84 Fiero Indy Pace Car Vin number puts this car at the 65th or 67th car built. This is also a car that was one of the hundred used at the race track, I have all paper work to back this up. It is a Southern car from Kentucky and I have owned it since 96 stored in a semi heated garage. The door pads and steering wheel and horn pad are there and nice. The seat covers have been replace with Mr. Mike's Indy covers. Carpet is very good and the original mats are pretty good. I have a new set of badges to go on as well as a new nose badge. Deck lid now on it is an 85 with Indy Scoop, but have the original deck lid to go with it. The rims are not real great but have new Firestone Indy tires on them. The engine was rebuilt four years ago and bored 30 over, air cleaner is original but valve cover is Holley aluminum. Holley TBI unit 2.0, also Edelbrock aluminum manifold, Hooker TRi- Y header, all this stuff is very hard to find.
Car does need a paint job to be finished but looks OK. It has 118k on it and I have about $6000.00 invested and that is what I would like to get out of the car

Well...I will be the first to say that I would like to see the documentation of it being a track car.
As far as price, even with documentation, I personally feel you are high.
Here was one with only 65K on it...mint/showroom condition. Sold for $6,000.00.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/042513.html

But hey...maybe I am wrong.

Will be good to add the VIN to the list if it is not already on it.

Edit: Just want to add that I am not trying to be an a-- about the documentation, it is just that we have had many discussions like one that will probably take place with your Indy with other people selling Indys that were supposed Parade Cars.

So, please...WELCOME to the forum and I hope that you find any information that you need.

[This message has been edited by CenTexIndy (edited 10-06-2008).]

I dont see you on the list. Can you send me the info to put it on the vin list. Thanks,,Rick B

http://www.fieropacecar.com...=viewtopic&t=191#913

The Vin on my car is 1G2AF37R8EP248170 I did have my car at the Nationals in Indy in 96. Look I do not get on these treads very often for just the reason my claim about this being a parade car is wrong. Let me tell you what I know from a gentleman that I met with an Indy at Indy. He was from Wisconsin and had done alot of work and talked to alot of people to try to find out how you could really tell. What he had found was all the parade cars were first sent to Cincinnati, Ohio. I have the Certificate Of Orgin transfered to the Pontiac Motor Division, March of 1984. Keep in mind that all the cars were early numbers also. My car does not show ownership until bought by a dealer in Kentucky with 937 miles on it on May 30th. I have proof of this also, the dealer when I called him thought it could have been used at the race, but not sure. The first owner who bought the car in November I was able to call after I obtained a copy of the transfer. He told me that when he had bought the car he was told it was used at Indy and I have a written letter from him saying so. I know that there has been alot of talk about how to tell, I am not sure that everyone will ever be comfortable with any explanation. As far as what my car is worth I have already stated that I have this much in the car, I have paperwork for that also. I feel pretty comfortable claiming this as a parade car and have the paperwork to prove the above. As far as what a parade car may be worth anymore because of that? I think it, is but that is my opinion. These cars will one day bring the money they deserve.

quote Originally posted by Redbarron: Keep in mind that all the cars were early numbers also.

That has yet to be either proven or dis-proven. I tend to go with the theory that they are probably in the 200 - 300 production line, as Pontiac would've wanted to get a great number of them onto the dealer showrooms as soon as the announcement was made and also would not want 100 - 150 Indy Fieros just sitting around IMS for a number of months before the Festival preparations began. But again, until someting is proven, it is ALL speculation.

quote Originally posted by Redbarron: He told me that when he had bought the car he was told it was used at Indy and I have a written letter from him saying so.

The reason that this will NEVER work as a viable historical document is simple. When I first discovered the Fiero Forums, I went to the "other" site first and asked how to tell if my Indy was used at IMS. The answer I received there was "Just lie about it, and sell it to yourself on ebay. When anyone asks, send 'em a link to the auction."

It was shortly after that was posted that I was approached by OhioIndy (who has since become one of my dearest friends) and told that would not work and to check out PFF as there is more "logical" discussions. Since that time I have conducted my own reaserch and helped others with their's.

