Thank you, texas. I will respond later when I'm away from work and have more time. Though we've never met, I have much respect for you..........and your comedic timing ( in other threads ) .
Sometimes.....comedy is the ONLY reasonable response.
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Boondawg Member
Posts: 38235 From: Displaced Alaskan Registered: Jun 2003
I can tell you why your getting negs, it's because a lot of people disagree with you and unfortunatly people use the rating system to express that.
Yes, but I found a way to make that null & void; Never negative rate anyone. That way, you're not part of this problem of "scarlet lettering" someone simply because you don't like what they have to say, despite the fact that you pretend to actually support free speech other then that which you agree with... It's a dangerous road.
Judging others starts to get good to you, and before you know it gets real easy, real fast. After awhile, as you peer down from your righteousness-on-high, you may come to realize that it's all been a drug, just like any other drug. And you've just been getting high on manufactured superiority.
When in fact everything really is just ashes to ashes, & dust to dust. All the same.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
There is a way to communicate without sounding like a jackass.
I just thought I'd let you know that, in case you forgot.
Thanks. But please explain how my statement is different from stating a belief in a deity? Just because I don't go to a house of worship to express my belief and because other people generally don't share my belief, why shouldn't my belief in Ford be the only true way to salvation? Why is it any more improbable and/or ridiculous?
Thanks. But please explain how my statement is different from stating a belief in a deity? Just because I don't go to a house of worship to express my belief and because other people generally don't share my belief, why shouldn't my belief in Ford be the only true way to salvation? Why is it any more improbable and/or ridiculous?
Thanks. But please explain how my statement is different from stating a belief in a deity? Just because I don't go to a house of worship to express my belief and because other people generally don't share my belief, why shouldn't my belief in Ford be the only true way to salvation? Why is it any more improbable and/or ridiculous?
The biggest difference IMO is that I believe you're lying. If you suddenly professed to believe in Jesus, Buddah or any other mainstream deity out of the blue, I'd also think you were lying. You've spent too much time going out of your way to demonstrate that you don't believe life is anything more than a way to keep meat fresh.
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Posts: 4442 From: Centralia,Missouri. USA Registered: Sep 2003
The biggest difference IMO is that I believe you're lying. If you suddenly professed to believe in Jesus, Buddah or any other mainstream deity out of the blue, I'd also think you were lying. You've spent too much time going out of your way to demonstrate that you don't believe life is anything more than a way to keep meat fresh.
FWIW, I believe him...as much as I believe anybody else in this thread anyway.
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yellowstone Member
Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
The biggest difference IMO is that I believe you're lying. If you suddenly professed to believe in Jesus, Buddah or any other mainstream deity out of the blue, I'd also think you were lying. You've spent too much time going out of your way to demonstrate that you don't believe life is anything more than a way to keep meat fresh.
So this is impossible and you wouldn't believe it....
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Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
Because you, them, and I know that you're mocking the belief of something the majority of humans believe in.
So if there were more (how many?) people that shared my belief or if Fordism had a longer history (would less than 200 years like the Mormons be enough?), then it would be good enough to qualify?
So if there were more (how many?) people that shared my belief or if Fordism had a longer history (would less than 200 years like the Mormons be enough?), then it would be good enough to qualify?
It has nothing to do with time or popularity. It has to do with the assumption that you are lying about believing in Ford as a higher being that you talk to once in awhile. I stand with what Formula88 said. It is not that you chose a very unpopular thing, it's that you chose anything abruptly and it's the words that you used when describing that belief.
I know you understand what I'm talking about. You aren't stupid, and neither am I. So either you can take what I said and choose to quit mocking a majority of the world that believes in a higher entity, or you can choose to ignore me. I don't really care either way on that. But don't insult my intelligence by twisting what I'm saying and hoping to catch me tripping.
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Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
It has nothing to do with time or popularity. It has to do with the assumption that you are lying about believing in Ford as a higher being that you talk to once in awhile. I stand with what Formula88 said. It is not that you chose a very unpopular thing, it's that you chose anything abruptly and it's the words that you used when describing that belief.
