quote Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN: Ooooops.....my bad, i guess i was wrong to stand up for the fellow hard working american & business man that works his ass off to support a family AND the lazy welfare & immigrants that voted tat lying socialist in!!!! Cliff can see it & spell it out an ocean away, why cant the rest of stupid america figure it out under thier nose!!!????

Because when election time comes and the options are black Santa Claus promising to give you everything for free, with no need to work vs. a candidate who says that we need to bring back virtue, hardwork, and make some sacrifices to get ourselves back on track - guys like Mptighe will always vote for guy with the free stuff and the easy way out. And he is not going to be happy till the last few working souls like yourself are putting in 24 hours day to support him and his entitled peers. This the kind of change he wants for the country. This is what I see from his posts.

quote Originally posted by mptighe: And some of the worst areas in the country as far as poverty and illiteracy are rural areas. What's your point? Aren't you one of the people that was moving if Obama won? House up for sale yet?

Yes it is. Some real estate appraisers are coming by this week. Im going to take some of my cars to the classic car auction this weekend. Im already checking into satellite tv, internet and phone. Guy at the car shop next door wants to buy any tools I dont want. I already know where Im going to, just not going till this one is gone. You interested ? Im flying down next week to transfer my bank account offshore and apply for dual citizenship. I have family ties there, my mom was from there and lots of extended family are there.

Did you watch Jimmy Kimmel last nite. They did one of their on the street interviews...IN THE BIG CITY. Just to show you the morons voting, they asked them about if they were voting yesterday (Wednesday) for the Vice Presidential Election too. A lot said yes they were. One black man said he was going to vote for O'Biden. LMAO. Some said they voted for both elections, ROFLMAO

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quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Yes it is. Im going to take some of my cars to the classic car auction this weekend. Im already checking into satellite tv, internet and phone. Guy at the car shop next door wants to buy any tools I dont want. I already know where Im going to, just not going till this one is gone. You interested ? Im flying down next week to transfer my bank account offshore and apply for dual citizenship. I have family ties there, my mom was from there and lots of extended family are there. Did you watch Jimmy Kimmel last nite. They did one of their on the street interviews...IN THE BIG CITY. Just to show you the morons voting, they asked them about if they were voting yesterday (Wednesday) for the Vice Presidential Election too. A lot said yes they were. One black man said he was going to vote for O'Biden. LMAO. Some said they voted for both elections, ROFLMAO

And thats the "stupid" class the assclown wagered on......

quote Originally posted by Wichita: More didn't disagree than in 2008. Romney received 3 million less Republican votes than McCain did. They voted Obama instead. That is something to think about. I know the reason why they did and it wasn't "free stuff".

It wasn't just the abortion issue.

It was a load of things.

McCain was a sincere person. People new that. They just wanted something different and went with Obama.

Romney wasn't a trusted candidate. For good and bad reasons both, people really thought Romney was just there for himself and honestly didn't care about the country. I disagree with that, but I saw that mentality everywhere. The abortion issue is definitely up there with Republicans not getting votes, but that isn't the sole reason. I don't think it's the biggest reason. There are far too many factors to name on why he lost.

I think the right is taking it better than I expected. I can't say I am seeing any more rhetoric than before. It's like the election never happened. Nice smooth transition. Four more years of Obama and four more years of the same noise with no action.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Way to misrepresent your own statistics! From your link above: No high School Diploma (3% of electorate) : 64% Obama / 35% Romney High School Graduate (21% of electorate) : 51% Obama / 48% Romney Some College/Assoc Degree (29% of electorate) : 49% Obama / 48% Romney College Graduate (29% of electorate) : 47% Obama / 51% Romney Postgraduate Study (18% of electorate) : 55% Obama / 42% Romney The only education cohort which Romney carried was the College Graduate (presumably 4-year degree) group.

29% of the electorate with College degrees went for Romney by 4 points.

Below that is the group of people whou could not finish college or got some sort of associate education. They only leaded Obama by 1 point

And people with only high school or some high school education (24% of the electorate) went for Obama BIG

In other words, the less education, the more they lean Obama. What is so hard to understand about that?

