quote Originally posted by fierobear: Computer companies, like Apple, make over 20% profit, according to that chart. Where's the outrage over those obscene profits?

Actually the fact that they often manufacture many of their products using abhorrent labour practices to maximize profit is disgusting IMO.

It's part of the reason I don't buy any of their products.

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quote Originally posted by newf: Actually the fact that they often manufacture many of their products using abhorrent labour practices to maximize profit is disgusting IMO. It's part of the reason I don't buy any of their products.

I eschew Apple for other reason, not the least of which is how everything they sell is a lot more expensive.

Look out Bear that's something else we agree on.

quote Originally posted by newf: Great graphs but instead of per dollar why not look at total revenue or profit? .

oh course, just like your science feens to make the data say what you want..
you may buy one computer every other year.. but 1000 gallons of fuel..
your way takes that FACT and throws it in the trash like it doesn't MaTtEr...
oil sells more units than say the electronics giant apple.. so your way gets you the # you want for your cause..
nice try tho.. you must think people are stupid..

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: oh course, just like your science feens to make the data say what you want.. you may buy one computer every other year.. but 1000 gallons of fuel.. your way takes that FACT and throws it in the trash like it doesn't MaTtEr... oil sells more units than say the electronics giant apple.. so your way gets you the # you want for your cause.. nice try tho.. you must think people are stupid..

I'm sorry I don't really understand what you are trying to say.

quote Originally posted by newf: I'm sorry I don't really understand what you are trying to say.

if apple sold billions of computers a day wat would their "profits" be..
if you what to compair volume sales...

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: if apple sold billions of computers a day wat would their "profits" be.. if you what to compair volume sales...

If they sold that much a day their profit margin would probably be less, wouldn't you think?

quote Originally posted by newf: If they sold that much a day their profit margin would probably be less, wouldn't you think?

not if nothing else changed..
but you want to compare apples to oranges..
not apples to apples..
again, as seen as you missed it the first time oil profits look huge.. not because of GREED.. it's from a factor.. you would like to shove under a rug..
it's called SHEAR VOLUME OF SALES.. but that FACT take the teeth out of the b/s that THE BIG BAD OIL COMPANIES ARE SUPER GREEDY and are taking advantage of the people..
sadly the general public can't think and when they hear shell made 15 billion last quarter, and say well we use about a billion barrels of oil a day.. times 90 days time 35 gallons . wow, they really don't make much profit per unit.. after they pay all the bills... no no that be using a thing called common sense.. and reason.. and thinking.. can't have that.. just that they are greedy yaya thats the ticket..

quote Originally posted by E.Furgal: not if nothing else changed.. but you want to compare apples to oranges.. not apples to apples.. again, as seen as you missed it the first time oil profits look huge.. not because of GREED.. it's from a factor.. you would like to shove under a rug.. it's called SHEAR VOLUME OF SALES.. but that FACT take the teeth out of the b/s that THE BIG BAD OIL COMPANIES ARE SUPER GREEDY and are taking advantage of the people.. sadly the general public can't think and when they hear shell made 15 billion last quarter, and say well we use about a billion barrels of oil a day.. times 90 days time 35 gallons . wow, they really don't make much profit per unit.. after they pay all the bills... no no that be using a thing called common sense.. and reason.. and thinking.. can't have that.. just that they are greedy yaya thats the ticket..

Greedy is good in corporations I have heard it said on this site.

Also I am not commenting about the volume of sales IMO that doesn't matter too much what matters IMO is revenue and profit and in that catagory they are exceedingly wealthy and powerful.

Why is volume such a factor and what about the numbers you quoted earlier that appear to be wrong.

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oh brother.

Newf = voice of reason in this debate. Oil companies have their self interests (profit) and have huge power and influence. We can't just turn off the oil spigot but we better start looking at a post petroleum possibility. Post petroleum WILL happen it's just a matter of time.

quote Originally posted by dratts: Newf = voice of reason in this debate. Oil companies have their self interests (profit) and have huge power and influence. We can't just turn off the oil spigot but we better start looking at a post petroleum possibility. Post petroleum WILL happen it's just a matter of time.

they said that in the 70's we'd be out by now..
only way it will change is if people go back to local markets.. local small villages, that they only have to go into town for goods 2 times a month..
the national box chains, killed off what was left of that.. some have no idea what a farmers market is.. or what barrtering is..

We will NEVER run out of oil. We will reach a point where it takes more energy to get it out of the ground than the energy we get when we burn it. Probably before that happens it will price itself out of the market. It is a finite resource! Why not lay some plans before we reach those situations. The sooner we achieve affordable alternative energy the better.

quote Originally posted by dratts: We will NEVER run out of oil. We will reach a point where it takes more energy to get it out of the ground than the energy we get when we burn it. Probably before that happens it will price itself out of the market. It is a finite resource! Why not lay some plans before we reach those situations. The sooner we achieve affordable alternative energy the better.

We are working on alternatives. Hybrids and electrics are growing We could use natural gas for centuries before we run out and find a better fuel, if there is one.

There is also the "Abiotic Oil" theory.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: We are working on alternatives. Hybrids and electrics are growing We could use natural gas for centuries before we run out and find a better fuel, if there is one. There is also the "Abiotic Oil" theory.

untill they can being the cost down.. and set up a recycle plan, that doesn't cost tons.. hybrids are going now where fast.. any money you save on gas, you'll give to the banks in loan interest..
things that stould be hybrids or all electric.. garbage trucks, mail trucks,school buses..
the small gas vehicles get as good or better than any hybrid..
we need to pick one of these.. the epg's c.a.f.e. and mpg requirements, or the highway safty dept.. pick one, trash the other..
I think the highway safty dept . as far as regs on vehicles. should be axed..
like market forces handle that.. there is no reason a camaro is 4200 lb's when a 74 duster with cast iron 6 was 2800 and is the same size basicly..
my 86 monte SS is 3300-3400 lbs and is a loaded car. iron block/heads
what you think a cruze or hhr would get for mph. if you removed all the safty crap.. 8 air bags,abs,etc
I'd buy a car that was the size of a monte with todays engines and none of the useless crap.. as it get 40mpg with a v6 and 30 with a v8 (the ls swap ones now get 30 highway)
hell todays 4 banger with a turbo would make more power than the 305 did and with 6spd's be faster.. and get at least 40 . no hybrid no battery pack. no extra cost.. and I'll bet safer than that tiny toyota hybrid.. with no air bags and no abs, or any of tha crap..
the highway safety dept reg's are holding back mpg..

I don't feel like talking about global warming, or Big Oil, or any of that stuff right now. But I would like to make a quick comment on human psychology.

It seems that when we see a person change his/her mind in a big way, we tend to assume that the person's new outlook is the correct one. In other words, we assume that he/she has "seen the light", and is now on the path of righteousness. This is not always true. People make mistakes... even during an epiphany, sometimes.

Just a thought.