It sounds like you have a decent Indy. Don't be mad (yes, I do come off as an a-- sometimes and I truly don't mean to) because I and others ask questions about the car. I understand that you have put $6,000 worth of work into your Indy, but as 99.9% of Fiero owners who have done work to their cars will tell you - "NEVER expect to get what you put into the car back from a buyer if you sell the car." Our beloved cars are cheap, and the wonderful drivers/owners of our cars are pretty cheap as well

There are execptions to the rule, as the just ended auction for the PPG Pace Car will show, but the VAST majority of Fieros are still worth very very very little.

Again - WELCOME to the forum and the discussions. Please do not take anything that is questioned or said about your Indy in a bad way. ALL of us who own or have owned an Indy are working as hard as we can to discover as much as we can about the cars used during the Festival.

Thanks you guys, I know this is a tricky subject and I cannot be 100% sure. But from everything I did find back in 96 it was covered by my car, auto, the Cincinnati Certificate Orgin to a Distributor in Ohio maybe there is something in this have you heard of these cars going to Cinc.? Why would GM build a car and tranfer to a distributor said being Pontiac Motor Division-GMC in Ohio? This is on my Certicate Of Origin For A Vehicle. I did talk to the first owner and he was told by the dealer it was used there and have a letter from him. Time of this car shipment and delivery to the dealership is kinda a hint at where the car may have been. It does fit with the race a month before and transfer to the first dealer signed off by Pontiac Motor Division as lien holder. Did not mean to mislead anyone here but lots of evidence to what this car might be and what I believe it to be.

Very good post and very good arguement for the car being a possible Festival Car.

Now - perhaps the most important thing not covered yet.....

PICS????????????

quote Originally posted by Redbarron: Thanks you guys, I know this is a tricky subject and I cannot be 100% sure. But from everything I did find back in 96 it was covered by my car, auto, the Cincinnati Certificate Orgin to a Distributor in Ohio maybe there is something in this have you heard of these cars going to Cinc.? Why would GM build a car and tranfer to a distributor said being Pontiac Motor Division-GMC in Ohio? This is on my Certicate Of Origin For A Vehicle. I did talk to the first owner and he was told by the dealer it was used there and have a letter from him. Time of this car shipment and delivery to the dealership is kinda a hint at where the car may have been. It does fit with the race a month before and transfer to the first dealer signed off by Pontiac Motor Division as lien holder. Did not mean to mislead anyone here but lots of evidence to what this car might be and what I believe it to be.

Thanks for the vin, I need the trans also for the list.

It was discovered awhile back that double transfers proves this but not only to Cinci. I have documented parade cars that were sent to indiana dealers before the race then sold at a dealer again after race day. Double sales can be found from the Pontiac Historical society & will prove this, it can be from anywhere they had a trailer taking them to the track. Remember one area could not trailer them all away as if this was the case they all would have come out of Michigan.

Remember people will always doubt what you tell them and the burden of proof rest on you. I know I own a prototype and folks wanted to say allot about it to disprove it. I prooved my car at the 25th with all people I received info from that weekend.

Rick B

This car is already on the list, the contact person I had on this car was Alan Knioght,

Here is the Carfax history

12/19/1991 58,129 Kentucky
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Elizabethtown, KY
Title #913530470081 Title or registration issued
02/16/1993 89,320 Kentucky
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Elizabethtown, KY
Title #930470470124 Title or registration issued
Duplicate title issued
03/01/1993 Kentucky
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Elizabethtown, KY
Title #930600470131 Title or registration issued
03/10/1993 89,385 Kentucky
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Elizabethtown, KY
Title #930690470012 Title or registration issued
03/10/1993 Kentucky
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Elizabethtown, KY
Title #930690470014 Title or registration issued
Loan or lien reported
04/11/1995 113,934 Kentucky
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Elizabethtown, KY
Title #951010470186 Title or registration issued
04/27/1995 113,985 Auto Auction
Midwest Region Vehicle sold
05/11/1995 Kentucky
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Louisville, KY
Title #951310560569 Title or registration issued
New owner reported
03/13/1996 Michigan
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Central Lake, MI.

Are there any stickers on the mirror with a number?

