quote Originally posted by MadDanceSkillz: Oh, one more thing. 007DOUG himself told me he knew they were worth more than he was paying for them after I told him I was going to sell them elsewhere. So I really don't want to be lectured on integrity. He knew he was ripping me off.

How the hell can you say that he was ripping you off? YOU put them up for sale! YOU set the price! You have a lot to learn in life, let this be your first lesson... oh,,, and good by!

oh nm. this thread is messy enough without my .02

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quote Originally posted by MadDanceSkillz:......if a mod sees I used the word bastard and thinks that's over the line, I'd be happy to supply you with some PM's I received from 007DOUG recently.

I know doug, I can't imagine him saying anything worse than you have, let alone cursing. I'd love to see those PMs

quote Originally posted by MadDanceSkillz:.......... I'm 18.....

It shows. You have a lot to learn in life.

recieved the sail panels today, they look nice. Thanks. john

PM sent

Update...

The rims were posted on e-bay, and the last bid I saw was $352.00 ! ( Reserve not met)

Kharma....

I thought these sold for $600.00

or is that a different set of wheels?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...51QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ 5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

[This message has been edited by FieroMonkey (edited 05-06-2009).]

Imaturity , insecurity and lack of commitment to do what is right. I've made a deal or two before and regretted the price or the terms but I have always followed through with the deal no matter what. I commend a young person today who is trying to go to college and obtain student loans etc. I have an 18 year old son who is doing just that with his girlfriend. It is not easy however not all leasons come easily and maybe this one came a little harder. Granted a nice set of wheels but you can take a set of used ones and send them off to Keystone and have them back looking like new for about $400. My father was a Pontiac dealer and always made it a point not to price another man's merchandise because you can't put a value on it until it is sold. I like feeling good about how I have conducted myself with people and like them to think well of me.

Too bad this happened like this it causes hard feelings.

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Sometimes I don't understand people. If somebody wants to sell something and says "I don't know what there worth" make me an offer. Someone smart would shout a price and the buyer would think that someone is willing to pay that price. Another thing is the seller sometimes wants to get the highest price possible (which is normal for anyone). What burns my a$$ is some people here will brag into saying there not worth anything, and turn around 1 month later and come up with some BS story about their fiero part / item and sell them for a rediculos price than what they paid it for. They come up with a story like "I had an 88 GT I was fixing but I sold it last week. I wanted to put them on my car, but I have no need for them".So why did you buy the part (s) for?? People aren't stupid. That's crazy...my opinion. There just there to make a buck instead of helping someone for their car / project. Some people are damn greedy when it comes to buying and selling parts. They want it for next to nothing and sell it the next day for big bucks. Those people won't even dare answer you when they ask " Hey, I seen these parts, I know who owned them. Why are you selling them for this high price when 2 weeks ago you said they were worth nothing??"...

I don't call that an entrepeneur, I call that a very "crude" businessman.

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fierogt28

88 GT, loaded, 5-speed

They may have eventually went for 600. The last bid I had seen was in the 350 range. Not THAT much more than what he had them sold on here for....

Another thing...there's no money to be made in fiero parts. Do you think The Fiero Factory, V8 Archie, Bob @ Twin Lakes Fieros, make money / living on fiero parts?? No...they make a living on labour, not parts. They could be making a slight amount on new fiero parts because they got it at cost. But overall, no money made that is impressive. The Fiero Store makes money and a living on there business. All new parts and reproduction items that are fabbed that were made in a production run to make money and keep cost down for their expenses. They make profit their to some extent..they have to.

Any fiero parts I've sold, I didn't make one dime, all at loss. But I did make many fiero owners happy because I honestly didn't screw them.

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fierogt28

88 GT, loaded, 5-speed

One thing that bothered me about this guy. He set the price then said that the person that offered to buy them at his price knew he was "ripping him off". Was the buyer supposed to say, "NO, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH I WANT TO PAY YOU $1000. YOU'RE ONLY 18 AND YOU NEED THE MONEY".
So what does that make what he did to the person he bought them from. He was trying to get them sold for what he apparently thought was a good profit before he even had them in his possession.

