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Post dinner mid late evening early night bump. Perhaps we should start a bump "Bucket Brigade" to keep this topic at the forefront. (sigh)

Work is going on behind the scenes to keep this project going.

quote Originally posted by rpro: Perhaps we should start a bump "Bucket Brigade" to keep this topic at the forefront. (sigh)

Bump it once a day? Once an hour? A watched kettle does not boil. This topic will not get lost or forgotten. Search is your friend. Heck, add it to your favorites and you can tune in anytime without search.
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One can be sure that with the money she has tied up in this project it is at the forefront of her agenda.
Thanks again Lori.

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I have only the highest confidence in this project.

I have a set of her original windows. (Some of the "good" ones from last year.)
She's trying to make these even better than those. I think you all will be pleased.

While everyone is just a bumping away, I am still here grinding away.
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good to hear
Thank you
and keep on the good work

MsLori
If I can help let me know.
Only a Hour away by truck Or 35 min. By Fiero.

quote Originally posted by MsLoriFiero: While everyone is just a bumping away, I am still here grinding away. ......

and the troops march on

Lori,

Does this mean you have some windows to actually grind on? I think most of us would wait till the cows come home for these windows, but regular updates would sure be nice :> )

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MsLoriFiero:

While everyone is just a bumping away, I am still here grinding away.

Hrmmmm ... bump and grind ....... does this need to be moved to the girls "with" or "Without" Fieros thread


Sorry couldn't pass that one up

All of my announcements up to now have been from what "I" have been told,so I will probably not make any announcements at this time other to say, this project will continue, and there has been some reorganization at the molding shop, mainly with the personal.

Lori

quote Originally posted by Richjk21: Hrmmmm ... bump and grind ....... does this need to be moved to the girls "with" or "Without" Fieros thread Sorry couldn't pass that one up

I thought about going there. You saved me the trouble.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: I thought about going there. You saved me the trouble.

No problem I have no shame

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Damn...mine just cracked above the gas tank on my 1988 Fiero GT.
I'm told the gas fumes were the main cause of cracking.
The reason they crasked from the gas fumes:
The FACTORY windows were dipped in the protectant B-4 the side edges were trimmed down.
This left the edges completely unprotected from the elements and the windows cracked...gas fume side first for most of us.

Will your windows be Protectant Sealed after they are trimmed so this won't happen to all of us again???

I hope so.

I need 2 sets.

My car is like a baby bird with it's mouth open waiting for food.

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quote Originally posted by SNMFX: Damn...mine just cracked above the gas tank on my 1988 Fiero GT. I'm told the gas fumes were the main cause of cracking. The reason they crasked from the gas fumes: The FACTORY windows were dipped in the protectant B-4 the side edges were trimmed down. This left the edges completely unprotected from the elements and the windows cracked...gas fume side first for most of us. Will your windows be Protectant Sealed after they are trimmed so this won't happen to all of us again??? I hope so. I need 2 sets.

I am not sure where you got your information, but the Factory windows were not dipped in anything, nor were they trimmed. The Factory windows were cast, and the only thing that was trimmed on them was the 2 tabs on the top edge. The factory windows crack simply because they are old, and have been subjected to the elements for 20 years.

Lori

Yeah, I'm sure engine heat and UV rays were a bigger factor in your window cracking. As for why the driver's side usually goes first, the driver's door gets used (slammed) more often than the passenger door. These vibrations finally took their toll on the brittle 20 year old window. The fact that Pontiac was courteous enough to put the gas fill on the driver's side is just a coincidence.

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Don't look now, but I think the idiots have taken over the asylum.

AIM: JSAL86

gas fumes could be a factor, I have often wondered why the driver side windows blow out so much faster and worse than the passenger side. Gas is notorious for breaking down plastics, some fast, some slow. it wouldn't surprise me

i'm not convinced using/slamming the driver door would impact much personally, as they never really touch each other at all.

Lori is right about the tabs on the originals, and i am pretty sure as well that they were never dipped in anything.

