I'm parked at a church parking lot right now. I can't seemed to get myself to say a prayer or to believe. No vibes are being felt by the church.
I guess I'll go over to Wendy's and get a vanilla frosty.
Keep the prayers coming. I came close to the Lord's house but can't get myself to enter through the doors.
This is all good! No vibes being felt? Not a problem! You're not supposed to! The "church" that you speak of is a building. Nothing more. "Church" can also mean the entire group of Christian followers. As in the PEOPLE. You shouldn't expect to feel any "vibes" from them either.
The power is in the words. Spoken and heard words. That's why I asked you to read the scriptures out loud. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
The Bible tells us that faith comes from HEARING the word of God. Understanding and growth come from reading (studying) the Bible.
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Genesis 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
Genesis 1:9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
It is very clear that God created the world by speaking it into existance. He expects to HEAR our prayers. The Power is in the spoken words.
If you want to sample a sermon without entering the church building, try this site. This is the church that I belong to. Click on Sermons then Archived Services. The ones by Vic Young are always very good.
To understand how your actions impact me, you have to believe in other "beings"... "gods"... or the absent of such things.
Also, when did I say that all humanity be prayed for? Maybe it was someone else.
I'm calling BS on this. I can admit when I flew off the handle or shot from the hip. There's no shame in it. You might try it.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Why do people believe they have the right to pray for others? As if someone has power over someone else's soul? Also, why single out a few individuals, why not pray for humanity in general?
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This is what I am saying.... why does someone find the need to pray for someone else? What is the point? If someone doesn't believe in Christianity, why would having someone pray to God help them? Why does someone say "I will pray for you"? I believe it is to make them feel better, as if they are doing something helpful. It isn't necessarily a bad thing, as people need to find comfort in their actions. The person saying "I will pray for you" is comforted by this and maybe they feel better by telling the person. But in reality, the receiving person doesn't benefit (if they don't believe in the same religion).
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Originally posted by Boostdreamer: I believe that you can pray for someone's heart to be softened to the message of Jesus. Then it is up to the individual and his maker.
About humanity, I was asking a question of why you are focused on one person. It wasn't about praying for everyone else, it was just an example. How about instead of praying for one person, why not pray for all the sick children, or starving people... (geez, there sure are a large number of suffering people on this planet... odd).
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I believe that you can pray for someone's heart to be softened to the message of Jesus. Then it is up to the individual and his maker.
Basically, you are praying that God forces the idea into this person Why not just pray that this person just finds peace and comfort within their own beliefs?
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: About humanity, I was asking a question of why you are focused on one person. It wasn't about praying for everyone else, it was just an example. How about instead of praying for one person, why not pray for all the sick children, or starving people... (geez, there sure are a large number of suffering people on this planet... odd).
Call me crazy but it still sounds like you are suggesting that I pray for more than the individual who has approved me to do so even though you claim that it is an infringement of basic rights for prayers to be said for those who do not welcome them. ...Even more odd.
Originally posted by jaskispyder: Basically, you are praying that God forces the idea into this person Why not just pray that this person just finds peace and comfort within their own beliefs?
Not even close. Where do you come up with this stuff? Please go back through the thread from the beginning and start over. This stuff has been covered. If you still don't get it, I'll try again.
Because converting someone to your ideology is a power trip.
I wouldn't know. I've never converted anyone. If we're still on the conversation of faith, I believe that the individual makes that pact with God. I can't save you and you can't save me. All I can do is do my best to explain what I have been taught and believe.
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Reality is a cool dog's name! Maybe you can take it to obedience school and teach it when it makes rude comments about an exchange between two people, it is being a bad dog.
That aside, if you have a question about my faith, I'd be happy to try to answer it.
Not even close. Where do you come up with this stuff? Please go back through the thread from the beginning and start over. This stuff has been covered. If you still don't get it, I'll try again.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Do you acknowledge other gods (equal to God)?
DUDE!! Are you serious?! From page 4 in a response to YOU! These discussions would progress much smoother if you would read the answers to your questions.
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Originally posted by Boostdreamer: If I am a member of the Christian faith, and I truely believe its teachings, then I don't believe in the possiblity of any other religions being true. Because I AM of the Christian faith, I DO NOT believe other religions are possible.
I do not want to falsly comfort someone by assuring them that their way is as good as any other. That is not what I believe.
