

Cheap fix: Bypass the chip in your key. Temporary, but effective. Until the TDM (theft deterrent module) in the dash poops out, then you're kinda screwed. I was told that these types of key security systems have a 7-10 year life span. Sucks for us. This link explains the "Key Issue" pretty well.
----- http://vats.likeabigdog.com/


Never worry again fix: Bypass the whole VATS/Passlock/passkey I or passkey II system entirely. Literally take it out, and throw it away. I just did this in my Regal. Took about an hour. Took longer to find the thing than it did to fix the problem. For a list of cars effected by this problem. See the NEWROCKIES link on the right side of their page......... They sell a unit for 200 bucks to totally bypass this system FOREVER. life time-money back and all that. Finally did this in my car. Well worth the 200 if you've looked into getting this replaced... Anywhere from 600-1000 bucks.
----- http://newrockies.ca?ap_id=judd0081
----- With this fix, you can take that whole Vats, passlock, passkey **** system out of your car all together. Good info on both sites

It works for:
Any GM or Isuzu Vehicle with VATS or PASSKey or PASSLock security systems.
If your car has the chip in the key or in the lock cylinder, then you can save it with this Full Bypass.
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leave the key in the ignition, turned to 'run' (just before the crank position) and leave it there for about 15 minutes-the security light will then stop flashing-do NOT turn it off, turn it to crank and start the car. You have a security module that is not seeing the same resistance in the ignition switch as it expects, meaning you will have to either replace the ignition switch (expensive) or bypass the module (easy and inexpensive)-I have done lots of these, requires about 15 cents worth of parts and can be done in 1/2 hour.

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If the headlights are flashing, the alarm system is factory installed. Inserting the key into the driver door lock and turning to the left then back to the right is supposed to disarm it. If the parking lights are blinking,, the alarm is an aftermarket add on, and there should be a disarm button under the dash on the driver side. If it' an aftermarket alarm, you should be able to have it removed. There is a way to bypass the factory alarm. There is a wiring harness in the driver's door. You will have to remove the door panel to find it. The wire is dark green and purple. Splice into that wire and ground it to the chassis and the alarm should no longer work.

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With the new lock cylinder in it, turn the key on. The security light should blink. Leave the key on for 10 minutes, the security light will quit blinking and go out after 10 min. This will reprogram your security system and the car should start. Also leave a battery charger on it while the key is on, If the battery goes dead during the 10 minute reprogram sequence, you will have to start over again.

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the electrical part of the ignition switch needs to be relearned

by Author image joe accardo Over a year ago
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on your 2005 chev. has a factory alarm system and a chip on the key to the ignition switch if you turn the key and you don't here the starter cranking then that could be the alarm system if you here the starter cranking then it could be the chip in the key when you put the key on and engine off you should see the security light should see the light turn off if not then the anti theft is not deactivating if the light turns off then you have a electrical problem have your starter checked out good luck Josh

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Was the key in the ignition or turned on when the the battery was hooked up??
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quote
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Was the key in the ignition or turned on when the the battery was hooked up??


yes it was
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yes it was


If the key was on when the battery was hooked up it can damage the PCM or any modules, it can even set off an airbag. Never have the key even in the ignition when hooking up the battery. Voltage spikes aren't friendly.
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Report this Post07-09-2012 10:55 AM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobrianSend a Private Message to fierobrianDirect Link to This Post
the battery drop2 cells lol dam new battery have gone up a ton from the last time i got one but 115 dollars later it runs great . my volt meter was at work so i could see how much volts just that it had some . all my other battery here were top mount instead of side mount going to water up old battery and try to save it , it is low on water in 2 cells

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Glad you got it sorted
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