How about shipping USPS (postal service). According to my USPS calculator, sending a 7lb box TO Germany is $35.05 via AirMail Parcel post. (4-10 days delivery) Add a few $$$ for insurance, sounds reasonable? Not sure if shipping the "other way" makes a difference? I have shipped several Fiero items to Germany and other Countries, and it seems to work OK. 2 sets in a 14lb box goes for $57.20 plus insurance. Am still waiting for FedEx calculator to give me a price. Can I have your Zip code in Freigericht?
How about shipping USPS (postal service). According to my USPS calculator, sending a 7lb box TO Germany is $35.05 via AirMail Parcel post. (4-10 days delivery) Add a few $$$ for insurance, sounds reasonable? Not sure if shipping the "other way" makes a difference? I have shipped several Fiero items to Germany and other Countries, and it seems to work OK. 2 sets in a 14lb box goes for $57.20 plus insurance. Am still waiting for FedEx calculator to give me a price. Can I have your Zip code in Freigericht?
Uh, The USPS, (UNITED STATES Postal Service), does not have offices in Germany. The national postal service is Deutsche Post. Your packages you send TO Germany via USPS here get delivered in Germany by DP
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Jan 24th, 2007
Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
HL87193 ... H9 Female connector ... US$ 6.70 each (4 required) HL28000 ... H4 Male connector ... US$ 5.00 each (2 required)
Note that the DOT/SAE (North American) 90mm round Hella modules require the H9 connector listed above, but the ECE (European) 90 mm modules require an H7 connector. They are different.
Susquehanna also lists H4 connectors with pigtails (HL28100), but the price is $9.00 each. I'd just as soon do it all myself. It would be possible to omit the H4 male connectors entirely by cutting off the Fiero's stock H4 socket and wiring directly to the new H9 connectors. However, using the H4 male connectors makes this a "plug and play" installation and allows easy reversion to the stock setup if you ever want/need to go back.
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Thanks for including me, but please move me to the bottom of the list (90 mm rounds). I am still seriously interested, but I thought you understood that a final decision was pending until:
1) Shipping costs to the U.S. were known. (Seems done now.)
2) There were detailed pictures available so we can see exactly what we are buying.
I don't mean to discourage you, but at this point I will probably wait to purchase until some of the "early adopters" in North America have received theirs and have reported on their experience with the installation.
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Intel Member
Posts: 752 From: Helsingborg, Sweden Registered: May 2002
When I bought my Hella 90mm modules the boxes came sealed from Hella and each contained 1 Module, 3 adjusters, rubber cap, H7 bulb and H7 connector.... The high beam light module also came with a parking light connector. I ordered the module and got the whole deal while a friend of mine just got the module.... we both payed the same price
Seems like Hella is shipping whatever they feel like.
Out of the box:
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Thanks for including me, but please move me to the bottom of the list (90 mm rounds). I am still seriously interested, but I thought you understood that a final decision was pending until:
1) Shipping costs to the U.S. were known. (Seems done now.)
2) There were detailed pictures available so we can see exactly what we are buying.
I don't mean to discourage you, but at this point I will probably wait to purchase until some of the "early adopters" in North America have received theirs and have reported on their experience with the installation.
DOT has to have the H9 connectors? If so then that just shot me in the foot. I can't get the H9 here only the H7 and it is a PITA to get them. Let me get a hold of my guy in Texas and have him make the harness' for the US side and I'll make them here for the European customers.
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
The H9 connectors I bought from Susquehanna were manufactured by AMP (a major American manufacturer of specialty electronic connectors) and do not appear to be proprietary to Hella. I'll see if I can find a generic AMP part number for them.
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HL87193 ... H9 Female connector ... US$ 6.70 each (4 required) HL28000 ... H4 Male connector ... US$ 5.00 each (2 required)
Note that the DOT/SAE (North American) 90mm round Hella modules require the H9 connector listed above, but the ECE (European) 90 mm modules require an H7 connector. They are different.
Susquehanna also lists H4 connectors with pigtails (HL28100), but the price is $9.00 each. I'd just as soon do it all myself. It would be possible to omit the H4 male connectors entirely by cutting off the Fiero's stock H4 socket and wiring directly to the new H9 connectors. However, using the H4 male connectors makes this a "plug and play" installation and allows easy reversion to the stock setup if you ever want to go back.
Thanks for the heads-up Marvin! I almost ordered the H7 connectors and woulkd have been bewildered.
Randy
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Here's what the H9 connector looks like before assembly:
After the terminals are crimped onto the wires, they are installed in the grey housing at the left, and then the grey housing is latched into the black outer shell. The white things are weather seals for the wires, and the blue tab thing on the grey housing is used to retain the terminals.
Caution: Never insert the grey housing into an H9 lamp until after the terminals are installed and secured by depressing the blue tab. Otherwise, you will shear off the blue tab. Don't ask me how I know this.
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Ok, It's official. The world has turned upside down.
Never thought I'd see the day when was the cheapest way to ship ANYTHING!!!
Actually 2 years ago when I was trying really hard to get some "die roten rosen" CD's sent to me here in the states the fellow in Germany I was dealing with discovered the same thing, UPS was insanely ovrepriced Only deutschpost had the sane international rates.
It is hard to get your hands on German punk CD's here in the states.... and their Christmas album will even scare little kids. (Ok, so I'm a wierd 38 year old.)
