quote Originally posted by fieromadman: I'm just glad I didnt send money off to Lori. Almost did.

I am glad I did. No, I did not receive any either but she tried. Someone needed to and I am glad I helped. If not for her efforts perhaps Pokey would not have picked up the ball.
Pokey, count me in for a set.

Wow! Those are looking really nice!! Do you think that you will be able to offer them tinted in blue and red? I don't need a set anymore because I ended up with the window scoops from the Fiero Store, but my daughter might like a set in blue, and my son a set in red!! Although we still have a decent set of factory ones...going to put them on my son's car after it is painted. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, I requested my money back from my set and got it after waiting a month or more.

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WOW, that looks super cool. I dig the "action" shots as well. Very well played.

--Allen

What kind of mill is that you have it on? What are you using to program it with. I program in Mastercam and run a Haas VF1

quote Originally posted by Amethyst: Wow! Those are looking really nice!! Do you think that you will be able to offer them tinted in blue and red? I don't need a set anymore because I ended up with the window scoops from the Fiero Store, but my daughter might like a set in blue, and my son a set in red!! Although we still have a decent set of factory ones...going to put them on my son's car after it is painted. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones, I requested my money back from my set and got it after waiting a month or more.

After I get at least the first 100 OEMs if it isn't a big deal I will see about different tints. I am not saying I will be able to do this. I don't see why not but it isn't my goal so it will take a back burner to regular OEM panels.

Several people have asked for different tints and I would like to accomadate people as best as I can.

quote Originally posted by can machine: What kind of mill is that you have it on? What are you using to program it with. I program in Mastercam and run a Haas VF1

I don't know what kind of machine this is but it is very large.
The software is not info I want to divulge at least not right now. I will say it is accurate to a point it will reproduce the OEM flaws and imperfections. Most of the imperfections and the edges will actually be fixed and smother due to the hand polishing of the molds and the final computer controlled trimming and again hand polishing.
The originals came out of a cast and went to a pad screen printer then a hand grinder for final debur and clip removal.

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: I don't know what kind of machine this is but it is very large.

That's all we need to know.

Interesting project. I hope it all works out.

Pokey...your doing a great job !!

I wish you success with project. I definitly sure you'll make a profit with these windows. In any business; it takes money to make money.

I don't see why fiero enthusiasts wouldn't buy themselves a set. I would be in for a set.

fierogt28

Pokey, if you're making a list of people who want a set when they're ready, you can add my name to it.

Oh.... a thought you were a fellow machinist. Thats why I asked. I was thinking of doing a similar project like yours, but I just don't have the time. I hope it turns out well.

quote Originally posted by can machine: Oh.... a thought you were a fellow machinist. Thats why I asked. I was thinking of doing a similar project like yours, but I just don't have the time. I hope it turns out well.

Well damn it I don't have time either! You should have done it!

I'm no machinist. That would be way to much like work and responsibility for me. I just want to have fun making money.

Miss Lori was at the Fiero Factory swap meet selling some blems .
Don't know why she doesn't offer them to the one that have already paid for the real ones .
And i know she work there .

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I was at the swap meet and had a long conversation with Lori about the windows. Yes, she had some blems to sell, but they were left overs from last year. She does not want to send these to anyone as quality windows, since they have various issues like out of alignment graphics, leading edge curvature that is not consistent, etc.
She has had consistent problems with the molding shop producing a consistent quality product, and then the graphics shop applying the correctly spaced graphics. She has not given up and is continuing to pursue completion of this product, despite multiple financial setbacks (from this project and other personal issues). She feels that any response she makes to the forum will result in continuing negative response. ( currently, she does not have a internet connection)
I did not discuss the issues of those who have invested and have not received product, but she has intentions of completing this project and fill all orders. I can't say if it will happen, but she asked me to post this update, and said that as soon as she can get these done, they will be available, and orders filled. Based on what I am hearing, I do not believe she is in any financial condition to create cash refunds at this time.
And, yes, she does work for Ed Parks, but Ed is very specific, the window project has nothing to do with Ed's Fiero factory, so any calls or correspondence to or through Ed will not be acknowledged.
My personal feeling is that she is sincere in getting this done. Whether it will happen or not, is questionable. She has spent a lot of $$ trying! If you have any furthur, be glad to answer direct, since I do not check this thread very often. paulv@xnet.com

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Thanks for the infos .