Regards Johngee

This is good stuff. Maybe with some good group discussion and information the car can either be proven or disproven.... but at least the truth will be known. If it IS proven to be a parade car the that would be very cool.

Rick.... Your car is a prototype? Just kidding.

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quote Originally posted by R Runner: Rick.... Your car is a prototype? Just kidding.

At least I think so hahahahaha. It is hard as I had a bumpy road to get some to believe mine was real and not just for DGP. Thank God I went to the 25th Anniversary as I found allot of info there. I almost cancelled. I love researching and finding new things and love your car,, when can I take it for a spin ?. Rick B

So I guess the car mentioned in this thread is a parade lap car? Thats pretty neat.

Hello, just wanted to get back to you guys that had questions. CenTexIndy was wondering if I had any pictures? Was there was anything specific that you were looking for in pictures. I have some around the outside of the car. Let me know I will try and get some out to you, have really been busy lately. Also JohnGee thanks for sending out carfax for us, also there was no stickers on my outside mirror. Also will send along the trans number later if I can locate it for sure.

I am still working with Howard who has the complete Indy parade car Vin list. He has made an offer to me about the list. However we are still far apart on his price. Hopefully in the near future this will come together. Will keep on trying.

RT

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signature by F-I-E-R-O (My Indy on right / #1 IMS)

The transmission number stamped on top of trans is 8643387. Hope this is the number that you are looking for.

Alan

This is one of the parade cars and super early, and I mean super early. Rick B

quote Originally posted by Redbarron: The Vin on my car is 1G2AF37R8EP248170 I did have my car at the Nationals in Indy in 96. Look I do not get on these treads very often for just the reason my claim about this being a parade car is wrong. Let me tell you what I know from a gentleman that I met with an Indy at Indy. He was from Wisconsin and had done alot of work and talked to alot of people to try to find out how you could really tell. What he had found was all the parade cars were first sent to Cincinnati, Ohio. I have the Certificate Of Orgin transfered to the Pontiac Motor Division, March of 1984. Keep in mind that all the cars were early numbers also. My car does not show ownership until bought by a dealer in Kentucky with 937 miles on it on May 30th. I have proof of this also, the dealer when I called him thought it could have been used at the race, but not sure. The first owner who bought the car in November I was able to call after I obtained a copy of the transfer. He told me that when he had bought the car he was told it was used at Indy and I have a written letter from him saying so. I know that there has been alot of talk about how to tell, I am not sure that everyone will ever be comfortable with any explanation. As far as what my car is worth I have already stated that I have this much in the car, I have paperwork for that also. I feel pretty comfortable claiming this as a parade car and have the paperwork to prove the above. As far as what a parade car may be worth anymore because of that? I think it, is but that is my opinion. These cars will one day bring the money they deserve.

in my opinion id listen to citexindy he knows a lot about them

citexindy doesn't have the parade car list. http://www.fieropacecar.com...=viewtopic&t=263#975 I already was in contact with Alan to prove what I know. Why would you think I was lieng? I own Fiero Pace Car .com and been working on the Pace car with others for some time now. I hope I know something by now. Rick B

Great to find out that you can now verify the parade lap cars. I'd still like to get an "accurate" gesstimate of how many are still around.
Six grand may be too high, but in the future they will be worth more than that.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

quote Originally posted by CenTexIndy: That has yet to be either proven or dis-proven. I tend to go with the theory that they are probably in the 200 - 300 production line, as Pontiac would've wanted to get a great number of them onto the dealer showrooms as soon as the announcement was made and also would not want 100 - 150 Indy Fieros just sitting around IMS for a number of months before the Festival preparations began. But again, until someting is proven, it is ALL speculation.

Well there were not 200 pace cars and also they were all very early as I can now prove and his car is a parade car that as a matter of fact is the first one sent to the track. The shame is they mixed it at one point and made it number 2. His car was probably the car that they toasted as the first one was leaving for Indy and it carried plate number 2 when signed in for the detailing, instead of #1 do to a fluke. I would say his car is now worth more due to the certificate and documentation he will be getting from me.

This is the reason I started www.FieroPaceCar.com as to remove all rumors and put up facts. Even you CenTexIndy have been on the wrong track with allot of your info. Rick B

Good Job Rick.

