quote Originally posted by Mickey_Moose: You can see in this picture the unfinished edge of the windows, now if this was buffed to a shine it would be much better (I don't have the proper tools to buffing them) Also of note, the reflection of the garage door in the surface shows that it is not flat with the curved lines:

I can honestly say that this picture here shows me the best reproduction I have ever seen of GT sail windows. He has them closer than any other out there that I am aware of available.

Hopefully I will run into someone at a meet or show with a set of these on their car that I can really scrutinize in person, but again, Doug must have the best available today. I think polishing the edges would really improve them and give them a more professional look.

Kudos to Doug though.

Based on the pictures alone I will recommend these to someone looking for replacements. I may buy a set myself if I find a FB I cant pass up. Still would buy a set of Pokey's if he made 100% exact replicas like he set out to. I still support Pokey's windows

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Mickey, I was talking about Doug's photos on his website, not the ones you posted.

I bought Doug's GT windows very recently and are the 2nd generation windows. They are flat. Lay them down any way, and they have no curve. They may look curved once installed, but its normal that the window will follow the contour of the fastback clip window area.

If you have ever seen a GM OEM window and laid it on the floor, the window will have not have full contact from the surface.

Anyways, being a fiero enthusiast...yes I would buy a set for my car. I've been waiting for this for years because everything else has been replaced on my car.

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88 GT, loaded, 5-speed

So sounds like from what i have heard that Doug is using a softer material in his 2nd Gen windows that allows them to contour to the car more easily, instead of forming the window itself. This would also explain the reported easiness to scratch as well.

quote Originally posted by fierogt28: Mickey, I was talking about Doug's photos on his website, not the ones you posted. I bought Doug's GT windows very recently and are the 2nd generation windows. They are flat. Lay them down any way, and they have no curve. They may look curved once installed, but its normal that the window will follow the contour of the fastback clip window area. If you have ever seen a GM OEM window and laid it on the floor, the window will have not have full contact from the surface. Anyways, being a fiero enthusiast...yes I would buy a set for my car. I've been waiting for this for years because everything else has been replaced on my car.

Hmmm, that is odd because when I laid them out flat on my work table they had a curve to them - it was not as much when I had it beside my OEM's and the very end (small end) about 2" in from the edge was flat - but the curve was there. So maybe some inconsistancy?!? Now I wish I did take some pictures with them off the car, don't know why I chose not to.

quote Originally posted by Fallman: So sounds like from what i have heard that Doug is using a softer material in his 2nd Gen windows that allows them to contour to the car more easily, instead of forming the window itself. This would also explain the reported easiness to scratch as well.

Except I didn't have to bend them to fit - I just pressed them into position and that was it - I have seen flat windows on cars and you can tell they are flat.


Anyways, not going to post about this anymore and back to the waiting for Pokey's set (can never have enough spares - especially with 2 GT's).

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Not sure whether I should admit to this............but here goes......Several weeks ago, I was on ecrap about 2:30am, when a new ad showed up for an "OEM RH side quarter window for $75.00. There was no packing showing the GM p/n, and only the seller's word that it was truly NOS. Foolishly, I bit on it, and waited for it to arrive like a kid at Christmas. It's here now.........and I don't know what to make of it..........I think it may be one of Dougs 1st Gen.........but I'm not sure, and don't want to point fingers (except at myself for stupidity). First off, the panel's curve front to rear appears to be inverted (possibly from improper storage?) and itt has no visible curve top to bottom (but with it twisted the way it is front to back, I'm not sure you could see it if it did). On the back side, the blacked out area is covered in what looks like touch-up paint to cover holes in the finish. The GT emblem looks to be correct, and the dot matrix is great. The front curved edge is not great, and the edge needs buffing all the way around. It came addressed from a Mario Andretti with a Houston buisness address.
Has anyone seen anything like this before? I'm wondering who made it, as it sure as hell doesn't look NOS to me.

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I almost bid on that one too, but it looked like it was too good to be true.

The thing I don't understand then is, if it's not profitable for Pokey to make these now, how will it ever be profitable? This is the perfect time as during a recession you can get a deal from these guys that make the windows as their business will be lighter. If these are made during boom times, production costs will be much higher. I am wondering if Pokey is still going to move forward and make these. It sounds like the fixed costs are into the project and now the selling price should exceed the variable costs allowing Pokey to recoup some of his fixed investment with each window sold. Even if he only makes and sells a few hundred, at this point each window sold will be cash flow positive.

If Pokey isn't going to make these, why not sell the mold to at least recoup some of the money that is sunk into this project.

