I have done it with an exacto knife with a long blade a steady hand and a bit of dexterity and a whole lot of patience. took a bit of time not to nick the paint on the window.
Gets tricky when you get to the verticle tape that is farther in. You must be carefull to not be tempted to bend the window to try and sneak your cutter in more. I attached mine to a longer rod so i could feed it in and saw gently through the tape.
Unless the verticle tape has never had the backing paper pulled off like mine were, I guess it's because they were put on in the wrong location and would not have contacted anything anyway. I just used a serated butter knife and took my time, but was not too concerned with paint as this was a parts car anyway. Cool first page owned since registering! LOL
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I was just contemplating the fact that this thread has run 39 pages in the "mall" and not a single part has been sold from it. Is this a record?
and you probably won't see any exact replacement GT Windows being sold anytime soon. This is all verbal diarrhea!
------------------ " THE BLACK PARALYZER" -87GT 3800SC Series III engine, 3.4" Pulley, N* TB, LS1 MAF, Flotech Exhaust Autolite 104's Custom CAI 4T65eHD w. custom axles, HP Tuners VCM Suite. "THE COLUSSUS" 87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H " ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "
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fierogt28 Member
Posts: 2958 From: New-Brunswick, Canada. Registered: Feb 2005
........................But 39 pages on this post proves that there is a demand for an exact replacement quarter window.
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Robert 2 Member
Posts: 2401 From: St Hubert Quebec Canada Registered: Jan 2006
sooooo anybody hear anythign lately? It's been 3 months since the last update from Pokey. Hope everything is ok with him.
And i haven't tried to remove the good OE windows YET, trying to sell them as is....still attached to the parts car! But i did rip off the cracked ones that were on my project car and let me tell you, even though they were cracked it took quite a bit of force to snap them. I was very surprised.
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rdppilot Member
Posts: 52 From: Turner, Maine Registered: Oct 2009
Bump for anyone else willing to pick up the torch? I wonder if either of our developers would be willing to sell their tooling to recoup their investment since they don't seem to be going forward with the window projects.
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Robert 2 Member
Posts: 2401 From: St Hubert Quebec Canada Registered: Jan 2006
I recently order a set from the Fiero Warehouse and IMHO they are fairly close to the originals.
The only thing I noticed was that the GT lettering was not in the correct location - I did mentioned this to Doug.
Besides that, they have close to correct curves and with the edges buffed (an extra cost option that Doug offers but I didn't know about) it would be hard to tell from the originals (especially if he relocates the GT emblem). The emblem is not all that far off to begin with, but far enough if you want perfect copies. I would recommend his windows and would consider buying another set for my other car (with the logo relocated to the correct position for this one if he is willing to do that). <edit> link removed
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Dec 30th, 2009
Fallman Member
Posts: 156 From: College Place, Wa USA Registered: Sep 2001
Fiero Warehouse windows do not have correct curves. Either you are very easily satisfied or u dont know what your talking about as the curves in the OEM are compound curves and very difficult to duplicate. Please take Fiero Warehouse comments elsewhere as this thread is dedicated to EXACT duplicates. Not windows that will work. if we wanted windows that would just Work we would all be running Fiero Warehouse windows. Most of us that have followed this thread for any length of time would like to have a window that comes as close as reasonably possible to OEM. We have all known about Fiero Warehouse and his windows for awhile and if u look at the pictures of his windows u can tell they are way to flat. and do not have much if any vertical curve.
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JohnWPB Member
Posts: 5218 From: West Palm Beach, Florida Registered: May 2009
FieroGuy123 has some REALLY nice windows. As Chris mentioned, we put a pair on Tyler's car and they looked amazing! They looked OEM enough to my untrained eye! I am no quarter window expert like many on here, but they had a nice curve from top to bottom, and front to back, and fit on the car perfectly!
I have been emailing him for the past couple of days, and just ordered a pair from him. They will come with the dot matrix, and have the smoke tint applied as well.
Fiero Warehouse windows do not have correct curves. Either you are very easily satisfied or u dont know what your talking about as the curves in the OEM are compound curves and very difficult to duplicate. Please take Fiero Warehouse comments elsewhere as this thread is dedicated to EXACT duplicates. Not windows that will work. if we wanted windows that would just Work we would all be running Fiero Warehouse windows. Most of us that have followed this thread for any length of time would like to have a window that comes as close as reasonably possible to OEM. We have all known about Fiero Warehouse and his windows for awhile and if u look at the pictures of his windows u can tell they are way to flat. and do not have much if any vertical curve.
you twit - I was not the first to post about aftermarket windows - I NEVER said they were EXACT copies (I said they were close). I am NOT NEW here (and have almost been burnt by the thread starter way back, but I did get my money back and did happen to find a set of NOS at a dealer).