The Postgraduates, like the uneducated, don't actually work. They tend to be professors and theoriticians mostly. They don't actually work for a living and are themselves on a form of welfare being paid by universities to sit around and dream up **** .

quote Originally posted by PURPLE REIGN: Ooooops.....my bad, i guess i was wrong to stand up for the fellow hard working american & business man that works his ass off to support a family AND the lazy welfare & immigrants that voted tat lying socialist in!!!! Cliff can see it & spell it out an ocean away, why cant the rest of stupid america figure it out under thier nose!!!????

I'm sorry but did you have a point? Hard to see anything past the hatred of people not like you. There are black and Hispanic and female and gay business owners too. I fall square into your demographic, white business owner who works 75 hours a week. You don't speak for me.

quote Originally posted by mptighe: I'm sorry but did you have a point? Hard to see anything past the hatred of people not like you. There are black and Hispanic and female and gay business owners too. I fall square into your demographic, white business owner who works 75 hours a week. You don't speak for me.

You know that if you quit voting democrat you likely wouldn't have to work 75 hours a week to support the 47% of dead beats or otherwise known as "morons"?

quote Originally posted by mptighe: So now educators and teachers don't actually work? Yeah let's just do away with education and research completely. Does this make sense when you type it?

Deflection

The less educate you are, the more you lean Obama. Just stating the facts, sorry you don't want to hear it.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: The less educate you are, the more you lean Obama. Just stating the facts, sorry you don't want to hear it.

Too funny!

Who would've known that Todd was a Democrat!

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quote Originally posted by Toddster: 29% of the electorate with College degrees went for Romney by 4 points.

Forget the 47%. Toddster says it's 71% ... apparently anybody who's not just like him.

Gimme' a break! The Constitution does not impose an educational requirement for voting, and the Poll Tax and literacy tests have long since been declared unconstitutional by the U.S. Supreme Court.

quote The Postgraduates, like the uneducated, don't actually work. They tend to be professors and theoriticians mostly. They don't actually work for a living and are themselves on a form of welfare being paid by universities to sit around and dream up **** .

Yeah ... you mean like doctors, nurses, dentists, lawyers, CPAs, MBAs, engineers, scientists, mathematicians, educators? Don't you, yourself claim postgraduate study? Are you marginalizing yourself?

quote Originally posted by Toddster: The less educate [sic] you are, the more you lean Obama. Just stating the facts ...

In your original post you misrepresented the very Associated Press statistics you cited. This post confirms that the misrepresentation was intentional.

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Wow must be tough voting when illiterate.

quote Originally posted by Pyrthian: wow. truly disgusting tones of killing me & my family. PFF or not - folk like you ....... again, just hope it is the moment talking.

No ill against you or your family and despite the fact that I think your vote helped bring further harm to this nation, I'll still respect your rights. But for me, Your vote for this man and his party has 1 direction - further devaluation of the US dollar. Food, Fuel, and Energy prices are going to rise for us. if in fact all nations are facing economic crisis, fuel would be coming down in price because economic activity has an effect on transportation. You'd think fuel supplies would be too high at this point and prices would be lowered to encourage consumption (reduce inventory). But it is not, Supply levels are low and cost are high and there is only 1 reason for that, the dollar (due to currency manipulation) is weak .

Obama won re-election and it's going to cost us greatly.

Just like social security, this new national health care system will become an underfunded and mismanaged issue for swaying elections. Because of social security and medicare the elderly in this country are enslaved by fear that they may not have money or healthcare if they do not vote for democrats. No ill against you , but you have voted for a party that has painted anyone who doesn't vote democrat as the following :


- racist
- rapist
- anti-gay (homophobes)
- anti-women's rights
- anti-education
- anti-health
- want their parents and grandparent to go hungry and have no health care
- anti-environment


Let's be honest here, some people who are registered republican show up and say outrageous things and it gets reported that the republican party was behind it, Democrats in the US senate say outrageous things on the senate floor and republican are called extremist for daring to demand a minimal amount of decorum and respect for colleges.

Republicans (or those who happen to vote republican) on this forum call you guys out on issues expecting a real discussion about the logic, constitutionality, and historical metrics involved and all we get back is "you homophobic racists only want to rape the elderly, women, children and the environment" You guys talk to us like we are the rich you hate so much.

I will say this as kindly and as respectful as can be done using plain English.

