Do you have pics of the battery box

i do have it but photos are going to do any good . i laid a few more layer of fiber glass on to get stronger ( it would flex out about 1 or 2 mm with the weight of my hand sit on the part the battery sits on ) only to find out the angle of lips doesn't match the metal lip and plastic spare tire tray . cant show that with out pulling box i made i myself out and all the bs . i don't have any stake in it so it doesn't matter that much to me to spend a day to prove it doesn't fit .

quote Originally posted by AutoTech: Yet NOBODY has given her negative feedback, not even a negative rating? Whats up with that?

How about everyone who has paid, sending details like date, method and amount to a one person for compilation? A grand total would be most interesting.

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I guess some people too busy ki$$ing her a$$, to realize that they were allowing other people to be easily influenced into loosing their money.

2 years for anything is completely unreasonable especially when your paying in advance.

It appears that the posting with all my complaints, when she sent me the junk windows over 2 years ago, was archived.

I could not believe the comments on this forum about how good she is, especially given her track record on producing items.

Needless to say there are limitations on civil claims and it appears that she has managed to evade and elude, the majority and thus you cannot file any claims for monitary compensation.

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Once she offered me a refund
But i told her that was not the point i wanted the windows so i refused ( should had accept )
I have all the mail , Paypal paper , everything related to this even a few threatening Pm's i received from some peoples over here .
Specially when i posted that i had given up on these and put a pic of the ( Sharky quarter windows) that i bought from FieroFan in Germany and got delivered at home a week and a half after ordering .
So for those IVANHOE of the modern times are you ready to send me back my money ?
Don't know her .
Just give me the quarter i paid for or my money MISS LORI
Ask anybody i dealt with on this forum how much i always paid good and sent pieces to them .

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quote Originally posted by Robert 2: Do you have pics of the battery box

Here is one. Not only is it thin as a penny they are warped and will not fit correctly.

I can push on the sides and bottom and they give under a small amount of pressure. Now imagine the wieght of a battery in that box. It would fall right through if I hit a bump, which roads being roads will happen.

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87 Fiero GT
Yellow / Grey Interior
T-Top, 11.26" brakes, Lowered 2"
Whaletail, Mecham Scoops, ZR2 Scoop
T/A Fender Vents, Mr. Mikes, Much Much More

86 SE Red
Z-28 Blister Scoops
3400 SFI w/ 4T45E auto 4 spd in progress

2007 Dodge Charger R/T
Hemi powered 5 spd

2008 Dodge 2500HD
6.7 CTD 6 spd

Formerly FieroGT87

that is how mine looked but i had a lot of air pockets in sides and bends with being so thin isn't safe at all . peaple has allway stood up for her i was told quit b!tching and put a layer of glass on it .

quote Originally posted by fierobrian: that is how mine looked but i had a lot of air pockets in sides and bends with being so thin isn't safe at all . peaple has allway stood up for her i was told quit b!tching and put a layer of glass on it .

Hi wish i was that close to her .

I don't buy things new just so I can fix them, it just isn't going to happen. If you bought something new from a store and it was broke I guarantee most of you would be back there in a heart beat wanting your money back.

There are plenty of people here on the forum that make quality products, rrunner, Darrell Morse, Fibersmith, Mizer, Paul McKibben, PaulV, WCF, The Fiero Store, Aus, Norm, Archie, RCC, Held and many more than I can remember over my 7 years here, but she isn't one of them.

Don't leave out Rodney as one of our Fiero heroes.

Thank God I found a set of new OEMs i had. I need them to finish a GT I'm doing. I was stressing that I would have to buy some of the semi Flat ones.

Maybe I should use this OEM set as a template and have a manufacturer in Cali make them. I have spoken to several manufactures out here and all seemed to think it wouldn't be a problem. Only they would need an order of 5000 sets. None would charge a penny if the run came out bad. I really don't see enough interest to make that many though so maybe these little manufacturers in Alabama are the only ones that will do small projects.

Really sucks because I would love to have a few sets on the shelf just to know I had them for future projects.

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Get Miss Lori in touch with them

First and foremost...all respect to Ms. Lori and her many attempts to tackle this project. I've been watching this for 2 years and actually had communication with her wayyyyy back, but haven't seen anything much of progress in the last 6 months.

