quote Originally posted by ckfiero: The last post contradicts that and implies you feel it doesnt matter if it was on the track or not for value? Which one is it? Is this a run-of-the-mill $2-3k indy fiero needing work with over 100k miles, or is it the highly valuable for having been on the track during the parade variety for the collector? I think perhaps the thread is so long, and so old, that people aren't sure what the car is being represented as anymore???? I first read it seeing how I am contemplating an indy myself, although this car has more mileage than I was looking for and wouldnt fit my personal needs, there may be others who could have more interest... depending on knowing exactly what you are representing this car as being, and the price point it should be at.

It was a parade lap car at the Indy 500. It's documented (without that it's just another Indy). IMO that makes it worth a lot more (there are some collectors that only buy those). IF it's the LAST documented one (of which I've doubted but have not heard from anyone else to verify) then it's worth a LOT more than any other Indy. I will say that some others have said they saw one that the guy said he had documentaiion, & I wouldn't be surprised to find that's true... but I have yet to actually hear from the owners. (I have the thread here asking).
Having said that I doubt it will bring enough at this time to talk me into selling it. I will at some time in the future detail it out, & may sell it then.
I've been restoring & building custom cars for 40 years. I've seen a LOT of collector cars over the years.

Edit to add: I'm REALLY surprised that the Indys don't bring more than they do. Most limited production cars - with only 2000 built - bring a LOT more. And these are VERY cool, sharp, & unique vehicles. It wont be long, IF the econmy ever turns around.

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https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/071732.html

2) No, the first 50 Indy's were not Festival 500 Cars. The First 15 were GM Exec Cars and I know my replica #36 was not one.
Edit to correct: Quoted from this thread:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/071732.html

If the above quote is right, that puts Paul's car in the first 50. Which would mean it is not a parade car?

Paul, again your pic and link are not working, don't know why, maybe my browser is junk. Anyone else able to get the link to work?

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I have not had any sucess at bringing it up either. Please try again Paul.

John

quote Originally posted by ohioindy: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/071732.html

Not to be an ass, but the significance of that link is what, exactly? The one incident that I mentioned that someone said they talked to someone that said he had a parade lap car? As I said above, I don't doubt it, but I have yet to see/hear the owner pipe in on any of these threads. Like everyone else, I'm just trying to unravel the mystery....

Paul, if you have the documentation it would be nice to see it. I'm not sure as to what you’re referring to as to the "significance of the link"

Katatak, you mentioned that you have replica #36. In an effort to keep the records straight, Fred has replica #36 as shown on the vin list on the fiero pace car site. Are you referring to a license plate from Indy?

John

quote Originally posted by katatak: 2) No, the first 50 Indy's were not Festival 500 Cars. The First 15 were GM Exec Cars and I know my replica #36 was not one. If the above quote is right, that puts Paul's car in the first 50. Which would mean it is not a parade car? Paul, again your pic and link are not working, don't know why, maybe my browser is junk. Anyone else able to get the link to work?

What info are you saying puts my car in the first 50???? What do you mean "replica #36"???

quote Originally posted by Johngee: Paul, if you have the documentation it would be nice to see it. I'm not sure as to what you’re referring to as to the "significance of the link" Katatak, you mentioned that you have replica #36. In an effort to keep the records straight, Fred has replica #36 as shown on the vin list on the fiero pace car site. Are you referring to a license plate from Indy? John

Sorry for the confusion John, I quoted Fred from the other post. I don't own an Indy but am looking for one. It needs to be the right one though and I am trying to learn as much about them before I buy one that may be misrepresented. Again, I apologize for the confusion there.

Pat

I spoke with John Callies and there were only two Pace cars with Super Duty 4 pace cars that he built. The third was a standard Replicar. Rick B

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...ML/087545-2.html#p69

quote Originally posted by katatak: The way I see it now, we got two different people with #36 Indy?

I think what he means is that his car was the 36th Indy to be built. Mine is the # 36 FLAG LOT car from the race. Mine is NOT one of the first 50 to be built.

OK Paul, I give up. I do like those rims but not on the Indy. Still do not understand how you can claim that you have the "last documented parade car" just becuase others don't jump in and post here. I do know of an Indy in a garage in the Northwest that the guy says he has all the Indy parade documentation but you would never see him on a forum talking about it. I do not question him because he has over 15 Indy pace cars (replicas / editions) from 1975 to 1995. He just does not advertise it.