DUDE!! Are you serious?! From page 4 in a response to YOU! These discussions would progress much smoother if you would read the answers to your questions.
Oh, I know the answer... I am just using it to prove my point. You lack of acknowledgment of other gods limits your ability to understand the ramifications of your praying for others (who do not share your religion). You don't see anything wrong with praying for others, because all other gods are false gods (correct?). Oh wait... don't answer it, as it is the same answer as before...
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If I am a member of the Christian faith, and I truely believe its teachings, then I don't believe in the possiblity of any other religions being true. Because I AM of the Christian faith, I DO NOT believe other religions are possible.
I do not want to falsly comfort someone by assuring them that their way is as good as any other. That is not what I believe.
I want to say so many things regarding this statement but (after having had a glass of wine with my Osso Buco tonight) I better restrain myself...
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Oh, I know the answer... I am just using it to prove my point. You lack of acknowledgment of other gods limits your ability to understand the ramifications of your praying for others (who do not share your religion). You don't see anything wrong with praying for others, because all other gods are false gods (correct?). Oh wait... don't answer it, as it is the same answer as before...
All I can advise you of tonight is to let someone else drive you home. You're in no shape. You made a claim about your personal experience, you cannot cite a single example, and you blame ME for not being able to understand. If you don't supply me with something to attempt to understand, how do you expect me to understand it?
My question to you, and I THINK it is an easy one. Let's see how this plays out... Are you a democrat?
Originally posted by yellowstone: I want to say so many things regarding this statement but (after having had a glass of wine with my Osso Buco tonight) I better restrain myself...
I don't think anyone has any doubt about your disposition toward Christians. No further explanation is necessary.
Originally posted by Boostdreamer: All I can advise you of tonight is to let someone else drive you home. You're in no shape. You made a claim about your personal experience, you cannot cite a single example, and you blame ME for not being able to understand. If you don't supply me with something to attempt to understand, how do you expect me to understand it?
If "you" don't believe the earth is round, "you" will never believe the guy who sails around it.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: I am not sure what this has to do with anything, but nope. Religion and politics together? hmm, what's next?
I'm very surprised.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: If "you" don't believe the earth is round, "you" will never believe the guy who sails around it.
Don't presume to assume what I have the capacity to believe or process. You said your rights have been infringed upon yet you don't know when, where, or how. I hope your hypothetical sailor has a better plan to prove his voyage than your plan to prove your damaged rights. If he has no log book, charts, stories, samples, pictures, etc. he will have to understand that great claims require great proof - unless you just happen to have "faith" in him.
Matthew 7:6 - Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
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Matthew 7:6 - Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.
Oh, I've been thinking it a lot, I just didn't want to say it.
If I am a member of the Christian faith, and I truely believe its teachings, then I don't believe in the possiblity of any other religions being true. Because I AM of the Christian faith, I DO NOT believe other religions are possible.
Others believe the same about your god. What makes them any more misguided than you? With no proof of anything they are all just as wrong as yours. And i think you mean you don't believe other gods are possible, not religions. You may not agree with them, but other religions exist, just look around you.
No, not at all. I have nothing against Christians in particular - it's the belief in all things supernatural that bothers (and often frightens) me.
As long as they stay off my doorstep and don't try go involve me with their belief, i agree. That is one of the reasons i dislike the witnesses, they come uninvited onto MY private property with their nonsense trying to convert me to their way of thinking.. ( A friend of mine solved that problem however, she invited them in, and showed them into the living room. Shes a wiccan witch. She mentioned the bowl on the table was where they sacrifice babies. They have not been back since )
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Originally posted by yellowstone: No, not at all. I have nothing against Christians in particular - it's the belief in all things supernatural that bothers (and often frightens) me.
Others believe the same about your god. What makes them any more misguided than you? With no proof of anything they are all just as wrong as yours. And i think you mean you don't believe other gods are possible, not religions. You may not agree with them, but other religions exist, just look around you.
I am not bothered by what others believe about my God. Yes, other religions exist but I do not agree with them. No, I don't believe in multiple "gods". I believe there is only one God and that He is the one who sent Jesus.
Lack of proof for any religion or god (or anything else) does not confirm their non-existance. Therefore I disagree with your statement that all are just as wrong as mine. I don't believe that multiple religions can be equally correct. I believe only one can be correct. All others are distractions. I believe the one and only one that is correct is Christianity.
Why not just pray that this person just finds peace and comfort within their own beliefs?