You know if he would have set the price at $1000 to start with he probably would have gotten a post or pms saying they thought it was too high but I don't think anybody would have flamed him. In my opinion he deserves everything that I've seen said. Being 18 doesn't exempt you from doing the right thing.

Then there's the person who "traded" for them. I don't even know who it was but I think he gave him around $700 "credit" on an engine. I'm just guessing that he couldn't have sold the engine for that much (kind of like trading in your car on a new one. Sure the salesman will give you $10000 trade in on your Pinto if you'll buy his $40000 car.) The buyer (trader)obviously THOUGHT the real value was much more and just trying to "rip off" poor maddanceskillz since he turned around and almost immediately put them on EBAY with a "buy it now" price over $1200. They did have a final bid of $600 which was honestly more than I thought they would bring.
Let's face it you could buy a set of these wheels and have them professionally refinished for less (Do the work yourself and you should be able to easily beat the $300 original price.) Mount them on a car and how many people could tell the difference between them and the $600 set. From 10 feet away probably nobody.

Just out of curiousity.... please excuse my ignorance (and I do know that original parts have their specific values)

Aren't they pretty much exactly the same as 86-88 GT 15" rims but with gold paint??


Maybe I have done business with people in the past who have hidden dorsal fins, and clearly there is an etiquette
that is refreshing amoungst enthusiasts (that, I notice in this forum).

I have been dissapointed by people in business in the past; and have since concluded that a purchase
hasn't been made until at least one of the parties has in fact accepted some form of payment for said goods or services.

As dissapointed as I have been that I have not gotten what I had set my heart on; I have also acknowledged that the other
person with whom I was doing business has the same rights to change their minds until some form of either payment,
be it deposit (full payment in a timely, or agreed upon timeframe) or in full was recieved or the goods were dispatched/recieved.

Should people be true to their words? yes of course.
Can someone who hasn't taken payment or goods/services be forgiven for choosing to back out of a business transaction?
Sh-tuff happens, if you can't trust people - you can sure trust human behavior!

quote Originally posted by Rixthetrick: Aren't they pretty much exactly the same as 86-88 GT 15" rims but with gold paint??

88 Front GT rims are about 1/2 inch narrower. if you look closely at a picture of 88 front GT wheels you can see the difference

Also the 88 wheels had the valve stem hole in a different location. The 88's have the hole as pictured below.
The previous years had the hole drilled where the yellow dot is below.




Someone had told me that last year at the Dells. I didn't believe them, so I walked around and check all the cars and sure enough, the original grey ones 86-87 had a different location for the valve stem then the 88 gold or black.

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Okay, I fell for it. I HAD to go lok for myself. Sure enough, Just like he said!

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Why fight to be accepted by people you don't actually want to be like?

I can't believe this thread is coming back to life. I thought it had been moved the "The Trash Can".

And for those of you that have asked, no I did not end up leaving the forum. I had 7 or 8 people tell me to ignore the -expletive-s on the forum, and that there were plenty of good people on here. Now that I've been here a while longer, I've found that latter statement to be true. We do have some idiots on here, but for the most part the forum is a bunch of guys that just really love their cars.

And also, for those of you that have asked, I ended up getting about 800 for the wheels plus a gauge cluster after I sold the other part I got in the deal aside from the cash.

Oh, also forgot to add a last sidenote. The guy that bought the wheels from me ended up selling them on Ebay. He got 600 bucks even for them as I recall. It wasn't anyone on here, was it? He must have sold his GT or something. Too bad the economy is how it is. Toy cars and the stuff for them is going for nothing right now. It would have been interesting to see the selling price during better days. Speaking of Ebay, my ID is supergeeksdeals. I'm a powerseller on there, and I usually have some Fiero stuff up.

[This message has been edited by MadDanceSkillz (edited 05-24-2009).]

With all due respect, MadDanceSkillz, you're the one who was at fault here.
You made an agreement for the sale and then changed your mind because you learned you had underpriced them.

You're an eBay powerseller, so you know when an auction closes the deal is binding on both parties. If you had put the wheels up for a $300 BIN and someone took that, and then you decided to put a $600 reserve on them after the fact, do you think eBay would side with your, or the buyer who tried to get the $300 BIN price?