Can I ask an honest question? With all the amazing artisans and craftsman on this forum alone, has no one tried to make a set of near OEM quality quarter windows through other means? Is there someone with enough experience who could simply lay out the physical challenge of fit, function, and curves...identify the type of material required and present to the GROUP so we can individually go off and make calls around the country to figure out how to resolve...each reporting back and building up from each others progress?

We seem to be able to solve all previous challenges with "group think" power when it comes to anything else...I'm just wondering what is it about this particular part that keeps us from figuring this one out?

Here's what I'm at least willing to do...I'm gonna start searching the forum archives and capture every aspect or comment that has been made on these windows figure out what the challenge really is. Unless someone else is close enough that can summarize already,...then as a group, can't we combine experience, resources, and ingenuity to find a solution? Easier said than done, but what do we have to loose?

Blkcofy

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quote Originally posted by blkcofy: First and foremost...all respect to Ms. Lori and her many attempts to tackle this project. I've been watching this for 2 years and actually had communication with her wayyyyy back, but haven't seen anything much of progress in the last 6 months. Can I ask an honest question? With all the amazing artisans and craftsman on this forum alone, has no one tried to make a set of near OEM quality quarter windows through other means? Is there someone with enough experience who could simply lay out the physical challenge of fit, function, and curves...identify the type of material required and present to the GROUP so we can individually go off and make calls around the country to figure out how to resolve...each reporting back and building up from each others progress? We seem to be able to solve all previous challenges with "group think" power when it comes to anything else...I'm just wondering what is it about this particular part that keeps us from figuring this one out? Here's what I'm at least willing to do...I'm gonna start searching the forum archives and capture every aspect or comment that has been made on these windows figure out what the challenge really is. Unless someone else is close enough that can summarize already,...then as a group, can't we combine experience, resources, and ingenuity to find a solution? Easier said than done, but what do we have to loose? Blkcofy

I agree, there has to be a way to do these in the different colors and custom easier than they did 24 years ago.

quote Originally posted by blkcofy: ...haven't seen anything much of progress in the last 6 months. Can I ask an honest question? With all the amazing artisans and craftsman on this forum alone, has no one tried to make a set of near OEM quality quarter windows through other means? Is there someone with enough experience who could simply lay out the physical challenge of fit, function, and curves...identify the type of material required and present to the GROUP so we can individually go off and make calls around the country to figure out how to resolve...each reporting back and building up from each others progress? We seem to be able to solve all previous challenges with "group think" power when it comes to anything else...I'm just wondering what is it about this particular part that keeps us from figuring this one out? Here's what I'm at least willing to do...I'm gonna start searching the forum archives and capture every aspect or comment that has been made on these windows figure out what the challenge really is. Unless someone else is close enough that can summarize already,...then as a group, can't we combine experience, resources, and ingenuity to find a solution? Easier said than done, but what do we have to loose? Blkcofy

If this is the route we are taking, how about getting information and tooling from Lori??? Those of us who have paid could kick in a bit less in funds. With a team effort the roadblocks can be over come. I for one have years of manufacturing engineering experience and a lot of contacts. If someone trusted could hold the purse we could all come out ahead on this. 5,000 sets is not a lot. Americans throw away 2.5 million water bottles per hour. At a retail price of ~$150 we could sell 4,000 sets and have the other 1,000 for free.

quote Originally posted by SEGT-86: If this is the route we are taking, how about getting information and tooling from Lori??? Those of us who have paid could kick in a bit less in funds. With a team effort the roadblocks can be over come. I for one have years of manufacturing engineering experience and a lot of contacts. If someone trusted could hold the purse we could all come out ahead on this. 5,000 sets is not a lot. Americans throw away 2.5 million water bottles per hour. At a retail price of ~$150 we could sell 4,000 sets and have the other 1,000 for free.

I already tried to buy her out to try and save her but she was convinced she had a handle on her people. Maybe she does or soon will. Who knows.

Who would you sell 4000 sets to?

I don`t know much about these windows, but I wonder, as for the other people who are making them, how are they forming them that makes them come out flat instead of curved like from the factory. I used to work at a business that made hot tubs and they had a vacuum system that pulled heated Lexan over a form and it would conform to the mould quite well. I wonder how much difference there is in forming these windows and if it is indeed that or is the harder part making and applying the graphics to them.