People who voted for Obama ,

Some only care about themselves and could care less how it effects others. most people don't care what the rich do until you "appear" to be offering to take from the rich and give to them - I say "appear" because historical they took from the rich and gave the voter "nothing".

Some are simply siding with the only party offering them socialist style government - Ask Lawrence O'Donnell

quote "I live to the extreme left, the extreme left of you mere liberals," MSNBC host Lawrence O’Donnell told liberal Glenn Greenwald and the "Morning Joe" crew.

Some are simply following the family's "we always vote democrat" path

Some are simply ignorant of who either party is, it just wouldn't be fashionable to do otherwise.
(they vote to avoid a label by their peers or their own mind.)

I'm not delusional : we have some people on our side who vote out of ignorance or irresponsibly and lets be honest we both feel our idiots made the right choice when it benefits us. (Elections should be more informative and less able shameless name calling)

Republicans are not what the democrat make them out to be. Romney and Ryan had some real tax modifications that would have had the rich paying more. The Rich don't mind paying more in taxes "because they don't even when you raise them"

Here is a fact :
Democrats claim they want to make the rich pay their fair share . Assumes that if you taxed the rich 100% that the rich would cough up the dough (that is simply delusional)
Republicans : Claim that taxing the rich results in the loss of jobs, benefits, and pay(raises). No assumption, You want or need a gallon of milk and you will pay what you have to to get it at that point the store, transportation service, processing plant, and commercial dairy farm all pass that cost to you in the price.

Reality : a tax on the Rich becomes a tax at the store on the poorest and middle class.

I'm sorry to have to tell you this but if you think the leadership of the democratic party are interested in your rights or freedom, you are a fool (I did not use caps so i'm still speaking with respect for you - not vile or disgust) . If the democratic party had freedom and rights in mind they would not concern themselves with programs that provide less than basic level of means for people receiving assistance.

Democrats think republicans don't care. try this on for size. IF the government provided for every American at the level they provide for disability, social security or even welfare how well would you and I be living. If we had nothing, yes something would be better. But as it is, the only people doing well on a government social programs under the democrats, are the Public Employee Pension recipients.

It may feel good to win an election but honestly the only democrats winning is the party and Public Employees. The rest of us are just a means to an end.

I'm certain that my 2cents here will not change your mind. Congratulations on your election night success. Best wishes, despite my concerns for the direction this nation is going.....

Socialism is like a house and living expenses being shared equally with friends and family , resources are spread thin and it's only cost beneficial for those who are not able to contribute an equal amount of contribution. - Me

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Too funny! Who would've known that Todd was a Democrat!

If misspelling a word made you "uneducated" then we would all be riding the short bus here.

quote “Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” ― Albert Einstein

Brad

quote Originally posted by jmclemore: Because of ... medicare the elderly in this country are enslaved by fear that they may not have ... healthcare ....

Despite its inevitable shortcomings, you are aware, I hope, that prior to Medicare (i.e. prior to 1965) individual medical insurance was simply not available to anyone over 65 years of age at any cost. I hope you are also aware that besides paying Medicare payroll taxes their entire working lives, enrollees in any Medicare program other than Part A (which only covers in-patient hospital expenses) must pay a substantial monthly premium.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: If misspelling a word made you "uneducated" then we would all be riding the short bus here.

Brad, it's not just the misspelling of a word that I was bringing attention to, it was the juicy irony of Todd's elitist comment with that particular misspelled word which I quite enjoyed. Sorry you didn't find it as funny.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: The less educate you are, the more you lean Obama. Just stating the facts, sorry you don't want to hear it.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Despite its inevitable shortcomings, you are aware, I hope, that prior to Medicare (i.e. prior to 1965) individual medical insurance was simply not available to anyone over 65 years of age at any cost. I hope you are also aware that besides paying Medicare payroll taxes their entire working lives, enrollees in any Medicare program other than Part A (which only covers in-patient hospital expenses) must pay a substantial monthly premium.

I am , and this was not to argue necessity. It was to point out that excepting inadequacy as an alternative to nothing does not reach the level of security promised to our seniors. They are stranded in scarcity and treated with the prospects of less or none if they don't vote Democrat. I'm sorry but the words I want to use to describe this reaches to the level of Holocaust. Their reward is an impoverished existence until death. (it's wrong) and sadly any offer of an alternative is met with scare tactics to protect the norm.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Despite its inevitable shortcomings, you are aware, I hope, that prior to Medicare (i.e. prior to 1965) individual medical insurance was simply not available to anyone over 65 years of age at any cost.