I'm glad to know this guy has the real deal AND learned more about it. I definately think this makes the car worth more.

Redbarron... Are you sure you still want to sell it?

GREAT FIND!

I worked for PMD in the 80's and the Zone Office was in Cincy but I can tell you for a fact that they were not sent there. It was standard practice for the Zone Car Distributor & Office Manager to order the special event cars and have them drop shipped from the factory to specific dealers in the area of the event. In this case Indy. In order to keep the metro dealers happy and not show favortism they were probably sent to Tom Wood, Don Sisk and Reeves Pontiac. They would have been prepared by the service department and the new car Pre Delivery Inspection performed and cleaned prior to the Zone Office releasing them to IMS and Zone personnel to be used during the month of May. The Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin would have been held by the Zone Office or if required by Indiana law at the time surrendered at the BMV for tags. After the Race they would be sold to the surrounding dealers at Brass Hat discounts and the dealers usually cleaned up on them even with a few hundred miles on them. If there was a way to search the dealer's records you might be able to document it that way. There would be nothing special on the invoices other than the normal code for a PEP car ordered by the Zone but the dealers would not have those as they were re-invoiced afterwards to the dealer who finally received the car for retail delivery.

We did the same for the Portland Rose Festival cars with PMD in the Portland Zone when I was a District Sales Manager in the 80's.

The Zone manager usually kept a paper log to keep track of the cars from the time they were ordered till they were returned to the dealer's lot where they were usually kept until they got divided up between the dealers in the area. If you could find the Zone files if they have not been destroyed then you might be able to document that or if one of the dealer's who was trusted by the zone to handle the release of the cars to the track or dignitaries if they kept a list of them and who they went to.

This is going to be the ONLY way you are going to dind out if the car was used there unless the IMS kept similar records. I have a retired friend who worked the Speedway for years that might be able to find out as he has known many drivers, dignitaries and track officials over 50 years or more. If anyone could find out he could.

[This message has been edited by Mike Murphy (edited 12-20-2008).]

I guess you are trying to say I am a liar? Why do I have a receipt for the Indy decal sets from Cincy????????? You honestly are trying to say I do not have the Parade cars and all support vehicle are you? My sheets tell me the dealers who were 615, 728 I have the in date and return dates. I have the name of every driver, key numbers and more. The were all prepped in the same place in 1984. . One of my sheets shows Pontiac Motor Division,155 Tri county Parkway from Cincy Oh sent the decals and the cost of $1452.00 to this company in Indy. Trust me this is the complete and honest list. I have put folks in contact with there drivers already to prove it. The seller is under contractual agreement to not use this list ever again without my permission as I am to never post the list as a whole. Rick B

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I live in Cincinnati. I used to work just off of Try County Parkway. My buddy's shop is maybe 5 miles from where you're talking. I've never paid any attention to whether or not there is a pontiac dealership there anymore. If there is anything I as a disinterested third party can do to settle this before it gets ugly let me know.

No reason for anything to get ugly. I, Ron Treichel and Fred Bartemyer bought this list and it was researched and chased for a few years mostly by Ron. The folks at Indy made it possible so nothing to worry about on our end. This list is as legit as teh complete Replicar list I help folks with. Rick B

Rick:

If I wanted to call you a liar I would do so directly. I spent 6 years working in Sales and Distribution with the St. Louis and Portland Zones so I have a pretty good idea of how things worked for special events like the Indy 500, Portland 200 and Portland Rose Festival on ordering, tracking, prepping and paper work. I was simply stating facts. If you don't like what I said then I'm sorry but as a member here I have a right to make comments as long as they are in good taste. I did work for PMD and few on this forum can say they have that back ground and experience. I've met and worked with Bill Hoglund, Bill Lane, Ed Benson and a few others to name a few and spent some time in Central Office and got the rare opportunity to see the Fiero almost a year before it was introduced as well as other models Pontiac was working on at the time and testing.

