quote Originally posted by fierobear: Bain Capital is an investment company. They have MANY success stories, like Staples (they aren't bankrupt, are they?). It is pretty rare to be successful all the time in business. The only way you can profit from buying a company and bankrupting it would be if they had a lot of hard assets (equipment, land) and you could figure out how to get it for pennies on the dollar. But that is not a very high-odds way to try to make a living.

I see you ignore the rolling stone article about Romney and bain. Plus there is only one US. Do we want Romney to 'harvest' the US.

"Thanks to leverage, 10 of roughly 67 major deals by Bain Capital during Romney’s watch produced about 70 percent of the firm’s profits. Four of those 10 deals, as well as others, later wound up in bankruptcy. It’s worth examining some of them to understand Romney’s investment style at Bain Capital."

http://www.bloomberg.com/ne...cialized-losses.html

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Hahahaha, of course they will, they are doing it here right now right here instead of answering the question.

I good question might also be, just how long does a democrat need to be president before it's really his fault. I say NEVER never has been, never will. Sounds like seven up. Seven up yours.

quote Originally posted by Red88FF: Hahahaha, of course they will, they are doing it here right now right here instead of answering the question. I good question might also be, just how long does a democrat need to be president before it's really his fault. I say NEVER never has been, never will. Sounds like seven up. Seven up yours.

You mean that poor attempt of a biased question?

Now how come Romney is getting a pass? Just like Obama got a pass. Interesting. Anyone but Obama, eh?

quote Originally posted by jaskispyder: You mean that poor attempt of a biased question? Now how come Romney is getting a pass? Just like Obama got a pass. Interesting. Anyone but Obama, eh?

Yup, that “biased” question which you are demonstrating exactly why the OP made this very entertaining thread.

The question was not, is not, about Romney. Personally, if after Romney has had a shot at it I will chastise him or praise him whichever is due.

Could not...help.....myself...



Tony

TO ignore reality IS NOT A LIBERAL TRADITION

IT IS A NUT-CON TRADITION

YOU NUT CON'S HAVE DOGMA INSTEAD OF REALITY
YOU USE FAITH NOT FACTS
AND BIG LIES REPLACE TRUTH

THAT IS WHY A MODERATE DEMO IS NOT A RED/MOSLEM/RACIST/PEACENIK
AND WILL BEAT YOUR CORPrat RAIDER CULT GUY BY A LANDSLIDE

quote Originally posted by ray b: TO ignore reality IS NOT A LIBERAL TRADITION IT IS A NUT-CON TRADITION YOU NUT CON'S HAVE DOGMA INSTEAD OF REALITY YOU USE FAITH NOT FACTS AND BIG LIES REPLACE TRUTH THAT IS WHY A MODERATE DEMO IS NOT A RED/MOSLEM/RACIST/PEACENIK AND WILL BEAT YOUR CORPrat RAIDER CULT GUY BY A LANDSLIDE

lol. Oh wait, you were serious. So, so sad.

quote Originally posted by ray b: TO ignore reality IS A LIBERAL TRADITION

There-- fixed it for you.

So, once again, how is that hope and change working for ya? And by ya, I mean America as a WHOLE.

Tony

quote Originally posted by ray b: ...CORPrat...

Just curious, where do you think this country would be without corporations?
Where would we be without good paying jobs with the ability to provide stability to our families?
Where would we be if we hadn't led the industrial revolution?
Where would we be if we taxed all of our companies to the edge of bankruptcy?
Where would we be if we discontinued welfare in the 40's?
Where would we be if we made the American populous take responsibility and stop thinking they are entitled?
Where would we be if the courts (think NFL on this one) were allowed to handle employee grievances instead of corrupt unions?
Where would we be if the government hadn't been making it harder and harder for corporations to do business in the US for the past several decades?

quote Originally posted by Xyster: Just curious, where do you think this country would be without corporations? Where would we be without good paying jobs with the ability to provide stability to our families? Where would we be if we hadn't led the industrial revolution? Where would we be if we taxed all of our companies to the edge of bankruptcy? Where would we be if we discontinued welfare in the 40's? Where would we be if we made the American populous take responsibility and stop thinking they are entitled? Where would we be if the courts (think NFL on this one) were allowed to handle employee grievances instead of corrupt unions? Where would we be if the government hadn't been making it harder and harder for corporations to do business in the US for the past several decades?

let's take one word ignore the rest
and come up with a list of what if BS

I doNOT KNOW, but your list is PURE BS

AND IF NUT CON'S HAD THEIR WAY
the USA WOULD LOOK LIKE HAITI
few super RICH with EVERYTHING
and a mass of poor people without SQUAT

be careful what you wish for
you just mite get it!!!!!!!!!!