One thing i always thought though, was that with all the changes in outside temp, hot cold, hot cold, not to mention intense engine heats, why pontiac didnt use a more flexible method mounting these. like a more pliable tape. the 3m double sided turns to rocky cement that doesnt want to give at all, and you know plastic will want to expand and contrat with temp changes. I have thought about attatching the next set i put on my GT with small strips spaced out every inch or so to better allow expanding and contracting with temp changes, as well as giving a little ventalation for engine heat to escape rather than getting trapped behind the window itself

So what are the latest news

good morning thread

I found on my first GT they were both cracked but otherwise in good condition. After putting new suspension on I think I found part of the cause. The new suspension raised the car somewhat and stopped it bottoming out. I think the bottoming out didn't help the windows at all as the stress was transfering through the car.

This is very true. The trend these days is to run lowered suspension and 17" and above wheels with very little cushioning effect by the tires. The original soft ride of the car wasn't nearly as hard on the windows. Freakin rock chips have been my biggest issue over the years.

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Ok but that doesn't give us any update on the windows

It's the equivalent of whittling.

quote Originally posted by Robert 2: Ok but that doesn't give us any update on the windows

whittling ??????????????

It's an American thing. (Whittling = To cut small bits or pare shavings from a piece of wood, often done out of boredom)

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thank you i did not knew that expression mean slowly but sure

Actually I was working on some replacements with Phil Huff before the FOCOA went under.
The originals were trimmed on the edge after they were dipped to protect them from the environment according to our sources at Pontiac.
This let the gas fumes crack the windows where they were no longer sealed on the side.
This is the same dipping process that delayed the FOCOA replacement windows because it was very expensive and had to be done in a clean room environment.

Any update ????????????

quote Originally posted by SNMFX: Actually I was working on some replacements with Phil Huff before the FOCOA went under. The originals were trimmed on the edge after they were dipped to protect them from the environment according to our sources at Pontiac. This let the gas fumes crack the windows where they were no longer sealed on the side. This is the same dipping process that delayed the FOCOA replacement windows because it was very expensive and had to be done in a clean room environment.

not sure where you got your info, i spoke with Lexmar (maker of the OEM gt sail windows) a little over a year ago trying to get them to restart production, when the entire process was explained to me by them (where they explained they would have to repair or remake most of their tooling which has degraded over the years, which is why they wont restart production, they want at least 1000 sets ordered to make it worth their time) they did not once mention any dipping process at all in the creation of these windows....

quote Originally posted by FieroMonkey: gas fumes could be a factor, I have often wondered why the driver side windows blow out so much faster and worse than the passenger side. Gas is notorious for breaking down plastics, some fast, some slow. it wouldn't surprise me i'm not convinced using/slamming the driver door would impact much personally, as they never really touch each other at all.

My theroy is the windows are stressed every time you lean on them to get at the engine compartment and you usually lean on them when when you are shooting the breeze outside the car. Old windows plus extra weight equals stress cracks.

My ex or one of her friends took mine out with a small hammer, keyed the car and tried to kick in the fenders but the dents popped out. I am thinking of making templates and just making some out of fiber glass but I will lose some vision.

quote Originally posted by FieroMonkey: not sure where you got your info, i spoke with Lexmar (maker of the OEM gt sail windows) a little over a year ago trying to get them to restart production, when the entire process was explained to me by them (where they explained they would have to repair or remake most of their tooling which has degraded over the years, which is why they wont restart production, they want at least 1000 sets ordered to make it worth their time) they did not once mention any dipping process at all in the creation of these windows....

How much were they going to charge for the sets?

quote Originally posted by reinhart: How much were they going to charge for the sets?

i didn't bother to ask, seeing as how even if it were $50 - $100 a window that would be between $100,000 - $200,000 for 1000 sets...or were you planning on chipping in for those....

Since it's time for a bump, I'll tell everyone how much easier it is to remove the battery and tray without that pesky quarter window in the way. By golly, you can stick your head right in there and get down to business. LOL

Seriously, an update would be a nice thing.

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This is all great info! I have a repro set that looks pretty good, but no "dot matrix" pattern (argh, buyer beware). Is there any way anyone is aware of to "apply" that or reproduce it? I don't know exactly how its done on windows.

these windows have the dot matrix. And to whoever is thinking this is a Scam, i have SEEN, i have HELD these windows personally, this is in no way shape or form a scam. Loris to good of a person to do that.

And she has studied up and down the original creation process of these windows, and has explained it to me, very complicated, but not dipped in anything.