Interesting situation.
Lori has molds and could technically produce product at any time. Why she hasn't or doesn't is beyond me.
I am not able to produce finished product and won't be able to for a bit longer. If Lori is going to now make them I have no choice but to proceed as I have an almost complete production assembly created. I never intended to create a competing sailpanel project but at this point I am going to finish it. I have spared no expense in getting these done and will have ten grand into this when done. It makes no sense for both parties to have invested in OEM replicas but it may be that is the case.
If we end up having both on the market at once I will probably sell the whole setup to a retailer to run to recoup my funds. My interest is just to produce them so we have them. I have no interest in running a competing business.


Either way on Thursday I hope to get the mold to the thermo guys so they can start to get it dialed in. It will be interesting to watch as they figure out what it takes to get it right.

Pokey for heavens sake PLEASE dont believe for a second any part of MsLori's latest yarn. Nice as it was of Paulv to pass a message along for her, i can see how she is already potentially fraying at the possibility of someone else making these desperately needed windows. whether she intended to or not i can not guess.

Perhaps someone can pass this message along to her....

At this point i think it would be better for everyone if Lori simply stopped talking to anyone about 'her' phantom windows. Over a year ago she traveled a few solar systems past anything resembling integrity or dependability concerning the business of these windows. Any laughable news such as this most recent tale of hers, and there have been a few of these given in parking lots and swaps over the last year or more, regarding the prospect of these windows of hers ever happening does nothing but discourage those like Pokey who are serious about making their own windows, it also gives false hope to the poor folks whos money she has flushed, and doesn't have the decent sense (or awareness of her legal obligation) to contact regarding their delinquent orders.

Nice lady or not, her 'fault' or not, her own lack of good sense in the time after the failure is square on her shoulders. And make no mistake her venture is a failure.

She should have the good sense to be quiet about it to EVERYONE, and have the 'balls' to be honest when she is cornered in public to say, 'ya, it failed, I am probably not going to make this happen'.

On behalf of Fiero owners everywhere who really need these windows Lori, please step aside once and for all and let more sensible and committed people get it done. Two years of false claims is long enough....

P.S. I am no business man, but it would seem the right thing for her to do with the money she apparently is STILL making from the blems would be to; pay back the people who ordered her windows and want refunds.

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P.S. I am no business man, but it would seem the right thing for her to do with the money she apparently is STILL making from the blems would be to; pay back the people who ordered her windows and want refunds.


Well said

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: My interest is just to produce them so we have them. I have no interest in running a competing business.

A good gesture, but my nightmare is that the mold would go underground after sold to a distributor and I'd never get a set. Please do everything in your power to distribute several runs before handing it off.

There is no shame in succeeding where others have failed. We all know what your intentions were. Anyone who thinks your stepping on Lori's needs to think twice, we want windows, am I right? Carry on Mr. Bowditch!

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quote Originally posted by Robert 2: P.S. I am no business man, but it would seem the right thing for her to do with the money she apparently is STILL making from the blems would be to; pay back the people who ordered her windows and want refunds. Well said

Agreed. My Dad is retired and on a fixed income. He only ordered a set after she e-mailed him and said an A+ set would be shipped out within a week of receiving his payment. He held up his end, she did not.

This is real easy. I'd like to officially start the list for Pokey for people who are either DEFINITELY WILL BUY (90% likely) a set from him or PROBABLY WILL BUY (75% likely) a set, with the base assumption that the price (not including shipping) is less than say...$300. I'm pretty sure it will be less, based on the data so far, but instead of the "depends on the price", let's assume for a moment the max it will cost is $300 and that these are NOT tinted, or colored but straight up OEM windows with better than factory graphics. If you require anything else but the basic design, then do not add your name and maybe Lori will make a custom set for you!

So again, for those that are DWB or PWB (This is called a top 2 box survey) please respond to this part of the quote and add your name. This will at least give Pokey the reassurance that his courageous efforts will NOT be in vain and keep him from selling his master piece to someone less scrupulous.

POKEYFIERO OEM GT WINDOWS


1. BLKCOFY (DWB) 1 Set
2.
3.
4.

Are they going to have the GT logos? Either way I'm in 99%.

quote Originally posted by blkcofy: POKEYFIERO OEM GT WINDOWS 1. BLKCOFY (DWB) 1 Set 2. Emc209i (DWB) 1 Set 3. 4.

That's an OEM window on top of the mold. Oh, I see now where he said append to the quote. My mistake.