Not sure about the 2 #36 either. Could be as you say. Freds is the 36th replica built? I would like to see any documentation that anyone has so that I will know what to look for as I search for an Indy. I only want one if I can get one of the parade / festival cars (why I am interested in your documentation). I know where a few are hidden away around the country and need to know all I can about the Indy before I chase one down and all I see is people saying that they have the documentation but have not been able to put my eys on any of it.

quote Originally posted by katatak: Still do not understand how you can claim that you have the "last documented parade car" just becuase others don't jump in and post here.

I said IF I had the last one it would be worth more. I still think they are worth far more than the other Indys even if there are 20 of them still around.

quote Originally posted by katatak: Not sure about the 2 #36 either. Could be as you say. Freds is the 36th replica built? I would like to see any documentation that anyone has so that I will know what to look for as I search for an Indy. I only want one if I can get one of the parade / festival cars (why I am interested in your documentation). I know where a few are hidden away around the country and need to know all I can about the Indy before I chase one down and all I see is people saying that they have the documentation but have not been able to put my eys on any of it.

Did you try the last link without the www? I don't know why I.E. can't access a perfectly good link that other browsers have no problem with.
Good luck with finding a documented car for sale - unless you plan to pay a premium for it. I was only considering selling my car if - & only if - it would bring a good price. Then only because I need a lot of money to finish my other projects.

It must be my browser cause it links to the same page as the the first one.

I know where one is that supposedly has the documentation and a lot of 84 Indy memoribilia. It has 32k on it, get's started and moved around a little every couple of months but has not been registered in over 10 years and is not driven on the road at all. Plus it rarely see the light of day - never gets out of the warehouse. The owner may be persuaded to sell it. I would like to know exactly what is "documentation" that an Indy is actually a parade / festival car. Have yet to get a complete answer. I will keep digging for the truth.

The one I have my eye on is not going anywhere and because I am a "cheap" Fiero owner, I will not pay 25k plus for it either. I do agree that they are not bringing what they should but 25k is a bit much. Lower prices are good for us looking to buy. I have noticed a flood of Fiero's up for sale in the last few months. I believe that it is related to the crappy economy. People simply can't afford to keep and maintain thier toys.

quote Originally posted by katatak: I would like to know exactly what is "documentation" that an Indy is actually a parade / festival car. Have yet to get a complete answer.

I have no idea what documentation others have. That's one of the problems I have with the claims. As I stated on my first page, I have the ORIGINAL (not a copy) Indiana registration that shows the tag # as 36, the same as the flag lot sticker on the windshield. That's the image you can't seem to load (I suggest you get another browser & quit using mickysoft crap). How many cars are registered with a 2 digit tag number in 1984 in Indiana? I also have the ORIGINAL (not a copy) bill of sale as mentioned above. The NEW car sold with 1870 miles on it, in June after the race - in Ohio. How many cars are registerd & tagged in one state, & then later sold NEW in another state? I also have the envelope & note that the Flag Lot sticker came in from the speedway (of course anyone could have that).
The only other real evidence we'll get is if the speedway gives us VINs, & so far they said they themselves did not have those records, but someone is supposed to have them & will only sell them "at a rediculous" rate (I haven't seen what that price is, or who has those records). IMO the Indiana registration is the definative document, especially when combined with the original bill of sale at a later date in another state.
Having a singed statement from a previous owner stating that it was a parade lap car is NOT proof or documentation.

I can not see the link either , it is on your end Paul. Rick B

quote Originally posted by SuperchargedV6: I can not see the link either , it is on your end Paul. Rick B

The link is correct: I can't "fix" something that's not broken. It loads just fine in Opera, I.E. 5.5, & Netscape 4.0. I don't have a newer version of I.E. on this machine 'cause the idiots at mickysoft don't allow you to install the newer version & keep the older one. I have newer versions on other computers & want to keep all the versions I have to check my websites in.

Paul, I've had that problem before, reason why you might see it on your computer and others cant is if the image is in your cache from being stored on your machine.

There were times I'd post something for sale, upload the image on a site, link to it, and nobody could see it but me lol.