I did compare Doug's windows to a NOS set I have (the NOS is reserved for the yellow car, but my red one can use the aftermarket ones and gave Doug's a try) - too bad I didn't take pictures of them off the car side by side - but they are close when I compared them, and yes they do have a vertical curve - perhapes you are talking about his 1st generation windows as they were flat, but he has a 2nd generation now - maybe you need to keep up with what is going on. So go and pi$$ in your own cereal if you have NOTHING POSITIVE to contribute.
Dougs windows (curve not perfect, but close):
OEM windows:
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Mickey_Moose Member
Posts: 7542 From: Edmonton, AB, Canada Registered: May 2001
Fiero Warehouse windows do not have correct curves. Either you are very easily satisfied or u dont know what your talking about as the curves in the OEM are compound curves and very difficult to duplicate. Please take Fiero Warehouse comments elsewhere as this thread is dedicated to EXACT duplicates. Not windows that will work. if we wanted windows that would just Work we would all be running Fiero Warehouse windows. Most of us that have followed this thread for any length of time would like to have a window that comes as close as reasonably possible to OEM. We have all known about Fiero Warehouse and his windows for awhile and if u look at the pictures of his windows u can tell they are way to flat. and do not have much if any vertical curve.
Was this really necessary? Go use some Preperation H and cool off a bit!
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FieroMonkey Member
Posts: 3294 From: poway,CA,USA Registered: Nov 2002
you twit - I was not the first to post about aftermarket windows - I NEVER said they were EXACT copies (I said they were close). I am NOT NEW here (and have almost been burnt by the thread starter way back, but I did get my money back and did happen to find a set of NOS at a dealer).
I did compare Doug's windows to a NOS set I have (the NOS is reserved for the yellow car, but my red one can use the aftermarket ones and gave Doug's a try) - too bad I didn't take pictures of them off the car side by side - but they are close when I compared them, and yes they do have a vertical curve - perhapes you are talking about his 1st generation windows as they were flat, but he has a 2nd generation now - maybe you need to keep up with what is going on. So go and pi$$ in your own cereal if you have NOTHING POSITIVE to contribute.
Dougs windows (curve not perfect, but close):
OEM windows:
I would like to see a lot more pics of Dougs new windows installed, with different angles. I too was under the impression they were flat as fritters too. good affordable alternatives, but flat-ish. Please if you or anyone else can provide more pics, I would appreciate it. Doug might as well as it could boost his sales if they have good curvage....curvage...is that even a word?
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Rixthetrick Member
Posts: 145 From: Benowa, Gold Coast, QLD, Australia Registered: Mar 2008
CURVAGE 1. A celebration of life's curvier women 2. Women of abundance, in abundance 3. More cushion for the pushin' 4. True beauty does not mean stick thin
CURVATURE 1. the act of curving or the state of being curved. 2. a curved condition, often abnormal: curvature of the spine. 3. the degree of curving of a line or surface. 4. Geometry. a. (at a point on a curve) the derivative of the inclination of the tangent with respect to arc length. b. the absolute value of this derivative. 5. something curved.
I think the word you're chasing was curvature, not that there's anything wrong with good curvage... HAPPY NEW YEAR 2010 !!
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FieroMonkey Member
Posts: 3294 From: poway,CA,USA Registered: Nov 2002
CURVAGE 1. A celebration of life's curvier women 2. Women of abundance, in abundance 3. More cushion for the pushin' 4. True beauty does not mean stick thin
CURVATURE 1. the act of curving or the state of being curved. 2. a curved condition, often abnormal: curvature of the spine. 3. the degree of curving of a line or surface. 4. Geometry. a. (at a point on a curve) the derivative of the inclination of the tangent with respect to arc length. b. the absolute value of this derivative. 5. something curved.
I think the word you're chasing was curvature, not that there's anything wrong with good curvage... HAPPY NEW YEAR 2010 !!
Haha! Well, they do say the average male thinks about 'curvage' every 15 seconds or so. Guess I posted that bit during one of those 15 second periods!
Happy New Year Rick!
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pokeyfiero Member
Posts: 16203 From: Free America! Registered: Dec 2003
So is Pokey okay?... Are they still working on the molds... I know funds were low... Anyone know the latest
I'm fine.
Molds are done and have been for a long while. Production costs are too high.
A Friend in the manufacturing business has a guy that might be able to produce small quantities fairly cheap but I have not had the time to get with him to pursue this.
Hopefully I will take a trip down to southern California in a month or so and see what can be done for how much. These windows won't really make any sort of substantial profit so with the economy so tight it is not something I should invest too much time or money into.