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Huge surprise... you didn't answer the question either, and yet managed to blame both wars for the debt while completely ignoring the fact that welfare and entitlement spending has dwarfed Defense spending over the past 6-7 years. Todd

How much of the welfare and entitlement spending is because of a long, drawn-out recession, and because of obligations made by prior administrations, and how much of it is because of Obama's actions and policies?

Legitimate question. Look forward to your response

quote Originally posted by ray b: 6600 to 13500 on the dow or doubled

This is why the stock market is up. Note the part about the Fed, and money printing:

quote Originally posted by ray b: 6600 to 13500 on the dow or doubled the corpRATS are doing fine Rmoney made 20 million if the nut-con's would help instead of spreading fear and hate and BIG LIES I suspect we would be even better off now

I know that your beliefs are yours. But wow.

Tony

quote Originally posted by Tony Kania: I know that your beliefs are yours. But wow. Tony

so you think spreading fear and hate and BIG LIES
is better then helping ????

quote Originally posted by ray b: 6600 to 13500 on the dow

One word....EURO!

quote Originally posted by Toddster: One word....EURO!

bs the EURO moved about 150 to 122 current 129
or less then 20% not 100%

numbers donot lie
but nut con's sure do repeatedly

try again you fail

BOTH SIDES LIE

PERIOD

DONT THINK FOR 1 MINUTE THAT YOURS IS BETTER

LIES HURT


TONY

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quote Originally posted by ray b: bs the EURO moved about 150 to 122 current 129 or less then 20% not 100% numbers donot lie but nut con's sure do repeatedly try again you fail

Wrong, it has been proven is study after study that the strength of the dollar is positively correlated to the strength of the DJIA. And since the Dollar is weak that only leaves one other currency worth this much...the Euro. Google it.

And for the record, do you not see the unbridled hypocrisy of touting the stength of the DOW in your war on CORP-RATS?

Obama is a failure. A miserable failure... I'm talking F- !

And you will see that tonight in the first debate.

numbers doNOT back your BS

BTW EVER COUNT YOUR HOME SALES THAT ARE NOW FORECLOSED

STILL WAITING TO SEE IF YOUR BS IS REAL OR NOT

POST SOME REAL NUMBERS AND LESS BS

quote Originally posted by masospaghetti: How much of the welfare and entitlement spending is because of a long, drawn-out recession, and because of obligations made by prior administrations, and how much of it is because of Obama's actions and policies? Legitimate question. Look forward to your response

Really? This is your response? Prior administrations? You're bringing up George Bush again?


The American public didn't elect Obama so he could waste 4 years complaining about how things aren't his fault. They elected him to CHANGE and fix the problems from the previous administration. Obama has done every thing that Bush did that was wrong, and make it exponentially worse.

On top of that, he had a SUPER MAJORITY for 2 years and he never bothered to pass a budget.

You failed HORRIBLY in your response... total crap.


Not a single God-damned one of you can answer the question, which leads me to believe you're all delusional. Every one of you here that has refused to answer the question is obviously a Democrat until Death-Do-You-Part... you obviously can't rely on logic to make your decisions... just pure emotion.

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The secret spy tape of Romney says it all correctly. Most of the ones that support Obama will do so till their death and you will not change their mind, no matter what he does. Just read any of the Obama threads here.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Not a single God-damned one of you can answer the question, which leads me to believe you're all delusional. Every one of you here that has refused to answer the question is obviously a Democrat until Death-Do-You-Part... you obviously can't rely on logic to make your decisions... just pure emotion.

Really?
That's the conclusion you came to from everything I said?
The question is for Democrats, yet everyone that refused to answer the question TO YOUR LIKING is also a democrat?

Just for sh!ts & giggles, what would have been the correct answer to your "question"?:

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: "If Obama wins, and this continues to happen, will you (as a Democrat voter) still place the blame on everyone but the administration? Will you still say that somehow, the Republicans are at fault?