Anyways, that said, if you know a friend who has a different machine and never got those pics in an email or anything yet have them check it out for you, that way you can confirm 100% whether its other's browsers, or the links themselves....

Paul,, you have to understand if your computer generated it then anytime you link to it the computer picks the link out of its memory. If you delete all of the cookies and temp files it may fail for you, also if you installed the link and software it may only work for you.

If we cant view it then somethign is wrong.

Rick B

quote Originally posted by SuperchargedV6: Paul,, you have to understand if your computer generated it then anytime you link to it the computer picks the link out of its memory. If you delete all of the cookies and temp files it may fail for you, also if you installed the link and software it may only work for you. If we cant view it then somethign is wrong. Rick B

Well when I open it in I.E., & I haven't even used I.E. in months, it can't be in cashe - PLUS I watched as it downloaded. Ditto when I opened it in Netscape. I.E. & Netscape do NOT draw pics out of Opera's cashe.
The pic is there; the link is right. I have no idea why some of you can't get it.
Edit: Please list the browsers you are using if you can't get the pic...

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OK Opera suck so here it the photo that you have posted to help all out. SO you can stop complaining on how bad the browsers are that we all chose to use. We all have our own reservations about this. Since mine is 64 and from the first 100 sould I charge you $25,000 to buy it since I have no prof that it was there as well. It came from indiana as well new. but all you have provided is this photo witch means nothing other than its number 36 and nothing to back it up your claims. To settle this you need to post what you can to prove your clam other than what you type on your keyboard.

quote I have no idea why some of you can't get it.

Absolutely uncalled for . Rick B

quote Originally posted by SuperchargedV6: Absolutely uncalled for . Rick B

WHY? How am I supposed to know why some of you can't get the image? Fiero Thomas didn't have any problems getting it via the link, did he?

Well lets just say that I use something that you dont. And yes that link above had an error in it. With my job I have access to and test browsers that are not available online. Good deal to keeping your car. This is a good time to move on. Posted from firefox this time.

quote Originally posted by Fiero Thomas: Well lets just say that I use something that you dont. And yes that link above had an error in it. With my job I have access to and test browsers that are not available online. Good deal to keeping your car. This is a good time to move on. Posted from firefox this time.

Why the secrecy? If you have data that others don't, don't be selfish - share it with us.
What was wrong with the link??? Everything is spelled right, all the punctuation marks are right, the http is there - AND IT LOADS IN ALL MY BROWSERS & SOME OTHER PEOPLE'S. If there's something wrong with it how did you get the image? Why won't you tell me what it is?

This is the last I will ever look at this post, its like talking with a 3 year old.

As a collector of Indys I was interested in yours at your asking price of $25,000 minus at least one zero. But I do not consider a state registration card "Plate # 36" as proof this was the last parade car, neither does anyone else, neither should yourself.

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85 GT speedster project
86 GT Corvette Yellow
2 88 Formula T-Tops
91 Grand Prix GTP, 3.4 TDC, 5 Speed
01 GMC "1 ton of fun" Crew Dually Diesel
08 Ford Escape

However......
"Time is the most precious and perishable of my possessions."

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quote Originally posted by 007DOUG: This is the last I will ever look at this post, its like talking with a 3 year old.

+1

Rick B

+2

I need not explaine myself with what I do for a living and where. My data is my data.

This thread needs to DIE.

quote Originally posted by CenTexIndy: Are you saying that there were only 100 Indys made? ---- You know better than that. Are you saying that there were only 100 Indys at the track? ---- While still awaiting definitve proof, many people spoke with the original owner of an Indy at the 25th that has absolute proof that his car was #121 (stated clearly in an above post. So you know better than this as well. So, I am very curious....what do you mean by that?

I have plate # 197 & 188. I do not have the registrations for these plates but I think it shows there were at least like 200 Indys there.

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99 TT C5
89 ESPRIT SE
96 IMPALA SS 383 76mm
84 INDY FIERO
94 INDY GMC S10BLZ
95 MERCEDES SL
86 PORSCHE 928 S

Greg,
were still pretty sure all the cars there received these plates. The Fieros may have been given the first 140 plates and the sponsored cars received the rest. I have plate 217 and sold Fred 66. More to still be investigated. Rick B