Wow I just read those threads.
What a bummer. Oh well We need Sail panels so they have to be made. I might as well be the one that takes the hit.
It must happen.

quote Originally posted by IMSA GT: So what we have here is a lying sack of $hit that has had an excuse for EVERY ONE of her products as to why they were not completed from people retiring, dying, or quitting.....the story is always the same. I don't think anyone will be buying from her again.

I wish I'd known about her past endeavors before sending her any money.

Exactly how many people have paid for this project? Myself and Robert 2; how about Wisconsin GT?

Any others?

Again, I would like to remind the list that we only paid because she emailed those of us on the mailing list and said she was ready to accept payment, with "shipping later in the week". I have all my emails saved. I wonder if I could pursue legal action.

Lori, if you can't get them printed just give us the windows unprinted. That is, if they even exist.

quote Originally posted by css9450: I wish I'd known about her past endeavors before sending her any money. Exactly how many people have paid for this project? Myself and Robert 2; how about Wisconsin GT? Any others? Again, I would like to remind the list that we only paid because she emailed those of us on the mailing list and said she was ready to accept payment, with "shipping later in the week". I have all my emails saved. I wonder if I could pursue legal action. Lori, if you can't get them printed just give us the windows unprinted. That is, if they even exist.

I paid same as above, and agree on every point. What can we do?

For my part i don't know i live in Canada maybe a 1,000 miles from her
and i don't know if i can can take legal action between 2 countrys .
And sure will cost me more than the price .
I'm better save my money and get the ones that are coming ( maybe ) .
And if you go with small claims , it's sure gonna cost more .
Had a guy who caught me for 5 Grand had 3 judgement on him ended up costing me another 3 Grand and never received a penny from him . Bailiff , days lost at work and all the expenses .

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...ash=item310033552490


Has anyone ever bought these?
Are they good repros?

They look decent from the pictures though I have no idea what they are made of or if the have the correct curves. I would like to know because if they are good I don't see any point in putting a more expensive versian out on the market!

The dot matrix does not look exact but that isn't so noticable and I don't know if they are acrylic.

Andrew, you have a PM.
As to the other alternatives available..the ones I bought (NOT the ones from Modernman) look pretty nice, but are made from very flimsy and thin acrylic.Although adequate as an alternative to crazed or broken sailpanels, they are not something I would use again in future, if I am doing a pretty comprehensive body refurbishment. I too would, if times are financially favourable in the near future, be glad to order a pair from you.( Yes..wouldn´t we all, if times were favourable )
Nick

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...ash=item310033552490 Has anyone ever bought these? Are they good repros? They look decent from the pictures though I have no idea what they are made of or if the have the correct curves. I would like to know because if they are good I don't see any point in putting a more expensive versian out on the market! The dot matrix does not look exact but that isn't so noticable and I don't know if they are acrylic.

i have seen these. actually I had an 88 GT that had a set of them on. Honestly I sold the car because of the way the windows made the whole car look. they look good not on the car like in the ebay pics, but they have no overall curve other than the front rolled edge. and when they are on the car you can tell they dont look right. the dot matrix looks bad enough by itself, but because it doesn't match the windshield or back window dot matrix it looks even worse. and the wavy and disfigured reflections off the surface of the entire window looks in my opinion cheap, like something on a toy replica of a Fiero. It makes the whole car look like a kit car replica of a fiero instead of a finished gm production car.

these may be great for some people, and they are probably better than no windows at all, but i like parts that don't look after market and half assed. these look like both to me in spades. just my opinion though.

Please do us all a favor and make some of the windows you have been talking about that dont blow huge chunks of ass like everything currently available does.

quote Originally posted by FieroMonkey: Please do us all a favor and make some of the windows you have been talking about that dont blow huge chunks of ass like everything currently available does.

Check. No chunks of ass. I got that written down.