They can be made though , but then for enough money anything can be made.
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fierogt28 Member
Posts: 2958 From: New-Brunswick, Canada. Registered: Feb 2005
Molds are done and have been for a long while. Production costs are too high.
A Friend in the manufacturing business has a guy that might be able to produce small quantities fairly cheap but I have not had the time to get with him to pursue this.
Hopefully I will take a trip down to southern California in a month or so and see what can be done for how much. These windows won't really make any sort of substantial profit so with the economy so tight it is not something I should invest too much time or money into.
They can be made though , but then for enough money anything can be made.
Pokey, sorry to ask but what does the economy have to do with this project?? Is this a matter of gambling with those that said they would buy a pair, and will back out once they are made?? IMO, these windows will sell like hot cakes no matter what...every serious fiero enthusiast on this board that needs new windows will jump in to buy a set. (including myself)
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fierogt28 Member
Posts: 2958 From: New-Brunswick, Canada. Registered: Feb 2005
BTW, Doug's windows are nice and have the dot-matrix border around the contour correctly. I don't understand why the logos can't be in the right spot.
I bought a pair 3 years ago, and re-sold them due to the flat-ness. They seem to scratch very easily. Those photos you see on his web-site for example are not taken at the same angle as the originals were. Look closely at the rear of the car, and you see the camera off a couple of inches from the 2nd photo.
My 3 cents on these windows...
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88 GT, loaded, 5-speed
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FIERO JOHN-WI Member
Posts: 2408 From: GREENFIELD, WI, MILWAUKEE Registered: Jun 2001
Pokey I know you feel it's a big risk on your part, because people always say they will buy but when it comes time to pony up you would fall short BUT "The Fiero Store" will buy many sets, they always invest in buying products that are better for their customers. I know they had asked Rodney on a couple of his product to purchase in bulk at a lower price but he declined. So I think you might have less risk then you realize. Just a thought to think of.
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Fallman Member
Posts: 156 From: College Place, Wa USA Registered: Sep 2001
All i was saying was that it gets really annoying to have people promoting a window as close to OEM when they are not close. ESPECIALLY in a thread that is devoted to an exact replica. Just by looking at the biased pictures that arent taken at the same angles you can tell this. On top of that why would anyone in there right mind spend 10k or more to produce exact replicas when they could get something that was "close" for a couple hundred? Maybe because they aren't as close as the manufacturer/seller says they are. Yep that probably would fit the bill. So for you to come in here and promote something thats already known to exist for quite some time is just ANNOYING. people wouldnt be in here asking for exact replicas if they liked the alternative. And i wasn't just talking to one person i was talking to all the nitwits that are in here saying that those windows are anywhere near oem.
And i didnt say they werent a viable alternative until something better could be had. all i said was quit falsely promoting something in the wrong area.
If i didnt have anything else and needed a set of windows so i could drive a car i would use them for sure.
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Boomtastic Member
Posts: 2359 From: Athens, Alabama Registered: May 2000
Pokey, sorry to ask but what does the economy have to do with this project?? Is this a matter of gambling with those that said they would buy a pair, and will back out once they are made?? IMO, these windows will sell like hot cakes no matter what...every serious fiero enthusiast on this board that needs new windows will jump in to buy a set. (including myself)
That's exactly what he's saying - no "free cash" to spend on a project that won't reap any real profit back. I went through the same thing when I started offering t-top locks. Everyone said they wanted sets. No one bought any when they were ready. Everyone's parts that were ordered for them went on eBay after plenty of fair warning (where I lost money). This is why I am hesitant about producing t-top weatherstrips. Everyone talks but few actually reach into their wallets because they too will not have any "free cash".
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Mickey_Moose Member
Posts: 7542 From: Edmonton, AB, Canada Registered: May 2001
Originally posted by fierogt28: I bought a pair 3 years ago, and re-sold them due to the flat-ness. They seem to scratch very easily. Those photos you see on his web-site for example are not taken at the same angle as the originals were. Look closely at the rear of the car, and you see the camera off a couple of inches from the 2nd photo.
My 3 cents on these windows...
The pictures on Dougs website are of his 1st generation windows, so yes they are flat - if you bothered to read the page it says so. If you are talking about my pictures posted above? Yes the camera is not in the same location because I didn't exactly measure it out and place it in the exact same spot. I took the picture to show that the windows do NOW indeed have the other curve (you can see that in the picture that there is a top to bottom curve). His earlier windows where flat (I have seen them) and that is what I was expecting when I ordered them, but since they were for my red car it was not that critical and I didn't care for any of the other alternatives that are out there.