If you got a list from the Cincy Zone office great I'm glad for you. If the two dealers that prepped the cars were the ones you disclosed above then fine. I would guess that they were Indy area dealers who had personell trusted by the Zone Car Distributor to prep and keep track of before dispersing to dealers in the area for sale as brass hats. Makes no sense for a dealer in the CIncy area 90+ miles away to prep the cars and then find drivers to take all of them to Indy. GMC probably used the same 2 dealers.

I'm not going to get into an argument with anyone here about what is true or untrue or rumor. If it makes someone happy that they have an Indy that was used at the track and makes it worth more then I think that is great. Personally I think they were a nice execution of an underpowered replica that they should have done more with compared to Pontiac's other Indy cars over the years.

Yes I have one and probably not used at the track even though I now live 45 minutes from the Speedway.

Tom King was the Zone Manager in Cincy for PMD the last I heard and was my manager in Portalnd if anyone would need any info I'm sure he would be hapy to help. His father was National Sales Manager in 1the late 60's. Indy did not have a Zone office and were handled out of Cincy.

If my two cents offended anyone then my apologies as that was not my intent. I always thought that my knowledge and background of 15 plus years in the retail and wholesale end with PMD would be appreciated but obviously not with everyone here.

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It is not the point of appreciation to you time at Pontiac. I was offended that you dropped in and just start talking as if I wasn't here and I couldn't know what I was talking about. . Allot of research was done and then the purchase was made. The list was initially up for $20,000 and completely to much for us to buy it. We pretty much sat on the sidelines kicking ourselves over this and figured we would never see it. After sometime and a poor economy the price came down some and we bought it. That is the reason for it being handled as it is going to be. It is also the reason I responded as I did since I understand how the list was put together and who prepped the cars along with where they were, who delivered them and who drove them. I know which cars were track cars and which were support cars for plain old driving around.

Honestly I should not have even responded as I am trying to help others while also retrieving a tiny amount of the money invested which will obviously help the sales of a car while never breaking even. The original owner was charging $200.00 to only check your car. He wouldn't even tell you if it was on the list until he took your unrefundable money. I will not do anything without verifying the car with the owner at which point I will put you in contact with the driver if I can so you can see its not a farce. I will also give you the key numbers to prove I have your car on the list if needed.

With all of this I took offense and maybe wrongly on how you came in talking as if my info was not able to be real since you new after your years at Pontiac. You didn't consider the dealers worked with one company for track delivery or for the final stage which is what happened. Nor that there was one company who made the plates that they assigned and also assigned drivers and companies their cars. There were two made for each car but only one was used and many were stolen from the cars. Also they were not considered legal in Indiana since they were no embossed and the BMV had a separate sheet for each car as my seller was the one who printed these out making the BMV's job easier. He still has the paper used but none of the 1984 copies which I hoped for. . I can go on with so much info but need to save some of it. The previous owner was in charge of all of this from 1978 until I think 2004

With all of this being said. I appreciate your time and knowledge of many thing you have done or seen but in this case you may be a little mistaken on some of the details as you even said "it would have been" but you never said "you were there" for this part of Indy or the Fiero Pace cars so interjecting a kind of "it could only be cause I worked there for 6 years" attitude put me on the defense somewhat. I hope you understand what I am reading. Nothing personal Mike but I don't want someone trying to put doubt on the factual records we worked so hard at getting. Rick B

Is it not amazing how sometimes the written word can be misinterpreted when it is not heard?

My comments were made from my own experience. No where did I truly disagree with anything or anbody as to the facts about any list. I did state that the Zone probably had a tracking sheet. If they hired an outside company then it would have been something the other Zones would not have expensed. Creative things were hidden in budgets though.

If I offended you that was not my intent. I merely offered another side of the equation based on procedures and documentation I was aquanted with. You did not mention if the 2 dealers that performend the PDI were in Indy or Cincy.

My guess would have been Tom Wood and Don Sisk. Sisk would be the closest to the track and would have had more storage room but with GMC also I'm sure they had to have the second dealer involved.

If I'm wrong then so be it but it's not about being right with me all I intended to do was offer some suggestions of where to look not dispute any information anyone had. In fact I mentioned either the dealer's reocords or the Speedway as a source. The BMV would have been my next thought if the C of O was used in anyway or a special plate. I have never been informed of the source of your list nor its content so forgive my ignorance.

