Heads up: I just noticed on the Susquehanna Motorsports site that the Hella 165 mm rectangular hi/lo headlight number HL21100 (the "free form reflector" model) is variously noted as "... unavailable until at least April" and "... unavailable until further notice." I have no idea what the problem is.
This may adversely affect the schedule for the rectangular version of the low-profile buckets ... at least in North America. It would be a shame to finally have the rectangular buckets available but no lamp assemblies to install in them.
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Hey Just to be sure, these will fit the first generation motors as well correct? And I'm oh so excited!!!
To tell you the truth I don't know. Does anyone know of a difference in the mounting of the 1st gen vs the 2nd gen buckets? From what I can tell there is no difference but I only have pix of the gen 1's.
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Kristian V Member
Posts: 217 From: Göteborg / Sweden Registered: Feb 2006
Buckets should be the same. I belive the difference in Gen1 - Gen2 was the motor, and the controll unit. I could be wrong though. I have only seen the Gen2.
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Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
Just so people know, Susquehanna Motorsports has the 90mm low beams on backorder. They are suppose to be in this week.
Fiero1fan, Can you measure the distance from the center of the high beam to the center of the low beam for me? As soon as the lights and connectors come in I want to make a layout and schematic for the harness. Thanks.
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Can you measure the distance from the center of the high beam to the center of the low beam for me?
It's going to have to be somewhere between 4.1 inches (105 mm) and 4.5 inches (115 mm). The minimum distance is set by the size of the lamps themselves (see this drawing), and the maximum distance is limited by the available mounting space in the Fiero headlight assembly. Note that the 90 mm low beam module is somewhat longer than the high beam module, so you will have to allow for that as well. (See this picture for a side by side comparison.)
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It's going to have to be somewhere between 4.1 inches (105 mm) and 4.5 inches (115 mm). The minimum distance is set by the size of the lamps themselves (see this drawing), and the maximum distance is limited by the available mounting space in the Fiero headlight assembly. Note that the 90 mm low beam module is somewhat longer than the high beam module, so you will have to allow for that as well. (See this picture for a side by side comparison.)
I am looking for the measurement from the center of the low beam to the center of the high beam lens on the bucket. Although each hole for the lens is 3.33" round (90mm) I need to know what the distance is between the lamps as well. Depth is not a concern because the depth of the stock headlight has already set where the original connector sits. When I make the harness I want to allow servicability to it. Also I need a specific length for the labels (low and high). I am going to set-up a nail board so I can make multiple harness' and ensure each one is the same.
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Oreif, I'll have that measurement for you by tomorrow.
I also contacted Hella here in Germany and there is no known reason why the rectangular lights aren't deliverable ATT in the states. The lights are available here and will continue to be produced. They did tell me that Hella North America is more or less a stand-alone company and not directly responsible to the German Mother company.
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Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Well I have an update. I brought the first completed set of twin round buckets home. The rest of the buckets will be done by this weekend and then off to the Galvanizers the first of next week. They are still in raw steel (not yet galvanized). It is too dark to get any good pix today but I'll have them tomorrow.
I also did a really cheap wiring harness with simple spade connectors to hook them up tomorrow so I'll have pix of the harness too. If any one wants one of the simple harness sets I'll include it free. It doesn't look too bad but it don't look good either. Well you'll see tomorrow what I mean.
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Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
Well I have an update. I brought the first completed set of twin round buckets home. The rest of the buckets will be done by this weekend and then off to the Galvanizers the first of next week. They are still in raw steel (not yet galvanized). It is too dark to get any good pix today but I'll have them tomorrow.
I also did a really cheap wiring harness with simple spade connectors to hook them up tomorrow so I'll have pix of the harness too. If any one wants one of the simple harness sets I'll include it free. It doesn't look too bad but it don't look good either. Well you'll see tomorrow what I mean.
When you take a pic of the basic harness could you lay a ruler in the pic so we can see size? Also could you post the measurement (or hold the ruler up to the face) of the bucket?
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Feb 2nd, 2007
Scythe Member
Posts: 1055 From: Burke, Virginia Registered: Apr 2003
Well my lights arrived today from Susquehanna Motorsports! Just awaiting on the buckets. Do you have an expected shipping date for those that have already paid?
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Sorry guys I don't know what the problems with the pix are. They are ALL 1024 x 768 and less then 100k. I thought that Cliff had up-ed the restrictions.
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Something just occured to me looking at these. You want both lights on when the high beams are on. I will try to figure out something for wiring that way tomorrow, I am going to bed now.
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Thinking about, buying a set but would want them in the raw, so I can powder coat them. Is that possible, and would it drop the price any (I had to ask )? -Jason
Thinking about, buying a set but would want them in the raw, so I can powder coat them. Is that possible, and would it drop the price any (I had to ask )? -Jason
Yes it is possible. Just let me know for sure so I can pull a set before they go to the galvanizers. No change in price. Sorry. Let me know fast because I'll be taking the buckets to the galvanizers on Monday. Be aware that the powder coating is very thick and will need to be trimmed out of the mounting holes for the lamps which may bare up some of the steel allowing rust to get a hold. A good base paint and painting them will look just as good and the galvanized steel will protect against any chips in the paint. Your choice.
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Kristian V Member
Posts: 217 From: Göteborg / Sweden Registered: Feb 2006
Only reason for not having them galvanized, is if youre gona weld some more on them. Otherwize it's all plus to get the zink coating on them. It's just fraktions if mm. And its good to have under any paint you gona have aplied on them. And without it, they would be rusty before they crossed the atlantic.
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Feb 3rd, 2007
Marvin McInnis Member
Posts: 11599 From: ~ Kansas City, USA Registered: Apr 2002
Thanks for the pictures. They do raise one question, though. You have mounted the low beam lights on the inside ... closer to the centerline of the car. Did you do it for clearance reasons?
Regulations in the U.S. require that the low beam lights be mounted outside of the high beams. I know that some here will say, "So what?", but I prefer not to attract any unnecessary police attention.
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