There are some people here that are stuck in the past and figure that because something was a certain way in the past it will always be that way and that seem to be unwilling to accept that just MAYBE the product has been improved. If these people actually took the time to read Doug's website - it clearly states that his 1st generation windows where flat and he had added the other curve to the 2nd generation that he now sells.
I am picky when it comes to buying parts for my yellow 88 GT and will really only use OEM parts on it and try and keep it original. I actually drove it very little for 2 years while I looked for and found a set of OEM front bearings as the ones in the car had gone bad (actually just the passenger side) - unlike someone that will install a 5 speed in a auto car and goes through the trouble of wanting it looking original even though it is no longer a numbers car. All I was saying is that I was surprised by Doug's windows when they arrived and saying that I "would consider" using these on the 88 if the logo was corrected and the edges buffed.
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Originally posted by Fallman: All i was saying was that it gets really annoying to have people promoting a window as close to OEM when they are not close. ESPECIALLY in a thread that is devoted to an exact replica.
This thread is NOT 100% about EXACT copies as look at how many people want the windows in different colors, or tinted, or different logos - correct me if I am wrong, but none of those are exact copies, so maybe you should also ***** about these people as well. OR what about all the posts in 'this thread' about how people were taken for money? As for exact copies - I doubt that we would see anything in the near future. I commend Pokey for taking this as far as he has, but there is NO way that he can recover his costs anytime in the near future. There really is not that many people that will buy the windows - maybe what, a hundred vs what he has spent on them so far.
If he does bring these to the market, I for one would buy a set (or 2) as I have looked into this myself and they are not cheap to replicate. When I did some checking about 5 years ago I found a local shop that could replicate them. The molds would have ran $5000 each (left and right), each pair of windows would cost approx $150 to mold per pair, PLUS printing, PLUS the cost of 'plastic' (of which there was a min amount that I had to buy as the automotive tint was a speciality item that they didn't stock). What it all boiled down to was having to sell each pair for about $500 to break even and that was for a batch of something like 4000 pairs of windows, of which would never sell. And at $500 (+ shipping), how many people would balk at the cost. Now, it would be cheaper if I didn't have to buy a pallet of the 'plastic', but that was not an option for me and I am not prepared to sit on 3500 pairs of windows as I would at best be able to sell 500 pairs.
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FieroMonkey Member
Posts: 3294 From: poway,CA,USA Registered: Nov 2002
Honestly I had 4 fastback Fieros, and have sold them all because of a lack of sail windows.
I hated to see my black 88 GT with gold laces wheels, beechwood and lumbar go. It had beautiful paint and polly and was a 5- speed. I only sold it because it had dougs original windows and I hated the flat window look and I could not live with the look. i couldnt find OEM that weren't cracked or scratched to hell from being removed from someone elses car..
If Pokey made the windows and they were 95% exact I would buy a set of his windows so that I could but another fastback. Yep, I would buy a set of windows first and THEN buy another fastback. I wont own another one until I am sure I can get nice windows for it.
Doug may have better windows now, but I have asked several times in several places to several people for GOOD or BETTER pics of his newer windows and nobody seems to come up with any to show how good or bad they really look on a car. I have only seen windows on cars that look flat in most of the surface area. If his new ones are not like this and people think they are the bee's knees, then for craps sake show them here. Several different angles of installed windows.
I was under the impression that this thread was all about exact OEM replacements as the title says. Not that I think it should be policed against anyone else who wants to talk here about alternatives. But again, if someone is going to boast that another set available is really close.....
Pictures are worth thousands of words, and this thread has been mostly words.
(can anyone tell I am bitter about the lack of OEM replacements? heh)
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Mickey_Moose Member
Posts: 7542 From: Edmonton, AB, Canada Registered: May 2001
Originally posted by FieroMonkey: I would like to see a lot more pics of Dougs new windows installed, with different angles. I too was under the impression they were flat as fritters too. good affordable alternatives, but flat-ish. Please if you or anyone else can provide more pics, I would appreciate it. Doug might as well as it could boost his sales if they have good curvage....curvage...is that even a word?
As requested, be better if I had taken pictures of them before I installed side by side with an OEM one - if there is a specific angle you want let me know (I could put a straight edge along the window if that will help). Like I said they are not perfect, but they are also not flat like they use to be, but I was surprised that they did have some curves to them without spending $10k+:
I think this picture shows it best that it is curved top to bottom and front to back:
You can see in this picture the unfinished edge of the windows, now if this was buffed to a shine it would be much better (I don't have the proper tools to buffing them) Also of note, the reflection of the garage door in the surface shows that it is not flat with the curved lines:
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