I don't mean to insult any of the suggestions in here, but "contacting Lori to ask about tooling and manufacturing" is beyond pointless. Lets forget for a minute that she has lost the ability to both make or return phone calls and type on a computer with an internet connection, but do you honestly think she will just pass along what she knows after she supposedly spent a bit of her money trying to make these herself? I think it is a waste of time to even try to contact her to say Happy Birthday, Christmas, or anything else for that matter.

Lets just assume she was lost at sea 6 moths ago and the survival chances are low.

Honestly, Molding these things is not a problem. If I had about $800.00 to spend on the tooling and starting materials I could make blanks myself. I have seen friends use Kiln's and Vaccumm molds to make far more intricate shapes with trickier matierals. That isn't the problem. The trick is finding a screener who can do the grafics on a curved piece of plastic.

Before trying to make tooling, buy materials or spend a single dime I would first find and lock down a screener who is as sure as a contract on a piece of paper that they can deliver screening on the curved windows. I would take an OEM window from shop to shop and let them see exactly what they must duplicate.

Thing is i've already lost my money there .
Bought some ( Sharky grills) from FieroFan , they are nice but you have to sand and paint .
So i'm fixed for now , but i would rather like to have the real one .

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: I already tried to buy her out to try and save her but she was convinced she had a handle on her people. Maybe she does or soon will. Who knows. Who would you sell 4000 sets to?

40,477 Aero Fast Backs built. and every one still on the road needs a set.

quote Originally posted by SEGT-86: 40,477 Aero Fast Backs built. and every one still on the road needs a set.

You make a good point. all those owners are going to need them. Eventually the demand will push someone who is truly committed to making them. SAdly I suspect this thread has detered many from thinking about starting for 2 years now. 2 years that could possibly have seen them completed by someone serious who would not have felt they had a competing maker ahead of them in the process...

quote Originally posted by FieroMonkey: You make a good point. all those owners are going to need them. Eventually the demand will push someone who is truly committed to making them. SAdly I suspect this thread has detered many from thinking about starting for 2 years now. 2 years that could possibly have seen them completed by someone serious who would not have felt they had a competing maker ahead of them in the process...

I have an appointment Wed to do an evaluation on costs for production. If it is profitable in the least I would do it but I won't even consider it if it doesn't pay for it self and my time. So far it doesn't seem to be a problem after talking to two different shops today. Both think it would be better to use a plastic called "pete" . I am told it is a cross between lexan and acrylic. Screen printing guy that works with both shops seems to think he can set up a jig to do the curve. All of them won't charge a penny unless they pass inspection. Maybe there are some really hard problems to figure out but from the initial response it seems to be easy. That scares me. Anything easy turns out to be hell. We should see some better more accurate answers in the coming week.

I got an email from Lori!

Actually, I'm going to post here everything she wrote, since in my email to her I mentioned I'd pass along good news if there was any.


I called the Fiero Factory yesterday (Tuesday the 12th), and lo and behold Lori was there and they let me speak to her. I'd called in the past and was never allowed to talk to her. Upon hearing that my call was in regards to the windows, she sounded a little annoyed and said she doesn't talk about personal projects at work. She suggested I email her, but I mentioned that I (and apparently others) have emailed her with no responses. She promised she'd respond as soon as she got home.

The response was long. Here it is in a nutshell. The original printer had become ill, and as mentioned previously she had taken the windows to another shop. This new guy gave her the runaround, so upon dropping in unexpectedly and finding no progress she packed them all up and took them back to the first printer was has been recovering apparently. Since then she has been working with him to get them printed but her van broke down and she had to buy another one, and she mentioned some personal problems as well.

That's the message. No estimates as to a completion date but she said she hasn't given up. She's not dead or washed out to sea or whatever else we were thinking. I don't feel intrusive for calling her at work - I believe it was Fiero Monkey who said it best: As long as she has our money, she's obligated to either provide the completed windows, an estimated completion date, or a refund. No one likes the silence. Hopefully she can come online and post some news too. I'm not a spokesman on her behalf, just a guy who has already paid and gets nervous when there is no news.

But what about people that no longer want her to have their money? I want my money back! PM me Lori and I will give you the info on how to get money into my account. Thanks!

I think that's all a load of -something-, whether it's true or not.
My $.10 is that she needs to give everyone their money back, ASAP. They deserve no less. 2 years!?! Then, if she were to ever get the windows done, all those would get first dibs, once they were ready to ship out, if they still wanted to buy them from her.