I know you understand what I'm talking about. You aren't stupid, and neither am I. So either you can take what I said and choose to quit mocking a majority of the world that believes in a higher entity, or you can choose to ignore me. I don't really care either way on that. But don't insult my intelligence by twisting what I'm saying and hoping to catch me tripping.
You're right and I'm sorry. Seriously. Thanks for the nice exchange of PM's.
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Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
Originally posted by yellowstone: You're right and I'm sorry. Seriously. Thanks for the nice exchange of PM's.
Yellostone, you seem to be pretty reasonable and you can admit when you may have crossed a line. Would you mind looking at my little logic test and tell me if my conclusion is logical and true?
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Originally posted by Boostdreamer: If I make the statements:
All pencils are yellow. All pencils are blue. All pencils are green. All pencils are different colors. Some pencils share the same color.
Without assuming anything not stated we cannot CONFIRM any of the statements. What we do know is that if ANY of them are true, only one of them can be true. Agree or disagree? Why?
I have asked forum member Wichita if he would give me permission to pray for him. I also asked for permission to change my signature to include a request for prayer for him. I have asked his permission to start this thread and to ask each of you to pray for his salvation and to add his name to your personal prayer lists as well as your church prayer lists. I wil also be PM'ing him some scriptures from time to time.
Why am I doing this and how did this get started? Very simply because he is one of the most "vocal" members here who takes the stance that there is no God. He also states that prayer has no effect. I hope for his perception of these topics to change drastically. Because he is so opinionated, I believe that if he gives his life to Jesus, he will have a wonderful impact on everyone he comes in contact with. Lord knows you just can't shut him up!!
So, what can you do to help? 1. Join me in remembering him in your prayers by asking that he find Jesus. 2. Contact your church and add him to the prayer list. 3. If you have a favorite scripture that you'd like for him to read, PLEASE PM IT TO ME so that I can forward it to him. 4. Please use this thread to offer encouragement to Wichita. Let him know that he is on your mind and you care about him. Share something that God has done for you. Be positive.
As this thread gets bumped, please let it be a reminder to pray for him. You won't even have to open it to do that. If you have time, I hope that if you do read the messages posted here, you will be blessed by them.
That's a very thoughtful and courageous request to make anywhere now days and I admire you for it and will send up a prayer on his behalf.
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Boostdreamer Member
Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
Originally posted by Joseph Upson: That's a very thoughtful and courageous request to make anywhere now days and I admire you for it and will send up a prayer on his behalf.
The Pentagon says that they will court martial for soldiers for religious proselytization.
Since it is a tenet of Christianity to spread the faith, how does a Christian handle this restriction of their faith if they are members of the military?
The Pentagon says that they will court martial for soldiers for religious proselytization.
Since it is a tenet of Christianity to spread the faith, how does a Christian handle this restriction of their faith if they are members of the military?
Military personnel aren't afforded the same rights as civilians. When you enlist you essentially sign away your "rights" in favor of the UCMJ. SO basically they're SOL. Tough crap, so to speak.
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Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
Originally posted by Taijiguy: Military personnel aren't afforded the same rights as civilians. When you enlist you essentially sign away your "rights" in favor of the UCMJ. SO basically they're SOL. Tough crap, so to speak.
While in Basic Training and AIT, going to Sunday church services was about the only way to get away from Army stuff. It was a welcome break. I hope they don't take that away from current and future soldiers.
The Pentagon says that they will court martial for soldiers for religious proselytization.
Since it is a tenet of Christianity to spread the faith, how does a Christian handle this restriction of their faith if they are members of the military?
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven. Ecclesiastes 3:1
Military personnel aren't afforded the same rights as civilians. When you enlist you essentially sign away your "rights" in favor of the UCMJ. SO basically they're SOL. Tough crap, so to speak.
And there is no room for religion in the military. They have a job to do.
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Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
Other verses would indicate your life can still be an example.
1 Peter 2:12 Keep your conduct among unbelievers honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation.
1 Timothy 4:12 Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.
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Wichita Member
Posts: 20687 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
Other verses would indicate your life can still be an example.
1 Peter 2:12 Keep your conduct among unbelievers honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation.
1 Timothy 4:12 Let no one despise you for your youth, but set the believers an example in speech, in conduct, in love, in faith, in purity.