I'm not going to call you names. There's enough of that. But don't think for one minute that anyone was ripping you off but you.

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It appears that anyone who thinks you handled this sale poorly is one of the "idiots" or not one of the "good people" on this board.
This is just a recap as I see it:
In this thread https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/075261.html you stated
"I just bought a BRAND NEW set of 88 Fiero GT wheels in Gold for next to nothing. They have literally never had a tire mounted on them. I'm tempted to use them...but I suspect the things may be worth a pretty penny."

So to use your own description YOU KNEW YOU WERE RIPPING OFF THE ORIGINAL SELLER (but I suppose he was over 18 and independently wealthy, didn't have a family to feed or bills to pay so it was OK to rip him off so you could sell them for an "insane" profit.

Then you said in this thread:
I've made some calls and the general consensus is 400 bucks. I'll let them go for 300 plus actual shipping cost (Or you can pick them up).

Then you exchanged PMs with 007Doug where he quoted you as saying:
This is a direct quote from a maddanceskilz in the 2nd PM......."I'm a man of my word, I will still sell them to you at $300".

I guess you decided that being a "man of your word" isn't worth a few hundred dollars

Then you said:
"I apologize, but the wheels are going up on Ebay."

Which you didn't do

Then you said:
"007DOUG himself told me he knew they were worth more than he was paying for them after I told him I was going to sell them elsewhere. So I really don't want to be lectured on integrity. He knew he was ripping me off."

This one slays me that anyone could say that someone was ripping them off when they offer to pay the price that the person asked. (Why didn't you tell the person YOU bought them from they were worth a lot more.)

This is just a quote that I referred to above.

Then you said:
"Ryan Warhol (I know he's on here, just don't know his name) is taking them as a 750 dollar trade-in towards a 3800 series II swap"


Then you said:
"I'm leaving the forum."

No comment

You also said:"To the people I have been PMing back and forth with who have not actually paid for your parts yet, consider the transaction canceled with my apologies."

Are you sure you are 18 that was a childish comment? (I'm assuming the people you were canceling deals with had nothing to do with the comments that hurt your feelings) People are being mean to me so I'm going to take my ball and go home. wahhhh
Of course I don't know if you really did this your stories fluctuate by the minute

and you said:
"And to Cliff Pennock, if you should happen across this thread, feel free to delete my account. I won't be back."

Opportunity missed

Then you said:
And also, for those of you that have asked, I ended up getting about 800 for the wheels plus a gauge cluster after I sold the other part I got in the deal aside from the cash.
Oh, also forgot to add a last sidenote. The guy that bought the wheels from me ended up selling them on Ebay. He got 600 bucks even for them as I recall.

Everyone here knew they were on Ebay. If they were worth a fortune why didn't some of your advisers bid higher than $600 after all they were supposed to be worth more than $300 each?

Just curious, does this mean you shafted Ryan for another offer too or did the terms change?

Then you said:
Speaking of Ebay, my ID is supergeeksdeals

Thanks for the heads up. I might have accidentally bought something from you if I didn't know.

If you can reflect over this transaction and you feel that everyone who thinks that you handled this poorly is an idiot or not a good person then I would be proud to be on that list.

On a side note:
I did put myself through college and I think I can honestly say that I would never have done what you did in the same situation? I guess I was raised different than you.
I have sold a few parts on here. Just because I saw someone needed them. I actually had one that I priced to someone then found out (before being paid) the going price was triple what I asked. I never even mentioned it to the buyer. I sold it for the price I quoted.
Also, I am on this forum to give (and receive) help with my Fieros not to see how much money these guys are willing to pay for parts I got at "next to nothing".
If you ever post questions in other forums and I know the answer I'll be glad to help (as long as it has nothing to do with buying or selling). Although you may not want to consider an answer from an idiot.

All in all you seem to have accomplished your goal. Everyone got shafted but you.

Maybe this thread should be closed but it doesn't belong in the trash. It directly demonstrates the ethics of an active seller on this forum.

I doubt that I will be posting in this thread again I think I stated all I had to say.

Now I will get down off my soapbox.