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DWB

DWB

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quote Originally posted by blkcofy: POKEYFIERO OEM GT WINDOWS

1. BLKCOFY (DWB) 1 Set
2. Emc209i (DWB) 1 Set
3. Jefrysuko (DWB)
4. AkursedX (DWB)

DWB

Oh boy!
You know it is really Blkcofy's fault I even started this.

quote Originally posted by blkcofy: First and foremost...all respect to Ms. Lori and her many attempts to tackle this project. I've been watching this for 2 years and actually had communication with her wayyyyy back, but haven't seen anything much of progress in the last 6 months. Can I ask an honest question? With all the amazing artisans and craftsman on this forum alone, has no one tried to make a set of near OEM quality quarter windows through other means? Is there someone with enough experience who could simply lay out the physical challenge of fit, function, and curves...identify the type of material required and present to the GROUP so we can individually go off and make calls around the country to figure out how to resolve...each reporting back and building up from each others progress? We seem to be able to solve all previous challenges with "group think" power when it comes to anything else...I'm just wondering what is it about this particular part that keeps us from figuring this one out? Here's what I'm at least willing to do...I'm gonna start searching the forum archives and capture every aspect or comment that has been made on these windows figure out what the challenge really is. Unless someone else is close enough that can summarize already,...then as a group, can't we combine experience, resources, and ingenuity to find a solution? Easier said than done, but what do we have to loose? Blkcofy

Yeah I read that and said to myself "DAMN RIGHT!"
Well heck. I started poking around two and a half months ago and now there is no turning back. I mean hey man! I have blocks of sculpted aluminum that cost more than most Fiero's I own each.
No worries mates. If I can make them right we will have them available. I would love to tell everyone they will be priced under 200 bucks but I doubt that and I don't have a clue yet. I will say 300 is too much for a project made within the community.
Middle ground will be found.
I will produce these windows and sell at least at a minimum enough to pay for their creation. I may after that sell off the system to a known Fiero parts seller so we will always have them. I have already spoken to him.
I will keep the price down . Maybe the retailer will also I couldn't say.

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Though I am branded a devil in priests clothing I cast not the raiment I wear for I am not beholden to any flock with which any color has been given to me.

DWB

Pardon my ignorance but what's a DWB and PWB ?
And you can count me in for a set if Miss Lori doesn't send me mine .

DWB

quote Originally posted by Robert 2: Pardon my ignorance but what's a DWB and PWB ? And you can count me in for a set if Miss Lori doesn't send me mine .

DWB = Definitely Will Buy

PWB = Probably Will Buy

Rich

Thank you for the infos
DWB

DWB!!

PWB

DWB

I'll bite the bullet and say I'll definately buy a set.

I'm already in for money with Miss Lori and I'm assuming I'll never see it again or the windows. I find it hard to share Paul's cautious optimism that she will eventually get them to me; she just seems to scatterbrained.

I've been on many forums where group buys and such are proposed and many people say they'll buy but when it comes time to actually make the purchase lots of people drop out or say, oooh maybe after I get my tax refund, etc. That what IRKS me about the Lori situation is that I've actually paid for something I NEED BADLY only to have it come to this.

PWB

quote Originally posted by css9450: I'll bite the bullet and say I'll definately buy a set. I'm already in for money with Miss Lori and I'm assuming I'll never see it again or the windows. I find it hard to share Paul's cautious optimism that she will eventually get them to me; she just seems to scatterbrained. I've been on many forums where group buys and such are proposed and many people say they'll buy but when it comes time to actually make the purchase lots of people drop out or say, oooh maybe after I get my tax refund, etc. That what IRKS me about the Lori situation is that I've actually paid for something I NEED BADLY only to have it come to this.

Join me

PWB

Mine are getting the stress cracks in the glass itself. plus a couple scratches on the inside.

.... I would love the OEM window like it is with the GT logo as shown but if the clear could be tinted only. Looking for a bronze color to match my T-tops. NICE WORK BY THE WAY..... I LOVE DETAIL AND THE PEOPLE THAT TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.

I'm still interested if this can't be done also.

I'll be interested to see how the pricing works out. Obviously Pokey needs to make the whole venture worth his while, but I'm curious what the best way to do this is.

Using VERY round figures, let's say Pokey has invested $10,000 in research and development. Then let's say that it actually costs $100 in materials and labour to make a pair of them. (Remember, these are round figures for argumentative sake.) Does Pokey then charge $300 a pair to try and recoup his initial expenses faster per unit sold, albiet to a smaller base of customers due to the relatively high price, or does Pokey charge $150 - $200 to sell a whole wack more of them due to the lower price, thus possibly ending up as a more profitable venture for Pokey.

I'm sure they teach the pros and cons of each argument in business school. It would be great in this case if selling at a lower price actually ended up putting more money eventually into Pokey's pocket. It would be a win-win situation for everybody.