So you are saying that for nearly 200 years people (gasp) had to take care of themselves?

Please, tell us what they did when they got sick....

(I already have an idea from my Grandfather telling me, but the rest of the class would like to hear this I'm sure.)

Brad

quote Originally posted by jmclemore: [Seniors] are stranded in scarcity and treated with the prospects of less or none if they don't vote Democrat.

Medicare treats all enrollees the same, regardless of how (or if) they vote. And it certainly isn't Democrats proposing fundamental changes to the program, which presents the Democrats with the perfect opportunity to characterize them as a change to "less or none." Until specific changes are proposed and discussed it's impossible to tell which interpretation is correct.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: Please, tell us what they did when they got sick....

Serious illness? Most of them paid what they could out of pocket until they had nothing left, appealed for charity, and then died in poverty.

Even today, medical expense is the biggest single cause of bankruptcy in the country. This Study from Harvard University in 2007 indicates that medical expenses are the primary cause of 62% of all personal bankruptcies. Another source still cites medical expenses as the most frequent cause of bankruptcy but puts the figure at only 42%:

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Serious illness? Most of them paid what they could out of pocket until they had nothing left, appealed for charity, and then died in poverty.

So the community didn't come together and help?
Banks didn't loan money to help?
Community "banks" set up for just such things didn't exist?
True, people did die in poverty, a not so secret secret is that people still do. But it wasn't the dark ages that you are making it out to be. Now the people that refused to do for themselves, and wanted to live off of the charity of others? They suffered as people wouldn't help people that wouldn't help themselves.

I realize you have a certain agenda to push here, and you are doing a great job of it, but if what you are saying was so great you wouldn't have to cherry pick your responses.

Brad

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: I realize you have a certain agenda to push here

I have no "agenda" to push, here or anywhere else, except perhaps my reverence for fact vs. opinion. I originally posted only to defend the well-documented facts of Medicare's history.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: I realize you have a certain agenda to push here...

Wow, with all the political zealots on this forum (and in this very thread) that this comment could've been addressed to, and you picked Marvin of all people. Unbelievable...

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: So the community didn't come together and help? Banks didn't loan money to help? Community "banks" set up for just such things didn't exist? True, people did die in poverty, a not so secret secret is that people still do. But it wasn't the dark ages that you are making it out to be. Now the people that refused to do for themselves, and wanted to live off of the charity of others? They suffered as people wouldn't help people that wouldn't help themselves. I realize you have a certain agenda to push here, and you are doing a great job of it, but if what you are saying was so great you wouldn't have to cherry pick your responses. Brad

You need to speak with your grandpa again. Banks don't make loans for medical bills, and dont consider seriously ill people on the verge of bankruptcy as a stable enough investment to make a personal loan. I've never really seen Marvin trying to proselytize for the Democratic party. I've seen him try to rationalize with people who appear to have a disconnect with how things have gone or are going. Kind of like his conversation with you right now. I'm sure he doesn't care about you seeing things his way as much as you think.

No doubt no one can be prepared for everything. Its not surprising medical is the "cause" of most bankruptcies. But people spend money on things everyday, I'm sure some are more prepared than others.

quote Originally posted by Toddster: Deflection The less educate you are, the more you lean Obama. Just stating the facts, sorry you don't want to hear it.

Out of all your staements you've made, I find VERY few "facts". Like you saying most educated people voted for Romney when the article you posted says otherwise. Like you saying the higher educated people (more than a 4 year degree) aren't really workers. I could go on and on, but it's not worth my time.

Todd, YOU are the reason "your" party keeps losing, you and people like you. I'm not a Democrat, and I didn't vote for Obama. Because of you and people like you within the Republican party, I would never consider joining that club. Your views are antiquated, and are resistant to the evolution of the human species. You'd rather see us de-evolve than for us to grow and change. This is fundamentally wrong in my eyes. Would I rather have a true option to vote for? You bet. However if I have to choose, I'm going to go with the side that scares me the least, and right now that wouldn't be the Republican party. Keep preaching brother, all you're doing is reaffirming that I need to stay away from your way of seeing things.