"Yes, I will STILL place the blame on everyone but the administration, and I will STILL still say that somehow, the Republicans are at fault."
~or~
"No, I will not STILL place the blame on everyone but the administration, and I will not STILL say that somehow, the Republicans are at fault."

Even though they may have "STILL" never did any of that?

You see what I mean about the "question"?
You are asking people if they will STILL do something they may not have ever done.
How do they answer that?

And you don't get that?
Yet you are "lead to believe they are all delusional"?
That THEY are?

As for me, even if it really WAS a question, I could not answer it, as I am not a Democrat, nor have I or do I blame any ONE entity, or a SINGLE group, for the mess we are in.
I'm a thinking man, based in reality.
It ain't just one man or one group, anymore then you were just posing a "simple question".

Really.

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quote Originally posted by Boondawg: "Yes, I will STILL place the blame on everyone but the administration, and I will STILL still say that somehow, the Republicans are at fault." ~or~ "No, I will not STILL place the blame on everyone but the administration, and I will not STILL say that somehow, the Republicans are at fault." Even though they may have "STILL" never did any of that? You see what I mean about the "question"? You are asking people if they will STILL do something they may not have ever done. How do they answer that? And you don't get that? Yet you are "lead to believe they are all delusional"? That THEY are? As for me, even if it really WAS a question, I could not answer it, as I am not a Democrat, nor have I or do I blame any ONE entity, or a SINGLE group, for the mess we are in. I'm a thinking man, based in reality. It ain't just one man or one group, anymore then you were just posing a "simple question". Really.

Honestly, you're rambling... as half of what you just said makes NO sense at all.

What I would LOVE to see is:

"Yes, if Obama wins re-election, and he hasn't fixed it after his second term, then I will no longer blame the Republicans and will instead blame Obama."


I actually thought maybe I'd get an honest answer, but I just have to realize that that's not really what this is about... most of you here are simply going to feed off whatever he says, and it doesn't really matter. Short of him actually eating a baby on live television, you guys would probably still vote for him. I mean, if a video came out from his past where he said "I plan to destroy America slowly by surely..." you guys would probably STILL vote for him.

Of course, you're going to tip-toe around and talk about hypathetics and all that other nonsense... but the fact is, you refuse to answer this question. It's not a hard question, and it's not leading... just answer the God damned question.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Honestly, you're rambling... as half of what you just said makes NO sense at all. What I would LOVE to see is: "Yes, if Obama wins re-election, and he hasn't fixed it after his second term, then I will no longer blame the Republicans and will instead blame Obama." I actually thought maybe I'd get an honest answer, but I just have to realize that that's not really what this is about... most of you here are simply going to feed off whatever he says, and it doesn't really matter. Short of him actually eating a baby on live television, you guys would probably still vote for him. I mean, if a video came out from his past where he said "I plan to destroy America slowly by surely..." you guys would probably STILL vote for him. Of course, you're going to tip-toe around and talk about hypathetics and all that other nonsense... but the fact is, you refuse to answer this question. It's not a hard question, and it's not leading... just answer the God damned question.

Unfortunatly, you seem to be stuck.
The problem is not mine.

quote Originally posted by ray b: numbers doNOT back your BS BTW EVER COUNT YOUR HOME SALES THAT ARE NOW FORECLOSED STILL WAITING TO SEE IF YOUR BS IS REAL OR NOT POST SOME REAL NUMBERS AND LESS BS

Yeah rayb? which numbers? Pi? 69?

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: Unfortunatly, you seem to be stuck. The problem is not mine.

It's a real simple question Boonie... if Obama wins re-election, AND if the economy does not recover, will you blame Republicans, or place the blame on Obama?

Real simple... yes or no.

quote Originally posted by ray b: let's take one word ignore the rest and come up with a list of what if BS I doNOT KNOW, but your list is PURE BS AND IF NUT CON'S HAD THEIR WAY the USA WOULD LOOK LIKE HAITI few super RICH with EVERYTHING and a mass of poor people without SQUAT be careful what you wish for you just mite get it!!!!!!!!!!

FYI, without corporations the whole nation would be like the poor of Haiti.
It's nice to see that you don't change your tactics.
Step 1: apply socialist spin
Step 2: state that everything you can't spin is BS.

I hope that someday you can wake up and realize the lies your union rep feeds you are the cause of our nation's problems.