Thats what I thought too. If you've already spent the money for the fixed cost item (molds), you should simply adjust your pricing to reflect your production costs. All we ever heard was how hard it was to make the molds, and now that they are made, the windows can't be made because of material and labor costs? Doesn't make any sense to me, but then again, I'm not the guy who has to front the money to produce them either (thank god).
I just hope someone will finally produce them; I'd rather see pokey do it because of all the work and cost he has in it, but if he won't do it, I wish he would sell his molds to someone who is willing. It's not like there isn't a market for the item!

First let me start by saying I am NOT a quarter window expert by ANY means, in ANY way...PERIOD. I am not looking for absolutely perfect OEM specification windows for my car, as I know many of you are. I will give no opinion on the windows, other than to say that I personally am happy with them. That being said:

I purchased a pair of quarter windows from FieroGuy123 (Doug) a couple weeks back, after helping to install a set on Tyler's Car back in November, and seeing how nice they looked.

I am quite happy with the ones I ordered, and the ones that I personally received are certainly not flat. I have no NOS one to compare to, nor do I know how much curve there actually should be. I can however saw, with 100% certainty that they are definitely not flat.

I did my best to try to get a couple pictures that show that. It's 2:30 AM here, and the only way I was gonna get a photo, was to take it inside, and used my bed as a table hahah! I used 2 paint sticks glued together to set on the inside of the windows for both photo's. (I was NOT about to try to place a metal straight edge on the plastic!!!!) I took one with the stick going from front to rear, and one top to bottom of the window. Again, I am not sure exactly how much curve they are supposed to have, but again, just am showing that they are not flat, that's all.

A few things to note:
- The dot matrix pattern matches up to my severely broken and cracked ones on my car perfectly, and looks identical.
- The GT logo matches, as far as I can tell as the one on my car is really really faded and looks almost all white.
- The GT Logo on Doug's windows is about 1 inch closer to the front edge (forward on the window) than the GT logo on my original windows.
- The front has a nice rolled edge
- the edges of the window are not buffed

NOTE: Both photo's were taken with the stick centered in the window

Here is a picture of the curve from top to bottom:




Here is the curve from front to back (The "stick" I am using is not as long as the window, so the total curve is probably a little bit more)



I can not attest to if these are gen1, gen2 or if all of either gen will ship the way mine came, I am just showing the ones that I received.

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I have no idea what I am going to do but today I just acquired a vacuum molding machine. It is huge. Will do a 4x8 sheet.

I need to provide transportation for it next Tuesday. First I have no personal experience using it other than watching the experts turn out test panels for me. I have no place to put such a huge machine. I'm not even sure if I had room for it in my shop that I could supply enough power to it without changing my incoming power line.

Frankly the more I think about this the kwazier it is sounding. If Ican figure something out with it I might be able to make this affordable.

Lots of big IFS and I don't knows! I'm feeling kwazy man just kwazy. I was entertaining thoughts of building another shop out back. I do need a woodworking shop seperate from my garage anyway.

You do realise all the things you can make with a vac mold? I got plenty of room here . When you do get it up ans running lemme know. I want some molds made. I know of about 15 different parts you can make and make a killing!

quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: I have no idea what I am going to do but today I just acquired a vacuum molding machine.

You CAN'T be married...

quote Originally posted by 87antuzzi: You do realise all the things you can make with a vac mold? I got plenty of room here . When you do get it up ans running lemme know. I want some molds made. I know of about 15 different parts you can make and make a killing!

You want something done you're just gonna have to drive down here.
Two promising updates.

1. I have decided to use the back half of my Hydroponics store warehouse to house the molder.
I will have PG&E run a new line and meter into a separate panel and also wall off that section so as to keep it dust free.

2. I have spoken to several people about running the machine and found a few that would be willing to work part time. Obviously I will be paying great attention.

I know nothing about this really so I suspect that it may be a minute just to get the machine in working order. The benefits though are awesome. I should be able to run 1 or 10 pieces anytime I want. I realize there is a bit of art involved and a lot of experience needed but I can't possibly not get excited about being able to produce parts myself.

quote Originally posted by blakeinspace: You CAN'T be married...

SHe doesn't care what I do. I keep us almost totally debt free(except for about 68Gs left on the house),keep her in a new car and carry lots of insurance if I kill myself so I don't give her any room to tell me what I can and can't do.

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If your serious I'm up for a drive. Let's see...so good money makers.
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1/4 windows
87-88 exterior molding
Radio/interior bezels
Hood scoops
Anything really! I have some plugs I need vac molded. When you do get it up and running and want to make a couple bucks lemme know.

Bump!

Don't get excited.

It's only a bump.

Bump to the bump

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quote Originally posted by Robert 2: Bump to the bump

Robert, did you ever get yours?