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Wow this thread has some PFF members showing their true colors, I know I will get even more " - " 's for posting in this thread but I don't give a $hit. If some of you see this Obama voting minority at the 30th how will you greet me? I'm black, collage educated, a labor friendly businessman , a loving father with two children with fully funded collage accounts, and a mid six figure income. The way SOME of you talk I would expect to see you running down to the Kmart white sheet sale. America's changing for better or worst get over it already , unless your Native American you can always go back to your home land.

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quote Originally posted by troyboy: Wow this thread has some PFF members showing there true colors, I know I will get even more " - " 's for posting in this thread but I don't give a $hit. If some of you see this Obama voting minority at the 30th how will you greet me? I'm black, collage educated, a labor friendly businessman , a loving father with two children with fully funded collage accounts, and a mid six figure income. The way SOME of you talk I would expect to see you running down to the Kmart white sheet sale. America's changing for better or worst get over it already , unless your Native American you can always go back to your home land.

What were your reasons for choosing Obama?

quote Originally posted by 2.5: What were your reasons for choosing Obama?

I have my own personal reasons as I'm sure some have their own personal reasons they didn't and I can respect that, why can't some of you.

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quote Originally posted by troyboy: I have my own personal reasons as I'm sure some have there own personal reasons they didn't and I can respect that, why can't some of you.

I don't need to know. But most of our reasons arent anything we cant talk about , or havent laid out in these many threads I suppose. You were fine stating much of your personal status, I was just curious. Since based on what most people here have said, and your response your reason for voting must not line up with their thinking. Might make a statement in your favor I would assume, prove a point.

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quote Originally posted by troyboy: Wow this thread has some PFF members showing there true colors, I know I will get even more " - " 's for posting in this thread but I don't give a $hit. If some of you see this Obama voting minority at the 30th how will you greet me? I'm black, collage educated, a labor friendly businessman , a loving father with two children with fully funded collage accounts, and a mid six figure income. The way SOME of you talk I would expect to see you running down to the Kmart white sheet sale. America's changing for better or worst get over it already , unless your Native American you can always go back to your home land.

I'm sure most people will be perfectly fine towards you.... to your face. What's said behind your back may be a different matter. To clarify I'm not saying all people here will be like this, but some have definitely shown their true colors here recently and I fully assume they'll act differently when you're out of hearing range.

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: I have no "agenda" to push, here or anywhere else, except perhaps my reverence for fact vs. opinion. I originally posted only to defend the well-documented facts of Medicare's history.

As I said before, you posted a few cherry picked facts. In what I saw as an effort for you to show that Government ran welfare was the "bees knees" you left out other facts that I felt were important. I posted what I felt was relevant information, and you posted what you felt was relevant.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Wow, with all the political zealots on this forum (and in this very thread) that this comment could've been addressed to, and you picked Marvin of all people. Unbelievable...

I didn't "pick Marvin" to pick on him. I saw someone that didn't post the "whole story", posted more clarification and asked him for more of his reasoning. I addressed the correct person for my post. I used no name calling, and made it a point to not personally attack anyone. I tried to remain respectful and not jump to too many conclusions and asked before I responded in case I had misunderstood.

Brad

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quote Originally posted by 2.5: I don't need to know. But most of our reasons arent anything we cant talk about , or havent laid out in these many threads I suppose. You were fine stating much of your personal status, I was just curious, since based on what most people here have said. Your reason for voting must not like up with thei thinking. Might make a statement in your favor I would assume, prove a point.

It might not have anything to do with his political affiliations. How many people here recently have made derrogatory remarks about these "other" demographics and have insinuated that they are lazy freeloaders who don't work for anything. I got the message loud and clear, so I imagine it was offensive to anyone who actually belongs to these groups by ethnicity, sexual preference, etc. I'm pissed about the slander that's been flying, and it's not even pointed at me.

quote Originally posted by mptighe: You need to speak with your grandpa again. Banks don't make loans for medical bills, and dont consider seriously ill people on the verge of bankruptcy as a stable enough investment to make a personal loan. I've never really seen Marvin trying to proselytize for the Democratic party. I've seen him try to rationalize with people who appear to have a disconnect with how things have gone or are going. Kind of like his conversation with you right now. I'm sure he doesn't care about you seeing things his way as much as you think.