The Indy is a neat little car and a part of history. I'm glad I own one but I'm not going to hold my breath that it will ever be worth more than it is now. My 88 DOHC 3.4 Ttop is a hell of a lot more fun to drive and with an Indy interior and badging. It is more of what they should have used but if they had kept the P car then maybe the 89-90 could have been an Indy?.

Sometimes we Fiero owners tend to be more defensive and easily upset when our cars get criticized but most of the time I ignore it and figure it's not about what they like it is about what I like so each to his own.

You are correct on typing and what is really being said. No Harm No Foul and I understand more now and apologize if I offended you in anyway. That was not my intention. I was more in a defense mode for what was worked so hard for. Rick B


Edited for spelling.

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quote Originally posted by Mike Murphy: Is it not amazing how sometimes the written word can be misinterpreted when it is not heard?

Ain't that the truth.
Rick is pissed at me 'cause I said I "didn't get" why folks couldn't see the image in my link, in the thread about my car. I don't know how that got mis-construed to mean something else, or why he'd get so upset over it. But now he refuses to include me in the info he has for the track cars (even though I offered to help pay for the list before anyone had the final price that was "reasonable" - and I make less money than anyone here).
It's not a big thing for me, though. I have the documentation that proves my car was there. While it would be cool to know more about it, it dosen't really matter. The cars are not worth enough in the first place for that info to make a big difference. And I don't plan to sell it anyway, unless I could get enough money to help finance some of my other projects. The Indy is not my only interest in cars (or Fieros fort that matter). I like all kinds of cars & bikes - anything cool or unusual. I have several projects which include two other Fieros, a V8 Z car, a BMW, the mid-engine VW Cabriolet (with Fiero running gear/suspension & a SBC), two Beetles, a Harley, & old Mopars. The Indy is not the be-all end-all of my interest.
I'd be more interested in patching things up with Rick for the friendship, then the info. But it seems a little mis-understanding from the typed word can cause a big riff.
Personally I think the 6 grand the OP is asking for his car is a good investment, if not for near-future gains then for the pleasure of driving it. Where else can you get a peice of Indy racing history that you can drive anywhere for less than 15 or 20 grand? I know I wouldn't take 6 grand for mine, even though that's getting pretty close to what I usualy make in a year.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

Absolutely incorrect Paul and you will never understand how you act. The issue with you stems back 2 years with how you handle problems and nothing to do with you image link that clearly didn't work but your attitude towards others. Maybe one day you will get it and I hope it isn't to late for you. You honestly don't think all the problems you have that are not from here but in your daily life are not your fault????? Look deeply in the mirror Paul as it helps to fix the problem at the root for most. Rick B

quote Originally posted by SuperchargedV6: Absolutely incorrect Paul and you will never understand how you act. The issue with you stems back 2 years with how you handle problems and nothing to do with you image link that clearly didn't work but your attitude towards others. Maybe one day you will get it and I hope it isn't to late for you. You honestly don't think all the problems you have that are not from here but in your daily life are not your fault????? Look deeply in the mirror Paul as it helps to fix the problem at the root for most. Rick B

Then please explain (in an email or PM) exactly why you have the attitude toward me & my actions (& exactly what actions). What I'll never understand is the attitude folks have about me posting the freakin' TRUTH. True I'm stubborn about the TRUTH to a fault, but it's STILL the TRUTH. I can't stand lies.
The problems in my life are the direct result of TWO things: 1) The health problems (bad back, knees, wrists, etc. etc.) are from doing body & frame/restoration work for 40 years. Try working your ass of on a concrete floor & lifting heavy frame rack tools & other heavy parts & working with badly vibrating tools for 8 to 12 hours a day for 40 years & see what it does to you. & 2) THEIVES stealing nearly everything I had worked for in the previous 15 years while doing that work that was destroying my health. Try loosing 15 years of your life to THEIVES (& having the insurance co. - state farm - **** you over afterward) & see how you come out in the end.
Lets quit hyjacking the OP's thread.
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

