Just for some clarification the speedo gear on these will need to be swapped also while the cases are split, and you'll have to add a gear or something inside to drive the fiero's speedo gear, otherwise your speedo wont work either.

your best option is to see how many of the v6 models with the hydrolic throw out bearing they have.

the quad4 transmissions are best left for quad4 car's otherwise its a pain in the rear to swap.

matthew

My view of the 3.94 gear set in the Getrags. My 88 Mera was originally an automatic. I bought the parts to convert it to a Getrag 5 speed. Along the way (since Bob Parker decided to send me a totally junk Fiero Getrag) I found out about the 3.94 gears for the Getrag. I bought them from Manta Part. I also bought a FWD Getrag and developed the FWD conversion kit parts. When I installed this 3.94 Getrag into my 88 Mera I had the stock 2.8. The lower gears were better with just the stock 2.8. A year later I installed the Stage II turbo from Design One. After the horse power boost I wish I had the 3.61 gears again. I'll never change back. Too much work. The more HP you have the lower the gear ratio you need. The 3.94 is OK for a high revving Quad 4 or the stock 2.8. Anything with more HP needs the 3.61 gear.

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: Jeff, Have you got any idea what the story is on the rebuilt V6 box?

It's a 94 Beretta 3.1 gearbox, 3.61FDR, hydraulic t.o. I'll see if I can get it thrown in somehow and let you guys bid on it.

II'm interested for sure.

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So that's

88formulaman - 1
Kennn - ?
Datsun1973 - 1 (+ the rebuilt V-6 or only the rebuilt V-6?)
ccfiero350 - 1

I have a local fiero owner who wants - 2
and another from this board who wants - 2
and for me - 1

Hopefully I can get them a little cheaper... I'll try my best.

I also forgot to mention, these units will ship Fedex ground for about 50.00/ea. or you can pick them up in atlanta.

quote Originally posted by typhoon: IMHO people that say this have never driven a V8 Fiero....The Getrag works fantastic with a V8.

Malarky. If you never drive it hard, it works great. You don't have to touch the gas to get rolling.
When you get on it hard, 1st lasts just long enough for the guy you're racing to say "HOLY $H!+", and then you drop 41% of your RPM going to 2nd. It sucks.

quote Originally posted by Will: Malarky. If you never drive it hard, it works great. You don't have to touch the gas to get rolling. When you get on it hard, 1st lasts just long enough for the guy you're racing to say "HOLY $H!+", and then you drop 41% of your RPM going to 2nd. It sucks.

2nd gear starts are possible with the 3.94, 0-60 with no shift (with a 26" tire and 6000rpm). LOL!

SO put the darn 3.61's in it... it's still a brand-spanking new Getrag. New bearings, new gears, new synchros, new shafts, bigger stronger differential... for about the same as a rebuilt 150K mile unit with worn gears and synchros that's been shifted 500,000 times or more and beat on by who knows who.

I'd want the rebuilt or the new box, not both. Also, I'd definately need the CD's with the bellhousing swap info. Does anyone know if the shims are readily available and the tools to set the diff preload?

Deal is done. The final price was $700/ea. I'm asking for an extra $50.00 per unit for putting this deal together for everyone, so the total is $750.00 + shipping.

All you guys who spoke up for one or more, it's time to pay for it. I don't have the cash to front a deal this large.

I can take a credit card by phone (preferred method). You will be emailed a commercial invoice for the purchase. Once I have the units here and get one weighed, I will provide each of you a final shipping price based on your zip code. I will be sending them Fedex Ground, 3-5 day.

If you don't have a cc, you can fund a Paypal payment using your bank acct and send it to tech@engineered.net. I will send a Paypal money request. I will add $22.50 to cover the 3% Paypal fees charged to me as a commercial user.

If you spoke up for one, please don't back out b/c you'll have all the other guys pissed off. The price was for the number of units in the deal. If anyone backs out, the price could go up.

AnimalGT, 88formulaman, Datsun73, ccFiero350 please call me at 770-528-3882 as soon as possible. Thanks!

Kennn and TrennT did you decide?

quote Originally posted by pontiacjeff: 2nd gear starts are possible with the 3.94, 0-60 with no shift (with a 26" tire and 6000rpm). LOL! SO put the darn 3.61's in it... it's still a brand-spanking new Getrag. New bearings, new gears, new synchros, new shafts, bigger stronger differential... for about the same as a rebuilt 150K mile unit with worn gears and synchros that's been shifted 500,000 times or more and beat on by who knows who.

I know that 2nd gear starts are possible. I don't think anything this side of 400 ftlbs at 1000 RPM is going to be fast out of the hole with that setup.

SOMETHING is off in your math because 6000 RPM with that combo only gets you to 58 mph.
A trip to Deal's Gap should convince you that 2nd gear can indeed be too tall.

It's great that you found them. It's nice of your to procure them for everyone. I just think you ought to represent them using examples of things people will actually do. the 1.03 4th is great. The 3.94 final is great. There's really no excuse to be made and nothing great about the 1st and 2nd ratios in these boxes.

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quote Originally posted by Will: I know that 2nd gear starts are possible. I don't think anything this side of 400 ftlbs at 1000 RPM is going to be fast out of the hole with that setup.

What Fiero V-8 couldn't handle a 3000rpm clutch dump in 2nd gear? I can do it in my 3.61-geared Grand Am 2.0 turbo and it doesn't even reach full boost til 4200rpm AND it weighs 3100# with me in it...

quote SOMETHING is off in your math because 6000 RPM with that combo only gets you to 58 mph.