Take a guess , no will be the answer , never heard of her since a Looooooooooonnnnnnnnnnggggggggg time .
Thanks for asking .
I think it's a file 13 case
Guess she needed the money more than me .
Funny thing i was almost the first to order from her .
But living in Canada makes it easier for her to highjack me .
Another time somebody else tried to do the same to me with a mirror control switch , but this time i was ready and advised Paypal right away and got my money back in no time .

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Allright here it comes LORI'S WINDOWS ARE GARBAGE!!!!

I'm firmly in the "trash Lori" camp now.

My windows are delaminating away from the tape at the window-to-tape interface. I suppose "delaminating" isn't the correct word, maybe "peeling" would be better. On one window there are three locations about 1" in length and 1/2" to 1" in width where you can now see a bubble where the paint has come off the plastic window and remained on the tape. I'd imagine its from temperature variations and/or vibrations from driving. These "bubbles" look exactly like the bubbles in the GT taillights when they delaminate.

Now get this: I've driven the car perhaps FORTY MILES since the windows were installed.

For those who don't know the whole story, I finally got my windows last Spring following the intervention of one of the NIFE board members (he went to the Fiero Factory open house and brought them back with him!). Body work and paint prep occupied most of the rest of the summer last year and the car was painted in the fall, and it has been garaged ever since. Now with spring here its been out of the garage EXACTLY THREE TIMES and I drove it to work once. The windows weren't installed by me; the paint shop had their glass guy install them and they followed Lori's instructions and used her tape.

I can't imagine how crappy this will look after a season of driving, if it peels in three locations after just 40 miles. What am I supposed to do, remove the windows and "respray" the back sides with more black paint every time I drive the car?

I hate to say it but I'll probably be going with the windows from Fiero Warehouse. I thought these would be the "OEM"-appearing windows I though they'd be but after 40 miles they aren't holding up. Dammit all, those were the windows I took off the car before painting (Fiero Warehouse flat ones) but in all fairness to the Fiero Warehouse they were VERY old and it sounds like they're better now.

I'm through with this whole issue. Lori can DROP DEAD as far as I'm concerned. If it wasn't for the hype, the 2.5-year wait to get them (and I probably would still be waiting if Paul hadn't grabbed them for me) and the big bucks paint job I sprang for I probably wouldn't be as mad. To Robert and the others who are still waiting, I'm sorry, but you shoiuld probably consider that money long gone and look elsewhere.

Sorry for the rant,
Charles S.

quote Originally posted by css9450: Sorry for the rant, Charles S.

Are you saying the ink is coming off or the actual plastic?

This concerns me as I don't want the same problem. What are the panels made of? Are they acrylic 30/30 green? Can you scratch the ink off them easily?


If you take them off could you send them to me so we can examine them?

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quote Originally posted by pokeyfiero: Are you saying the ink is coming off or the actual plastic?

I think the ink (or paint) is coming off the back side of the plastic. I'm not sure why. Looking at the window, it looks like there's now a clear spot with the blackened tape "behind" it.

It didn't "seem" like it would scratch easily but on the other hand, I didn't really try. I wonder how the GM originals were able to keep this from happening?

After we get our snowstorm out of the way this weekend, I'm going to take it in and show the guys who painted it; it was them and their glass specialist who installed them. I can probably send you one since I assuming we'll be removing them in the near future.

No ink there men it's paint

Read , this is a message she sent me .

Hi, Robert. The weather has been raining here so much the last week and we have so much water everywhere. I have been trying to get everything dried out. Painting with this much humidity doesn't work well. I will be working all weekend drying things out and getting these out. I was really trying to get these last few sets to people by Christmas but time is running short for that, but I will get them out.