$208.00US as a total right? also will you be willing to put on it that it was a "gift" on the paperwork for customs? Just a way to save hassles.
Now to find a 355 nose that is less than $1000US shipped.
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Add me to the list for a set of round and a harness. Am i correct in that the lights i need to make this work are about 60 bucks a piece? Jus want to get a idea of how much this will cost.
Add me to the list for a set of round and a harness. Am i correct in that the lights i need to make this work are about 60 bucks a piece? Jus want to get a idea of how much this will cost.
I picked up the cut pieces from the CNC shop today and delivered them to the welders. Should have them back by Tuesday and then off to the galvanizers.
I picked up the cut pieces from the CNC shop today and delivered them to the welders. Should have them back by Tuesday and then off to the galvanizers.
Will they be using a jig to weld them so that we don't have alignment / fit problems?
Yeah, I know they are German welders, but I have to ask...
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Flyguyeddy Member
Posts: 568 From: pekin, Il USA Registered: Dec 2003
So, one of the housings has the H4 and the H9 and the other just has the H9? Or, one has two H9s and the other has just the H4?
HL87193 ... H9 Female connector ... US$ 6.70 each (4 required) HL28000 ... H4 Male connector ... US$ 5.00 each (2 required)
What I was getting at would be more of a discussion concerning the advantages of different bulbs. I know that the H9 is DOT and the H7 is ECE, but what is the actual difference? Why move to H9 when it appears an H1 could work (both are single filament bulbs)? It is obvious why to move from H6054 to H4 in a Hella housing but beyond that, why move to other bulbs?
Is anyone planning on using the HID set of 90mm Hellas? When I get around to this part, that is what I am considering...
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So, one of the housings has the H4 and the H9 and the other just has the H9? Or, one has two H9s and the other has just the H4?
HL87193 ... H9 Female connector ... US$ 6.70 each (4 required) HL28000 ... H4 Male connector ... US$ 5.00 each (2 required)
What I was getting at would be more of a discussion concerning the advantages of different bulbs. I know that the H9 is DOT and the H7 is ECE, but what is the actual difference? Why move to H9 when it appears an H1 could work (both are single filament bulbs)? It is obvious why to move from H6054 to H4 in a Hella housing but beyond that, why move to other bulbs?
Is anyone planning on using the HID set of 90mm Hellas? When I get around to this part, that is what I am considering...
The harness plug on the back of the stock headlights is an H4 FEMALE connector. (Connects to the 3 tangs on the headlamp) You will need to connect the new lights to this, so you need 2 MALE H4 connectors, (one for each side L&R) that will simply plug into the stock female H4 plug. Each healight bucket gets (2) 90mm round headlights that each have an H9 (for U.S.) connection, thus you need 4 total FEMALE H9 connectors to go to the lights. How the 2 H9's get wired to the single H4 is still a mystery to me but I think it's really simple.
Did I get all that correct guys?
Randy
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How the 2 H9's get wired to the single H4 is still a mystery to me but I think it's really simple.
It is really simple. Each stock Fiero H4 female connector has 3 terminals: high beam, low beam, and ground. The H4 ground goes to both H9s, and the high and low beam terminals on the H4 connector go to their respective H9 lamps. That's just about all there is to it. (You do have to choose the correct wire gauge, connect the wires securely to the terminals, and carefully route the new wires so they don't touch the hot headlight housings.)
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midengineracer Member
Posts: 196 From: Kaiserslautern, GE Registered: Dec 2006
Sorry, I am an electronics guy and cut and splice is my way of life so that combined with quick reading on a large thread let me miss the 'male' connector blurb...
So, still, anyone thinking of the HID and how it works. Should I ask in another post about the bulb's technical differences or is there a better forum for that. And yes, I did read...
It is really simple. Each stock Fiero H4 female connector has 3 terminals: high beam, low beam, and ground. The H4 ground goes to both H9s, and the high and low beam terminals on the H4 connector go to their respective H9 lamps. That's just about all there is to it. (You do have to choose the correct wire gauge, connect the wires securely to the terminals, and carefully route the new wires so they don't touch the hot headlight housings.)
So I should wrap all the wires and connectors in aluminum foil then? JUST KIDDING!!!!
All that I seem to need to know now is which wire is which out of the 3 on each side.
You're right, this does seem easy.
One wire to low beam One wire to high beam Common ground for both
Select wire gage according to the amp load.
VOILA!
Can't understand why I thought there was so much more to it all.
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midengineracer Member
Posts: 196 From: Kaiserslautern, GE Registered: Dec 2006
All that I seem to need to know now is which wire is which out of the 3 on each side.
One wire to low beam One wire to high beam Common ground for both
Select wire gage according to the amp load.
VOILA!
Can't understand why I thought there was so much more to it all.
I usually don't write down what I am doing, so I do not have the wiring for you. However, if you have even the cheapest of multimeters, you are good to go.
With no power, you can ohm the three wires and figure out which is ground. Or, skip this step. Turn on your low beams, connect the black lead to the chassis and probe the connector for ~12V (~14V if the car is running), this is low, switch to high and probe for voltage, this is the high beam and the remaining lead is ground.
I should work on my car tomorrow for my steering problem, if I can remember, I will get the wire colors and post them here.
Never mind, 87 Pontiac Service Manual says black is ground, tan is low, and light green is high beams.
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