As a matter of fact I will forward that to the molders.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Check. No chunks of ass. I got that written down. As a matter of fact I will forward that to the molders.

lol.... you slay me

quote Originally posted by css9450: Exactly how many people have paid for this project? Myself and Robert 2; how about Wisconsin GT? Any others? Again, I would like to remind the list that we only paid because she emailed those of us on the mailing list and said she was ready to accept payment, with "shipping later in the week". I have all my emails saved. I wonder if I could pursue legal action.

Originally I had also paid for a set, but when nothing more was said about the shipping and no answer to my emails, I called the bank and had them issue a charge back and got my money back - so you can't really count me in on the group that lost money, but I did initially buy them...

How long after you did this move ??
And if there is something possible to do with a group count me in too.

quote Originally posted by Robert 2: How long after you did this move ?? And if there is something possible to do with a group count me in too.

...if you are refering to me, it was about 2-3 months after initial payment (don't remember the exact time frame as it's been some time), started a PayPal dispute and after about a week (no reply) said screw it and called the bank.

I thought I had waited long enough considering they were "ready to ship".

Anyways, hope the 'new' batch works out as I am still in need of a set (too bad I am too fussy about the 'original look' or I would have just bought a set from one of the other vendors).

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Whatever people decide to do is none of my business but I would like to remind or inform that Lori didn't steal your money as a thief nor did she do anything out of malice. Also I would point out that she has lost a tremendous amount of money.
I am as confused as the rest as to how she got to this situation given that she has actually produced finished product but can't seem to do it again.

I am very sorry the way things have gone for her but I do understand how some will have to hold her accountable as she owes them money. It is just a really sad situation.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: I am as confused as the rest as to how she got to this situation given that she has actually produced finished product but can't seem to do it again.

Yep, my thoughts as well. There has to be an interesting story told. I bet there had to be some sort of disagreement with the company that made them for her.

In any event, I am watching this thread with closely, as I really want some original looking quarter windows for my car.

quote Originally posted by topcat: ...I bet there had to be some sort of disagreement with the company that made them for her. ...

The disagreement was with her partner, who did much (if not all) of the fabrication. He also did the fabrication of most of the fiberglass pieces that became "no longer available", as well as (I believe) the eccentric but meticulously engineered and constructed vehicles that used to show up at the swap meet.
As the story goes, they parted company over a disagreement about the first batch of windows. Unknown to her, some substandard ones got shipped. (Sloppy printing, poor quality control, etc.)
After the falling out, she was determined to find another "commercial" fabricator and make a go of this.
The rest, as they say, is history.
I really thought she was going to succeed, too.

I still have a set of tinted windows from the first batch, in my shop.

So nice but that doesn't bring back our money .

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Whatever people decide to do is none of my business but I would like to remind or inform that Lori didn't steal your money as a thief nor did she do anything out of malice. Also I would point out that she has lost a tremendous amount of money.

No one believes she "stole our money" intentionally, but the hole she has been digging for herself since then has been made about 1000 times worse by the total lack of communication from her. She hasn't posted here in six months, doesn't return emails, and can't be reached by phone unless we call her at work (and then she won't talk about it at work). Somehow I find the time to check this forum twice a day; I don't know why she can't.

Hmmm, re-reading what I wrote some may tend to believe she DID steal the money.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Whatever people decide to do is none of my business but I would like to remind or inform that Lori didn't steal your money as a thief nor did she do anything out of malice. Also I would point out that she has lost a tremendous amount of money.

I don't think she did steal the money, and in all honesty, if she started to sell the windows tomorrow, I would probably buy a set. The big issue here is her silence and as such is taking the full brunt of the complaints instead of her 'partner'. It's too easy to become a target when you remain silent and are the front man.

Of course, this does help 'all' those that have lost money on this venture...

Bump for news from PokeyFiero

quote Originally posted by sjmaye: Bump for news from PokeyFiero

Been nothing to report really.
I had to get my old broken butt out of bed at 5:30 this morning so I could meet with my former. We decided to send the mold work out to another shop that specializes in molds because his work load would have put the project out another 4 weeks. This will allow for the former to install a larger thermo former in the shop and get caught back up with out my project skipping a beat.
So Today I arranged things with the molder, the former and I am working with the printer also.