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quote Originally posted by css9450: Allright here it comes LORI'S WINDOWS ARE GARBAGE!!!! I'm firmly in the "trash Lori" camp now. My windows are delaminating away from the tape at the window-to-tape interface. I suppose "delaminating" isn't the correct word, maybe "peeling" would be better. On one window there are three locations about 1" in length and 1/2" to 1" in width where you can now see a bubble where the paint has come off the plastic window and remained on the tape. I'd imagine its from temperature variations and/or vibrations from driving. These "bubbles" look exactly like the bubbles in the GT taillights when they delaminate. Now get this: I've driven the car perhaps FORTY MILES since the windows were installed. For those who don't know the whole story, I finally got my windows last Spring following the intervention of one of the NIFE board members (he went to the Fiero Factory open house and brought them back with him!). Body work and paint prep occupied most of the rest of the summer last year and the car was painted in the fall, and it has been garaged ever since. Now with spring here its been out of the garage EXACTLY THREE TIMES and I drove it to work once. The windows weren't installed by me; the paint shop had their glass guy install them and they followed Lori's instructions and used her tape. I can't imagine how crappy this will look after a season of driving, if it peels in three locations after just 40 miles. What am I supposed to do, remove the windows and "respray" the back sides with more black paint every time I drive the car? I hate to say it but I'll probably be going with the windows from Fiero Warehouse. I thought these would be the "OEM"-appearing windows I though they'd be but after 40 miles they aren't holding up. Dammit all, those were the windows I took off the car before painting (Fiero Warehouse flat ones) but in all fairness to the Fiero Warehouse they were VERY old and it sounds like they're better now. I'm through with this whole issue. Lori can DROP DEAD as far as I'm concerned. If it wasn't for the hype, the 2.5-year wait to get them (and I probably would still be waiting if Paul hadn't grabbed them for me) and the big bucks paint job I sprang for I probably wouldn't be as mad. To Robert and the others who are still waiting, I'm sorry, but you shoiuld probably consider that money long gone and look elsewhere. Sorry for the rant, Charles S.

Charles, I feel your pain. I was in the same boat as you. I bought a pair of these windows from the same party as you. When I recieved them they had marks on them, and really was a poor quality window. That's what I called them too...(GARBAGE). My GT was painted and done. Just waiting to get some really nice windows, but the set that is on the car is better than what I had bought. Really poor and for Lori to come out with a product in this manner, there was no way I way going to stick those on my GT. The curve was there, but can't confirm how good it was because I sent them back due to the crappy quality.

If Lori still can't come out refunding those people who paid...she's a coward. Come-on, Funding her project with other peoples money is not the way to go.

Anyone that is taking money from a customer should be able to ship them their product with-in a week. If it takes 1 month to get things shipped out, that's unacceptable. 2 years without a response...one hell of a crook.

Even if Lori comes back in 2 months and has everything ready to begin selling new "quality" windows...sorry, she's lost every respect from those that wanted windows and bought windows. Someone that has the nerve to post a photo (Lori) of a white window from a house while responding to a member in this thread, doesn't show professionalism about who we're dealing with.

For those that are interested, scroll back in this 40-some page thread.

Time for A Bump.

Still waiting for Lori to send my windows... Based on other posts, I may have saved some pain & labor by not getting them!

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The horse is prepared against the day of battle, but safety is of the LORD.

Think you'll wait till the end of the world for these . Been 4 years over for me 21/12/2006
Good luck
Go there


https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/080465-2.html 3rd message . From (Jeremy ) Fiero Factory . Fierotech .

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https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...1/HTML/080465-2.html 3rd message . From (Jeremy ) Fiero Factory . Fierotech .

Anyone who paid Lori and did not receive note the Link above!!!

Thank you Robert

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The horse is prepared against the day of battle, but safety is of the LORD.

Got refunded by Miss Lori yesterday .
She's on the right track now .
Thank you .

quote Originally posted by Robert 2: Got refunded by Miss Lori yesterday . She's on the right track now . Thank you .

Great news Robert. I know you have been waiting a VERY long time. Good to here Lori is trying to make things right.

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Thanks

BUMP for the heck of it. I can always dream...

quote Originally posted by Robert 2: Got refunded by Miss Lori yesterday . She's on the right track now . Thank you .

Congrats Robert!

quote Originally posted by Back On Holiday: Congrats Robert!

Thanks you for all the support you gave me

Pokey, any word on production? I started taking my Fiero apart today to paint it. So, I'm at the point that I'll need to buy some quarter windows. So, what was the final verdict for the best curved window? It looks like Moderman is the way to go? Anybody know anything about Kahine's windows on Ebay?

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By all accounts Doug's latest windows from Fierowarehouse.com curve and look the best.

http://www.fierowarehouse.com/



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quote Originally posted by FieroMonkey: By all accounts Doug's latest windows from Fierowarehouse.com curve and look the best. http://www.fierowarehouse.com/

Is the curve on FW's windows something new?

quote Originally posted by Back On Holiday: Is the curve on FW's windows something new?

what I have been told is that the material he now uses is a bit firmer so that when you tape them in place they hold the curve rather than dip and wave all over the way 99% of the aftermarket windows do.

quote Originally posted by FieroMonkey: what I have been told is that the material he now uses is a bit firmer so that when you tape them in place they hold the curve rather than dip and wave all over the way 99% of the aftermarket windows do.

How do these compare to the ones by Chris Cook? I need new sails and thought the ones FS and Ebay have were Chris' design. Are these as good or better?

Bump hoping for an update.

Bump...............
Pokey??