At this point I wouldn't buy them from her even if she did finish them. It's just plain rude to keep paying customers in the dark and to hang on to the money for that long. Refunds have been offered once, but not any time recently. People want their money back and haven't got it yet.
I hope it all works out for everybody, but I'm going to buy mine elsewhere.

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quote

Can someone offer these in fiberglass or CF?

Thanks,
Paul

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1988 Fiero
3800SC Series 1 w/5spd
Coilovers
18's w/Pirellis
Corvette Dash Mod

1985 GT
1986 Notchie
1987 Notchie

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JimmyS made those, I think they are the only set around. He just cut the cracked clear section out and wrapped them in convertable top material.

Having an OEM Sail panel scanned dimensionally now into a computer format. Once we have and accurate 3D image for exact curvatures to original then we can start to see how many pieces can be made out of different size sheets. That is when I will actually be able to crunch some numbers. I don't see any problems yet and I have spoken to both the formers and the printers. They are excited about the project and since talking to them I have started another project not having to do with cars. This one will actually make money so even if these sailpanels are not worth doing I am really happy I looked into it.


One thing is the originals seem to have a green tint (gives it a glass look) to them and to reproduce that it may need to be done in 30/30 Acrylic.
Acrylic is hard and doesn't scratch like polycarb but it also can't take the impact polycarb can.

Also found out that we should never use an alcohol based cleaner like windex to clean them. It enters the porous surface and causing the crazing or cracking we get.

quote Originally posted by War Hammer: Can someone offer these in fiberglass or CF? Thanks, Paul

Working on it.

And yes this is the only set around.

quote Originally posted by JimmyS: Working on it. And yes this is the only set around.

Holy snap that is sexy.

quote Originally posted by 1986 Fiero GT: Holy snap that is sexy.

Thank you. Sometime after the Daytona show, these may be available. Not for certain but I am entertaining the idea of producing these in fiberglass. If I proceed with them, they will be available 2 ways... As seen (covered with black convertable top material) and just plain fiberglass. No emblems will be provided. I would like to keep cost to buyer as low as possible but still be able to make a few bucks for myself.

At this point in time I have no idea what they will cost me or the buyer so I don't want to start any kind of for sale thread yet. Once I have the figures worked out I will start a gauging interest thread and if interest is there then I will proceed further.

quote Originally posted by JimmyS: Thank you. Sometime after the Daytona show, these may be available. Not for certain but I am entertaining the idea of producing these in fiberglass. If I proceed with them, they will be available 2 ways... As seen (covered with black convertable top material) and just plain fiberglass. No emblems will be provided. I would like to keep cost to buyer as low as possible but still be able to make a few bucks for myself. At this point in time I have no idea what they will cost me or the buyer so I don't want to start any kind of for sale thread yet. Once I have the figures worked out I will start a gauging interest thread and if interest is there then I will proceed further.

I am definitely interested! Put me down for a set in plain fiberglass please.

~Paul

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1988 Fiero
3800SC Series 1 w/5spd
Coilovers
18's w/Pirellis
Corvette Dash Mod

1985 GT
1986 Notchie
1987 Notchie

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I'm watching this closely since my GT desperately needs sail panels before I paint it and I'm only three miles from Pokey. I sure hope it works out!

OK I started a gauging interest thread here
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/069526.html#p1

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Having an OEM Sail panel scanned dimensionally now into a computer format. Once we have and accurate 3D image for exact curvatures to original then we can start to see how many pieces can be made out of different size sheets. That is when I will actually be able to crunch some numbers. I don't see any problems yet and I have spoken to both the formers and the printers. They are excited about the project and since talking to them I have started another project not having to do with cars. This one will actually make money so even if these sailpanels are not worth doing I am really happy I looked into it. One thing is the originals seem to have a green tint (gives it a glass look) to them and to reproduce that it may need to be done in 30/30 Acrylic. Acrylic is hard and doesn't scratch like polycarb but it also can't take the impact polycarb can. Also found out that we should never use an alcohol based cleaner like windex to clean them. It enters the porous surface and causing the crazing or cracking we get.

Three cheers for pokey. It appears to me he is on the right track. These things are NOT rocket science. Good info on the cleaner. Keep up the good work!!! Keep us posted on progress, Please.

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