quote Originally posted by Redbarron: 84 Fiero Indy Pace Car Vin number puts this car at the 65th or 67th car built. This is also a car that was one of the hundred used at the race track, I have all paper work to back this up. It is a Southern car from Kentucky and I have owned it since 96 stored in a semi heated garage. The door pads and steering wheel and horn pad are there and nice. The seat covers have been replace with Mr. Mike's Indy covers. Carpet is very good and the original mats are pretty good. I have a new set of badges to go on as well as a new nose badge. Deck lid now on it is an 85 with Indy Scoop, but have the original deck lid to go with it. The rims are not real great but have new Firestone Indy tires on them. The engine was rebuilt four years ago and bored 30 over, air cleaner is original but valve cover is Holley aluminum. Holley TBI unit 2.0, also Edelbrock aluminum manifold, Hooker TRi- Y header, all this stuff is very hard to find. Car does need a paint job to be finished but looks OK. It has 118k on it and I have about $6000.00 invested and that is what I would like to get out of the car

Looks like you now have the documentation you need! Hope you find a good buyer. I am interested but that does not help since I am currently broke. Sorry, wish I could help.

Back on topic.....

Anyone else want a piece of this historic car?

I am interested...... please send me a PM so that we can discuss sending pictures.

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Competition Yellow 84 2.5 Bone stock right down to electrical gremlins and an 87 328 replica.

quote Originally posted by Tha Driver: Then please explain (in an email or PM) exactly why you have the attitude toward me & my actions (& exactly what actions). What I'll never understand is the attitude folks have about me posting the freakin' TRUTH. True I'm stubborn about the TRUTH to a fault, but it's STILL the TRUTH. I can't stand lies. The problems in my life are the direct result of TWO things: 1) The health problems (bad back, knees, wrists, etc. etc.) are from doing body & frame/restoration work for 40 years. Try working your ass of on a concrete floor & lifting heavy frame rack tools & other heavy parts & working with badly vibrating tools for 8 to 12 hours a day for 40 years & see what it does to you. & 2) THEIVES stealing nearly everything I had worked for in the previous 15 years while doing that work that was destroying my health. Try loosing 15 years of your life to THEIVES (& having the insurance co. - state farm - **** you over afterward) & see how you come out in the end. Lets quit hyjacking the OP's thread. ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver"

Paul can you please let this thread alone. This thread is not about you its about the sale of this guys INdy. I would hate to have it trashed do to this bickering. You have your thread now stay there and let this poor guy alone.

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Hello everyone, wow, Rick has really finally gotten the list for us and the Fiero as a collector car. I am still in shock finding out that my car was the first Indy off the line in Ponitac. Never thought when I bought this car in Kentucky and drove it all the way home in the cold what it could really be. I really kind of knew that it was a parade car or was told so, and quess I just believed it at that point. But after I did the research I was very sure. But you need the paper work and Rick has finally got it for us. When I posted this car for sale I knew it was a parade car, now I am not sure what I am going to do. I am going to hold off selling it until this latest news sinks in all the way. Let me just say though that this is a wonderful thing that Rick has obtained this list, it means alot to me and my car. But it means alot to all those that have Fiero's here and love these little cars. It is documented history for us all and I lets remember we all in this together and support each other.

Merry Christmas,
Alan Knight

Glad to help Alan, let me make sure this is said correctly. Your car is the first Parade car off the line and not the first Indy. I just wanted to make sure folks caught that. Your car is the 61st Indy built. The biggest thanks goes to Ron Treichel or Pace84 from here. He worked on trying to locate this list for many years and deserves the credit for driving to Indy plenty of times and lots of time on the phone. He has been very quiet and I hope he speaks up on some of his heart aches working on this or a bit of the story behind the digging. Rick B

The behind the scenes story on this list sounds like a VERY interesting read. I'd really like to know it...

Are you allowed to give it's origins?... it kinda sounds like it was in pieces. Did Fiero Phil Huff have it?... so many questions...

quote Originally posted by Fiero Thomas: Paul can you please let this thread alone. This thread is not about you its about the sale of this guys INdy. I would hate to have it trashed do to this bickering. You have your thread now stay there and let this poor guy alone.

WTF do you think I said "Lets quit hyjacking the OP's thread."???
~ Paul
aka "Tha Driver"

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