Tony

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's a real simple question Boonie... if Obama wins re-election, AND if the economy does not recover, will you blame Republicans, or place the blame on Obama? Real simple... yes or no.

See, now that's a question!

I myself don't deal too much in blameing.
There is plenty to go around.
And how do you know where blame goes?

I mean, if Obama presents what he thinks is a good plan, but the republicans don't think it is & block it, who are you supposed to blame?
The President for doing what he thinks is right, or the Republicans for doing what they think is right?

One-sided blame just don't work.
It's like a room full of skunks arguing over who stinks.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: It's a real simple question Boonie... if Obama wins re-election, AND if the economy does not recover, will you blame Republicans, or place the blame on Obama? Real simple... yes or no.

You are finding out that a great many people have a great deal of difficulty answering exceedingly simple and direct questions--there is a reason for that, and it isn't because they lack the ability or intelligence to do so.

quote Originally posted by maryjane: You are finding out that a great many people have a great deal of difficulty answering exceedingly simple and direct questions--there is a reason for that, and it isn't because they lack the ability or intelligence to do so.

I explaned myself quite well.
The question was for those that blame one OR the other.
I do not.

It's not that hard to comprehend.

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OK, I have found myself in another political thread. What the hell is wrong with me? Actually that's probably easier to answer than the OP's question.

In short, not being a Dem, I'm not going to answer the question, but I have some of my own.

Is it possible that most of the financial problems we face have been building much longer than just the past 4 (ish) years? Even longer than the past 10 years?

Is it possible that things were so bad when Obama took office, that we weren't fully aware of how bad things actually were?

Is it possible that things were so bad, that there was no way of digging ourselves out within a relatively short amount of time (4 years or so)?

Is it possible that the political show we're watching is as choreographed as any other television show we watch (like wrestling where they pick our enemies for us but it's all fake)?

Is it possible that our power of choice is an illusion?

If the answer to any of these questions is yes, then what? Who CAN you blame?

quote Originally posted by mptighe: OK, I have found myself in another political thread. What the hell is wrong with me? Actually that's probably easier to answer than the OP's question. In short, not being a Dem, I'm not going to answer the question, but I have some of my own. Is it possible that most of the financial problems we face have been building much longer than just the past 4 (ish) years? Even longer than the past 10 years? Is it possible that things were so bad when Obama took office, that we weren't fully aware of how bad things actually were? Is it possible that things were so bad, that there was no way of digging ourselves out within a relatively short amount of time (4 years or so)? Is it possible that the political show we're watching is as choreographed as any other television show we watch (like wrestling where they pick our enemies for us but it's all fake)? Is it possible that our power of choice is an illusion? If the answer to any of these questions is yes, then what? Who CAN you blame?

1. Definitely yes. IMO it started with FDR's new deal.
2. Yes it is very possible.
3. Yes, but shouldn't we have seen some sort of improvement?
4. Yep. The media has twisted things for their agenda for many years.
5. Not if we have a civil war coming.

Oh, I'm sorry. Was this rhetorical?

quote Originally posted by Boondawg: I explaned myself quite well. The question was for those that blame one OR the other. I do not. It's not that hard to comprehend.

I agree. The original question is not all difficult to comprehend--or to answer in less than 5 words..probably in just 1 word.

quote Originally posted by Xyster: 1. Definitely yes. IMO it started with FDR's new deal. 2. Yes it is very possible. 3. Yes, but shouldn't we have seen some sort of improvement? 4. Yep. The media has twisted things for their agenda for many years. 5. Not if we have a civil war coming. Oh, I'm sorry. Was this rhetorical?

No, not at all. It's an exercise in introspection.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Really? This is your response? Prior administrations? You're bringing up George Bush again? You failed HORRIBLY in your response... total crap. .. Not a single God-damned one of you can answer the question, which leads me to believe you're all delusional...you obviously can't rely on logic to make your decisions... just pure emotion.

Seriously, get off your high horse. I ask you a simple, respectful question and you come back with a series of childish insults. And you think that I am the emotional one?

Are you stupid enough to think that things change the instant someone becomes president? If you know better, than please tell - since that's what I was asking to begin with.

Speaking of delusions, you immediately attack my character because I challenge your beliefs. I am far from an Obama supporter... but you immediately label me as one because I challenged you to do some logical thinking of your own.