And by the time you get the clutch pedal to the floor, you'll be doing 62-63mph...

quote A trip to Deal's Gap should convince you that 2nd gear can indeed be too tall.

Don't know where that is. The 3.94 makes 2nd gear shorter, so that must be a good thing.

quote It's great that you found them. It's nice of your to procure them for everyone. I just think you ought to represent them using examples of things people will actually do.

In my earliest posts, I was very up front about what needs to be done to make these work in the Fiero. Everyone here is a big boy who can make up his mind about what is best for his application.

quote the 1.03 4th is great. The 3.94 final is great. There's really no excuse to be made and nothing great about the 1st and 2nd ratios in these boxes.

What can you do about 1st and 2nd? Nothing 'cept have a new input shaft and 1st cluster gear manufactured. And use the 2.19 2nd out of the even-more-hard-to-find 2.0 Turbo Getrag. Remember, we are working with transmissions that were not intended to go behind 400+hp turbo 4's, S/C V-6's, and V-8's. You gotta deal with what you got to deal with! And make the best of it. I think, and so do alot of others, that the 3.94 is the way to go.

Thanks to all for the input and recommendations. I hope to hear back from everyone soon so this deal doesn't go away.

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It's finally gotten cold here and I've been up to my elboe's in bondo. It's nice to work with when it does'nt kick a minute and half after mix it.

I'll give you a buzz after supper and take care of business. Thanks for all your efforts.

Since I'll be splitting the case and swapping some parts, is there a possiblity to swap alternative gears to lower the gap between 1st and 2nd?

Thanks again.

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quote Originally posted by ccfiero350: It's finally gotten cold here and I've been up to my elboe's in bondo. It's nice to work with when it does'nt kick a minute and half after mix it. I'll give you a buzz after supper and take care of business. Thanks for all your efforts. Since I'll be splitting the case and swapping some parts, is there a possiblity to swap alternative gears to lower the gap between 1st and 2nd? Thanks again.

(...whew)

Call the number in the email I sent you. 770-xxx-xxxx

You can use the 2.19 2nd if you can find one. I have the p.n.'s. I haven't tried to find them yet. I have a 2.0 unit myself and plan to pull the 2nd gears out of it and put them in the new transmission.

Jeff, I'll be calling you tomorrow sometime. I got your email too.

Thanks
Andy

I have two transmissions left from the 10 I bought. They are 750.00/ea. + shipping. Contact info below. Visa/MC accepted. Call to order. 770-528-3882. Jeff.

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Is the V6 tranny spoken for?

Will the old style Getrag bellhousing half work with the newer style Getrag? I know the differential is different.

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: Is the V6 tranny spoken for? Will the old style Getrag bellhousing half work with the newer style Getrag? I know the differential is different.

The rebuilt V-6 was not part of the deal. I can ask how much they want for it and let you know. The bellhousings interchange from 86-1/2 to 94 Getrag (aka Muncie/NV) gearboxes.

Please check on it if you don't mind.
I'm local and can come up and get it, if the price is workable.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: Please check on it if you don't mind. I'm local and can come up and get it, if the price is workable.

Keep in mind, this one is a 93-94 hydraulic throwout bearing-style V-6 bellhousing. You will still need to change bellhousings or hydraulics.

quote Originally posted by pontiacjeff: Keep in mind, this one is a 93-94 hydraulic throwout bearing-style V-6 bellhousing. You will still need to change bellhousings or hydraulics.

I recognize that. Shouldn't be too much of a problem. (Foolhardy? Me?)
Thanks.

Bumpity?

I will have shipping costs for everyone today (monday) and try to get them all on the road by Friday.

If it's not worth your trouble to mess with the V6 tranny, will you tell me tha name of the place and let me talk with him?

quote Originally posted by Raydar: If it's not worth your trouble to mess with the V6 tranny, will you tell me tha name of the place and let me talk with him?

They are searching for a couple V-6 bellhousings for me over the weekend. I don't want to bug the crap out of them. When they call me back on those, I will ask about the transmission for you. My guess would be probably around the same price as the new ones, seeing as they rebuilt it and have parts and labor in it (unlike the new ones which they bought in a huge old stock buy-out).

Got it. Thanks!

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Edited.

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quote Originally posted by Raydar: Hmmm... I guess my money isn't as good as anyone else's.

Dude, all I can do is ask him repeatedly. I called him as recently as Monday. I talked to him last week twice. The owner is never there and the manager is obviously not willing to put a price on it. It took me nearly a month to put the other deal together. Be patient. I will call him again today.

quote Originally posted by pontiacjeff: Dude, all I can do is ask him repeatedly. I called him as recently as Monday. I talked to him last week twice. The owner is never there and the manager is obviously not willing to put a price on it. It took me nearly a month to put the other deal together. Be patient. I will call him again today.

Sorry for the 'tude, Jeff.
I had worked all night and came in "grumpy". If he doesn't want to mess with it, don't sweat it.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: Sorry for the 'tude, Jeff. I had worked all night and came in "grumpy". If he doesn't want to mess with it, don't sweat it.

$850.00 for the r/b V-6 unit. Yah, I know, more than the new one, but they have money in it, unlike the new ones, which they bought in a lot.

quote Originally posted by pontiacjeff: $850.00 for the r/b V-6 unit. Yah, I know, more than the new one, but they have money in it, unlike the new ones, which they bought in a lot.

Thanks for the info. Let me think about that one for a bit.
I'm guessing that he's not chomping at the bit to be rid of it. Correct?

Since they rebuilt it, will they warranty it? (Sorry... Hadda ask.)

bump

ttt

Hi Jeff

Any luck with the bell housings?

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