What if one has an opinion that those who say they follow and are example of the Christian ways are condescending in speech, crass is conduct, selfish in love, hypocritical in faith, and exemplify no purity. What if one believes Christians are evil. What then?
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Posts: 9299 From: Düsseldorf/Germany Registered: Jun 2003
What if one has an opinion that those who say they follow and are example of the Christian ways are condescending in speech, crass is conduct, selfish in love, hypocritical in faith, and exemplify no purity. What if one believes Christians are evil. What then?
Reminds me of the famous Gandhi quote:
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texasfiero Member
Posts: 4674 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: Jun 2003
What if one has an opinion that those who say they follow and are example of the Christian ways are condescending in speech, crass is conduct, selfish in love, hypocritical in faith, and exemplify no purity. What if one believes Christians are evil. What then?
Base your opinion by judging them in His light, rather than judging Him in their light. "We have ALL sinned....."
Additionally, when I'm called for accounting, I'll only be accountable for my reaction to God's word.
Pilate asked the most important question in all of history. Matt. 27:22 Pilate said to them, “Then what shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” They all said, “Let him be crucified!” 23 And he said, “Why, what evil has he done?” But they shouted all the more, “Let him be crucified!”
EACH of us must answer that question, without regard for how those around us live their lives.
Did I accept His perfect gift for forgiveness and live accordingly. Did I husband my family and lead my children to Jesus as Savior? Did I exhibit the traits of Jesus' example?
We won't be judged for their failings.
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Wichita Member
Posts: 20687 From: Wichita, Kansas Registered: Jun 2002
Base your opinion by judging them in His light, rather than judging Him in their light. "We have ALL sinned....."
Additionally, when I'm called for accounting, I'll only be accountable for my reaction to God's word.
Pilate asked the most important question in all of history. Matt. 27:22 Pilate said to them, “Then what shall I do with Jesus who is called Christ?” They all said, “Let him be crucified!” 23 And he said, “Why, what evil has he done?” But they shouted all the more, “Let him be crucified!”
EACH of us must answer that question, without regard for how those around us live their lives.
Did I accept His perfect gift for forgiveness and live accordingly. Did I husband my family and lead my children to Jesus as Savior? Did I exhibit the traits of Jesus' example?
We won't be judged for their failings.
To be honest. I have know idea what you are saying. Can you clarify?
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texasfiero Member
Posts: 4674 From: Houston, TX USA Registered: Jun 2003
To be honest. I have know idea what you are saying. Can you clarify?
Judging from the things you've said, your opinion of Christians and their beliefs is pretty low. If we only look at the lives of some, it is understandable.
However, there are many Christians who live exemplary lives, sharing the Gospel, and doing their best to live by it. You see their work around the world, helping the needy without regard for race, living conditions, health conditions, and even without regard for their very lives, and yet they still go and serve. They are living examples of what Jesus taught. Judging them by the same standards as those who have failed or disobeyed their calling isn't just.
I simply ask that you, and others who exhibit such hatred for Christians, examine the example that Jesus set. Examine his life, and then judge those people in that light.
Don't reject the Gospel message, to your own peril, based upon what they do. You, nor I, will be held to account for their wrong doing. That judgment will fall upon them.
What will YOU do with this man called Jesus? Are you rejecting Him based upon the failures of those who claim to be followers? You are only responsible for YOUR own decision and how YOU live your life.
You've said you have extensive knowledge of the Bible and have experienced 'church'. Have you turned from God, blaming others for your decision?
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NoMoreRicers Member
Posts: 2192 From: Spokane, WA Registered: Mar 2009
Originally posted by User00013170: And there is no room for religion in the military. They have a job to do.
I was a full time soldier for four years including participation in Desert Storm with the Big Red One. There was plenty of room for religion. In fact several of my platoon members became conscientious objectors. They didn't get in trouble for it and nobody gave them any crap about it. Our mission was executed without a problem.
Originally posted by User00013170: And there is no room for religion in the military. They have a job to do.
As a former US Army soldier, I can say with confidence that your statement is false. Every major military base (at least every one I've been to) will have at least one house of worship, staffed by military chaplains. Yes, the military has clergymen on their payroll.