I would need a medium at least as he has been gone for a few years.

When he was younger he did get a loan to pay medical bills. As did my father. Both of those loans came from a bank.
If someone was dying it wouldn't have happened of course, that is taking what I posted to the extreme.

I never said Marvin was "trying to proselytize for the Democratic party." I did say he had an agenda, and that agenda is in getting people to believe that they are better off with the Government taking care of them than themselves. I don't believe that to be true at all, and will argue against Government control of anything to my dying breath.

Just because I tend to come across as "snarky" or "pissy" in my posts, please don't take me that way. I am relaxed, and in a good mood, and I'm not (at least not trying to) personally attacking anyone. <---- There is a smiley to prove it. I know I have a problem with emotions, I try to choose the correct words all the time but I'm not always "right on". I respect Marvin, and his opinions, I just don't always agree with them.

I've had a great week off of work, I'm relaxed, got to spend time with my wife and everything is right in my world.

Brad

Edited to add: I have the utmost respect for almost everyone on this forum, and especially those who are willing to talk about things and not just "sling mud" such as it were. There are only two people on PFF who have lost my respect, and I do not respond to them, and have asked both to ignore me in order to keep the stress to a minimum.

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quote Originally posted by twofatguys: I used no name calling, and made it a point to not personally attack anyone. I tried to remain respectful and not jump to too many conclusions...

Brad, it doesn't require "name calling" to be derogatory.

And you jumped to a big "conclusion", completely erroneous, about Marvin.

quote Originally posted by twofatguys: I realize you have a certain agenda to push here...

quote Originally posted by mptighe: It might not have anything to do with his political affiliations. How many people here recently have made derrogatory remarks about these "other" demographics and have insinuated that they are lazy freeloaders who don't work for anything. I got the message loud and clear, so I imagine it was offensive to anyone who actually belongs to these groups by ethnicity, sexual preference, etc. I'm pissed about the slander that's been flying, and it's not even pointed at me.

A "+" for you.

quote Originally posted by Patrick: Brad, it doesn't require "name calling" to be derogatory. And you jumped to a big "conclusion", completely erroneous, about Marvin. [QUOTE]Originally posted by twofatguys: I realize you have a certain agenda to push here...

I wasn't aiming to be derogatory, just aiming to add a few more facts to the post. Anything can be taken the wrong way, and to assume I am being derogatory because I don't agree with someone is wrong as well.

So I have this clear, he just made the statement about Medicare in an off hand manner, and didn't want anyone to take anything from it?

In my opinion he posted it to get a certain response, which is known only to him. (Anything else is just guessing on my part.) That's what an agenda is.

Brad

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quote Originally posted by twofatguys: As I said before, you posted a few cherry picked facts. In what I saw as an effort for you to show that Government ran welfare was the "bees knees" you left out other facts that I felt were important. I posted what I felt was relevant information, and you posted what you felt was relevant.

Here is what I posted, unaltered, in its entirety, in reply to someone else:

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Despite its inevitable shortcomings, you are aware, I hope, that prior to Medicare (i.e. prior to 1965) individual medical insurance was simply not available to anyone over 65 years of age at any cost. I hope you are also aware that besides paying Medicare payroll taxes their entire working lives, enrollees in any Medicare program other than Part A (which only covers in-patient hospital expenses) must pay a substantial monthly premium.

Editing for clarity:

quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: ... prior to Medicare (i.e. prior to 1965) individual medical insurance was simply not available to anyone over 65 years of age at any cost. ... ... besides paying Medicare payroll taxes their entire working lives, enrollees in any Medicare program other than Part A (which only covers in-patient hospital expenses) must pay a substantial monthly premium.

I see no agenda there. If there is a factual error, point it out and we can discuss it. If not, then the error is wholly in your perception.

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quote Originally posted by mptighe: I'm sure most people will be perfectly fine towards you.... to your face. What's said behind your back may be a different matter. To clarify I'm not saying all people here will be like this, but some have definitely shown their true colors here recently and I fully assume they'll act differently when you're out of hearing range.

Politics or not, this is just generally true all the way around the horn