All party's involved work together on a regular basis and know each other well so they all really communicate and work as a team.
All of Lori's mistakes have made me cautious about every step of the project and about who I hire and their qualifications.
Right now I have a hell of a team and the combined experience is overwhelming when it comes to problem solving. You just can't beat professional experience no matter what the costs. Better to buy the best and do the job once. I really enjoy working with these guys. I learn stuff about their business every time We talk about one thing or another. The more I know about their capabilities the more I am able to use them.

Goes to show you kiddies looking to make yer first Million... its not as easy as it looks... people Lie like rugs... and i think that is what she was up against... every one promised and lied just to get her bucks,, she is in an area that any $ is Fine Lie or Not... I got My GT panels from her but it was a strain i could see... guess big bucks is just something not everyone can achieve... i know i tryed and now iam almost on welfare because i trusted people in the bussiness world...NEVER TRUST ANYONE With Your Monry...SHE GOT BURNED TO A crisp iam sure...it was not her intent. Best wishes Lori thanks for the effort...

quote Originally posted by wayman: ...NEVER TRUST ANYONE With Your Monry...SHE GOT BURNED TO A crisp iam sure...it was not her intent. Best wishes Lori thanks for the effort...

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Right now I have a hell of a team and the combined experience is overwhelming when it comes to problem solving. You just can't beat professional experience no matter what the costs. Better to buy the best and do the job once.

Everyone on this board, will at one time in their life, be required to trust someone with their money. But taking everything with a grain of salt...

Any updates?

quote Originally posted by topcat: Any updates?

My Albino Oscar committed suicide(jumped out the tank) and I mowed my lawn today.
Oh! Also I saw a fellow at the store lose his pants for second. He was one of those unique individuals that has to use one hand to hold up his baggy ass pants.
Very cool those baggy pants. Maybe pawn some of that fake gold for a belt or Levi's.

Let's see what else happened today? ... My turtle dug a hole under the walkway causing my dog to dig a big ass hole in the lawn.

Sounds like an eventful day. Hope tomorrow goes better for ya.
Oh, I'd like a set of these when you're satisfied with the results. Thanks.

Everything is going fine. It is costing a ton of money.
I could have ten grand into this by the time I turn out the first 100.
I have no idea how Lori did this with out financial backing. I do recall she had all her cars up for pawn though.

CNC machining of the aluminum blocks is almost done. We plan on doing some testing for shrinkage beyond already defined amounts. I will use those few test panels to let the computer adjust for distortion on the screen printing. After that if all goes well they can be turned out for a reasonable cost.
I figure 60 to 90 sets to break even. That may take awhile but hopefully no more than a couple years. I will run an initial 100 sets and see how it goes.

I have learned so much about manufacturing and the people that do this stuff. I think that no matter what this will be a profitable venture just from what I have learned and now know what can be done. One thing I know is it isn't easy. It is a time consuming thing to manufacture something but once you know it isn't impossible it gets easy to spend that time doing it.

I think this may have been one of the best investments for the Fiero vendor, outside of body molds. I'll be up for a set when the time comes. Thanks for the update.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: I figure 60 to 90 sets to break even. That may take awhile but hopefully no more than a couple years. I will run an initial 100 sets and see how it goes.

Depending on the ultimate cost I really don't think it will take long to sell this many sets. All else fails put them on ebay. Lesser sail panels are being sold there all day long.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: I have no idea how Lori did this with out financial backing.

I think her backing came from the people who sent her money after she promised "shipping later in the week".

quote Originally posted by css9450: I think her backing came from the people who sent her money after she promised "shipping later in the week".

RIGHT ON

Here is some pics when the machine first started. I can't make heads or tails of what is going on. THe machine doesn't say much. It just does its thing.

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What do they do with all of those chips? Recycle them?

Double post-Please delete

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BUMP! Woot Woot! Count me in! I'm just glad I didnt send money off to Lori. Almost did.